VTS Mafia VTS Mafia Night 3/Day 3

[shortkut]

What good does it do to say it outright? just KNOWING Zell missed it should be enough to suspect him, even if it was obvious, if the mafia missed it, you just outed me to them. publicly. bad cop could've taken a shot at me.

My outing you also got Alu thrown in the slammer, so am I guilty or not? I’m mafia but deliberately pointed out you stating Alu was mafia?

Dial your ego down a notch. You thought you were clever and subtle. You weren’t. Either you made it clear that Alu was mafia and you were gumshoe, or you didn’t make it clear and you need to poll the audience to see who else figured it out. You can’t have it both ways. Just relax and be Mr. Bigshot next game

 

[A Punched Face]

but it doesn't. all that admits is that you checked a number.

what's the players name thst you checked?

It doesn't to you. But you don't matter here.

 

[Cole]

i’ve seen enough

vote alu for guilty

the first reasonable thing I've seen all day!

but early for the vote though, don't you think?

 

[Benzine]

I investigated player number 10. Assuming we all know our own numbers, that should confirm with that person that I know their role.

We don’t.

 

[Local Hero]

I investigated player number 10. Assuming we all know our own numbers, that should confirm with that person that I know their role.

What's your number?

You tell me yours, I'll tell you mine

 

[A Punched Face]

We don’t.

Oh well. I'm not giving any names because anything I say will only be used against others in the court of law.

 

[Fire Queen]

the first reasonable thing I've seen all day!

but early for the vote though, don't you think?

his defense so far has felt more like a tongue-in-cheek concession than a passionate defense. i’ve got plans tomorrow so i wanted to make sure i got my vote in before everything washes away in a wave of shitposting

 

[Cole]

My outing you also got Alu thrown in the slammer, so am I guilty or not? I’m mafia but deliberately pointed out you stating Alu was mafia?

Dial your ego down a notch. You thought you were clever and subtle. You weren’t. Either you made it clear that Alu was mafia and you were gumshoe, or you didn’t make it clear and you need to poll the audience to see who else figured it out. You can’t have it both ways. Just relax and be Mr. Bigshot next game

MY ego? you're taking credit for having Alu arrested. there are 6 people that know Alu is the Consigliere. Vash, not talking. Me, talking. Alu, dead soon. and three other mobsters.

if you saw it that fast, you'd know it was true, and you (not theoretical you, but YOU SHORTKUT) would be the first in line to hop that train, sell Alu down the river because I've already exposed him anyway, and look like a genius for being the first one to tag along with me.

like I said though, either they all already knew, in which case saying it wasn't necessary (and also they didn't all know)

or no one but you knew, and you outed it for them.

this isn't even your GOOD strategy. this is like... F level shortkut stuff.

It doesn't to you. But you don't matter here.

no, but more than one person matters. and since no one's allowed to overtly role claim, they can't confirm it. and if they're not on your Jury, they don't matter.

I'm not worried about you convincing me, we both already know who you are.

but you need to convince a lot more than just one person.

 

[Cole]

Oh well. I'm not giving any names because anything I say will only be used against others in the court of law.

it's just so convenient.

 

[A Punched Face]

it's just so convenient.

I mean I don't get why you'd expect me to help you in any way. So no, it's not convenient. It's deliberate.

 

[Local Hero]

I investigated player number 10. Assuming we all know our own numbers, that should confirm with that person that I know their role.

I was hesitant to call this out* blatantly, but we aren't doing numbers this game mister liar liar pants on fire

 

[shortkut]

acknowledgement that they saw it.

as you said, you told Zell outright, and even he didn't see it.

Didn’t see it or chose not to acknowledge it to avoid getting his teammate arrested?

 

[A Punched Face]

I was hesitant to call this or blatantly, but we aren't doing numbers this game mister liar liar pants on fire

Yes we are. You just weren't told yours because apparently you don't have a role that can target people.

 

[Cole]

I mean I don't get why you'd expect me to help you in any way. So no, it's not convenient. It's deliberate.

its not about helping me. YOU'RE the one on the stand. ...well, the other stand, the one across the courtroom from me. *waves*

you need to convince at minimum 3 other people that you're innocent. your target can't say out themselves.

I was hesitant to call this or blatantly, but we aren't doing numbers this game mister liar liar pants on fire

yes we did. I got my number in my PM, i suspect because I had a night action, so i didn't target myself.

...is it possible people with no night actions didn't get their number?

 

[Local Hero]

Whelp

 

[Cole]

Didn’t see it or chose not to acknowledge it to avoid getting his teammate arrested?

its plausible. but the implications of him outright ignoring it are too big. YOU claim it was obvious, then YOU even doubled down on pointing it out to him.

