VTS Mafia VTS Mafia Night 2/Day 2

[canadaguy]

You nearly earn my vote for the grammatical error

I said what I said

 

[canadaguy]

so now you're saying shortkut is The Don?  HIS mafia?

I'm saying maybe that's what TD is gonna say

 

[shortkut]

If I’m going to be a Don, can I be Don La Greca?

 

[canadaguy]

Oh I thought you said Dom

 

[Tubby23]

@TD is there an ETA on your suspicion list? Only asking due to the time difference and concious that I need to have a vote in by about 4am my time tonight but you will be asleep at some point too

 

[Local Hero]

Hi guys, I've been working all day. You know, family and all.

I don't think I'll have a chance to review everything so far. Could I get a cliff notes? Jury do anything?
TD still alive?

 

[TD]

Done cooking and eating. Just cleaning up then it's coming.

 

[Local Hero]

Done cooking and eating. Just cleaning up then it's coming.

What's coming? You're judgement? Last meal?

 

[Tubby23]

Hi guys, I've been working all day. You know, family and all.

I don't think I'll have a chance to review everything so far. Could I get a cliff notes? Jury do anything?
TD still alive?

Zell is the only juror to vote so far and he voted Not Guilty. TD very much alive and developing a sus list

Other cliff notes:

• Zell and Cole had another back and forth
• TD has stated a couple of roles he isn't but not the role that he is
• Singer Katherine L'Orange was killed

 

[Tubby23]

Sorry forgot to add I think the vote count for trial tomorrow is 3 Zell and 2 Cole

 

[Local Hero]

Other cliff notes:

• Zell and Cole had another back and forth

I thought about adding to the list:
"Anyone else hate each other"

But I thought it would be less than helpful. I appreciate you adding it to your cliff notes anyways

 

[Cole]

Hi guys, I've been working all day. You know, family and all.

I don't think I'll have a chance to review everything so far. Could I get a cliff notes? Jury do anything?
TD still alive?

Zell is either evil or really awful at being good.

I'm suspicious because I made a clearly sarcastic role claim about being mafia.

TD has names.

 

[Tubby23]

I think it's just a couple of strong-willed individuals. Unless I am completely missing something.

 

[Tubby23]

@TD will your names be in table format?

 

[Cole]

I think it's just a couple of strong-willed individuals. Unless I am completely missing something.

indomitable one might say

 

[shortkut]

Zell is either evil or really awful at being good.

The FR playbook

 

[Tubby23]

I just don't get voting so quick before we have received any real information as jurors

 

[shortkut]

I just don't get voting so quick before we have received any real information as jurors

Zell said he won’t be back on in time to vote at the end and needs to vote because it is mandatory.

I know how I plan on voting but I’m waiting to see if more info comes to light since those votes can’t be changed

 

[TD]

Rating system (1-10):
1 - not looking to guilty
10 - looking guilty af

Cole, 3.5/10
He's a hard read this game and is playing like I haven't seen. He's not on the hunt like I've seen him on the town, he's not trying to cause chaos like I've seen him as a wolf. His theories and strategies are something I don't agree with, but he's at least providing a more solid reasoning than most. I'm more inclined to say he's a good guy.

shortkut, 6.5/10
Is playing way too cautious from what I've seen. When he's a member of the town he's not afraid to call for someone's head if someone is acting sus. Last game I watched Cole out him on Day 1 after kut was a bit too aggressive. His passive mood strikes me as trying to not get called out too early again.

canadaguy, 4.5/10
Hard to get much a read as hasn't said a whole lot yet, but there's also not a whole lot of info out there. When I hinted I would shoot someone, he wanted me to do it which I found interesting, not notable, just interesting. Barely good in my books right now.

Alu, 7/10
He's not contributing. He's a candidate to try to frame Cole. I'm admittedly having the toughest time reading him than I ever have before and it tells me he has something to hide. Dirty cop candidate? Maybe. Hard to pick sides when you're solo unless seered.

Zell, 7/10
I provided details on this earlier. I think he's highly suspicious but I don't necessarily think he is mafia. Why? It feels too fucking obvious at this point. The only game I've played with him, he was quiet and offed that night. I imagine he's decent at these games from hosting so many. So while I have him at a 7 for suspicion alone, there are many others I'd pursue first. This could easily be on the other end if you want to call it too obvious.

Local Hero, 4/10
He's been involved a bit but isn't doing anything to stand out. He wasn't shy about making sure a trial happened and trials help the town.

Fire Queen, 6/10
I think had one post yesterday and hasn't posted today. Not much evidence but uber quiet people are naturally suspicious to me so they get 6s.

Ants, 6/10
See Fire Queen reasoning, except a few more posts but nothing of substance. A bit more unusual.

Tubby, 9.5/10
If I walk out of here with a gun, he dies tonight. His post yesterday breaking down people seemed insanely suspicious. Not only has he never done that, but he didn't say anything of note. What was more of note is what he didn't say. He missed key things that happened that those 5 did and came to conclusions one wouldn't reasonably come to from reading through what happened in my opinion. He comes across as knowing way more than what he is saying with the way things