Maybe he ignored it intentionally to take the focus off Alu, but my concern is who did the revealing at the moment.

 

[A Punched Face]

Whelp

Thanks for that confirmation

 

[Local Hero]

This means that Cole is gumshoe and Alu is a role that targets night people aka consigliere

 

[Local Hero]

This means that Cole is gumshoe and Alu is a role that targets night people aka consigliere

Or some other night action role

 

[Cole]

This means that Cole is gumshoe and Alu is a role that targets night people aka consigliere

this is true.

but Alus just going to claim it's the reverse.

which is a fair defense to make, lets be honest. he can do what I can do, so its easy to claim his reads as the Gumshoes.

its bullshit, and too little too late I think, but he's trying.

 

[A Punched Face]

you need to convince at minimum 3 other people that you're innocent. your target can't say out themselves.

That's not going to happen. So anything I say information wise won't be useful.

 

[shortkut]

MY ego? you're taking credit for having Alu arrested. there are 6 people that know Alu is the Consigliere. Vash, not talking. Me, talking. Alu, dead soon. and three other mobsters.

if you saw it that fast, you'd know it was true, and you (not theoretical you, but YOU SHORTKUT) would be the first in line to hop that train, sell Alu down the river because I've already exposed him anyway, and look like a genius for being the first one to tag along with me.

like I said though, either they all already knew, in which case saying it wasn't necessary (and also they didn't all know)

or no one but you knew, and you outed it for them.

this isn't even your GOOD strategy. this is like... F level shortkut stuff.

no, but more than one person matters. and since no one's allowed to overtly role claim, they can't confirm it. and if they're not on your Jury, they don't matter.

I'm not worried about you convincing me, we both already know who you are.

but you need to convince a lot more than just one person.

I’m not taking credit for it, I’m saying if I was mafia and your post was as subtle as you originally claimed, I would have ignored it and hoped no one else saw it and stopped bringing attention to it. There’s no strategy to it.

You didn’t think I was mafia yesterday, but your ego is so fragile that you are taking my assertion your post wasn’t as subtle or clever as you thought as a personal attack. We all saw what happened with TD when your attacks didn’t seem to match up with the game. For someone who is normally so levelheaded and makes specific decisions, when your ego is attacked, you start to make mistakes. You’re human. Accept it

 

[Cole]

That's not going to happen. So anything I say information wise won't be useful.

why isn't it going to happen?

 

[Tubby23]

It seems completely obvious, but vote not guilty for Cole

Will need to give more serious thought to tomorrow's trial target but I'm leaning towards Zell currently. Will do a re-read and be back with a vote.

 

[shortkut]

its plausible. but the implications of him outright ignoring it are too big. YOU claim it was obvious, then YOU even doubled down on pointing it out to him.

Maybe he ignored it intentionally to take the focus off Alu, but my concern is who did the revealing at the moment.

Again, you’re letting your ego take control. Take a break and think about this more rationally in a few hours. You only care that YOU got outed, not that it made Zell look more suspicious or that it got Alu arrested. You’re upset that you thought you were clever and you weren’t

 

[Cole]

I seem to be getting some rather quick not guiltys myself.

guess they believe me.

hey @Alu Capone

I want to understand your implication here.

so your defense is that we checked each other night 1. I saw you were the gumshoe, you saw I was the Consigliere. then, I quickly came up with a plan to hint claim Gumshoe and out you as Consig, beating you to claiming the opposite?

I *wish* I was as good as people keep giving me credit for.

someone told me in relation to this game, TD was hunting Zebras when he should've been looking for horses.

seems like a lot of people could use thst advice.

the simplest answer is commonly the answer.

 

[A Punched Face]

why isn't it going to happen?

It's well beyond that point now. You honestly need to see that.

 

[Cole]

Again, you’re letting your ego take control. Take a break and think about this more rationally in a few hours. You only care that YOU got outed, not that it made Zell look more suspicious or that it got Alu arrested. You’re upset that you thought you were clever and you weren’t

in what way did it get Alu arrested? be specific.

 

[Cole]

It's well beyond that point now. You honestly need to see that.

need to see what, spell it out for me.

 

[A Punched Face]

need to see what, spell it out for me.

You're right, no one is going to believe that you set up a frame job on me from before the game even started to out who I am on the second day of the game.

No one believes you're that good at this game.

 

[Cole]

I hope not.

but what do I need tosee?

 

[shortkut]

in what way did it get Alu arrested? be specific.

If no one noticed it, I brought attention to it and everyone saw you call Alu out.

If it was going to get Alu caught, then everyone including the mafia, was going to notice it and there is no reason to be upset I mentioned it first.

You can’t have it both ways. This really is a simple thing and you’re blowing it was out of proportion

 

[A Punched Face]

I hope not.

but what do I need tosee?

That I won't be able to convince people to not vote guilty on me. Sides were basically chosen before the end of the day yesterday.

 

[shortkut]

If no one noticed it, I brought attention to it and everyone saw you call Alu out.

If it was going to get Alu caught, then everyone including the mafia, was going to notice it and there is no reason to be upset I mentioned it first.

You can’t have it both ways. This really is a simple thing and you’re blowing it was out of proportion

Rephrasing

Scenario 1. Your post was super subtle and clever, no one was going to notice. I point it out, everyone sees it, everyone votes Alu.

Scenario 2 it was super clear and everyone noticed it, including the mafia, so the only bad thing about me saying it out loud was your ego got bruised

 

[Local Hero]

 

[shortkut]

@VashTheStampede vote count update please

 

[Local Hero]

@VashTheStampede vote count update please

@Tubby23 vote count update help please

 

[shortkut]

Vote local for funny guy

Vote zell for jail

Vote nothing for jury because I’m not on the jury

 

[Local Hero]

 

[A Punched Face]

For anyone not following along with how Cole likes to play, here are the notes:

Even when he knows the answer, or believes he knows how a person will answer, he'll play dumb and ask you to elaborate. He'll keep doing that until the person says something he can gather more information from. If you don't respond enough, he'll keep going.

We've seen people break under this and get frustrated to the point of actually getting angry about the game and end up saying too much.

Luckily for me, I:

• Already knew this
• Know Cole well enough that it doesn't bother me
• Prefer to post stupid gifs and pictures of food

 

[Local Hero]

For anyone not following along with how Cole likes to play, here are the notes:

Even when he knows the answer, or believes he knows how a person will answer, he'll play dumb and ask you to elaborate. He'll keep doing that until the person says something he can gather more information from. If you don't respond enough, he'll keep going.

We've seen people break under this and get frustrated to the point of actually getting angry about the game and end up saying too much.

Luckily for me, I:

• Already knew this
• Know Cole well enough that it doesn't bother me
• Prefer to post stupid gifs and pictures of food

 

[Tubby23]

It is refreshing that this hasn't devolved into a shouting match and more of a game of chess.
With Alu having one pawn being chased around by Coles entire board.

I have seen nothing to change my mind so I vote Zell for trial

 

[shortkut]

It is refreshing that this hasn't devolved into a shouting match and more of a game of chess.
With Alu having one pawn being chased around by Coles entire board.

I have seen nothing to change my mind so I vote Zell for trial

You’re not supposed to vote, you’re supposed to tally the votes. Didn’t you see @Local Hero ‘s post?

 

[Local Hero]

 

[A Punched Face]

It is refreshing that this hasn't devolved into a shouting match and more of a game of chess.
With Alu having one pawn being chased around by Coles entire board.

I have seen nothing to change my mind so I vote Zell for trial

Lol Cole won't get me shouting.

 

[shortkut]

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Cole]

Rephrasing

Scenario 1. Your post was super subtle and clever, no one was going to notice. I point it out, everyone sees it, everyone votes Alu.

Scenario 2 it was super clear and everyone noticed it, including the mafia, so the only bad thing about me saying it out loud was your ego got bruised

why would my ego get bruised on clues *I* put there to be found. you have to know it's a bad look to openly out people. even in Zells games where role claiming IS everything, when someone hints, people reference the hint without explaining it.

For anyone not following along with how Cole likes to play, here are the notes:

Even when he knows the answer, or believes he knows how a person will answer, he'll play dumb and ask you to elaborate. He'll keep doing that until the person says something he can gather more information from. If you don't respond enough, he'll keep going.

We've seen people break under this and get frustrated to the point of actually getting angry about the game and end up saying too much.

Luckily for me, I:

• Already knew this
• Know Cole well enough that it doesn't bother me
• Prefer to post stupid gifs and pictures of food

all a valid way I might choose to get answers.

but it doesn't change the fact that you need to have answers.

Lol Cole won't get me shouting.

wouldn't even want to.

 

[shortkut]

why would my ego get bruised on clues *I* put there to be found. you have to know it's a bad look to openly out people. even in Zells games where role claiming IS everything, when someone hints, people reference the hint without explaining it.

I never openly said your role early on, I just said you implicated someone

 

[shortkut]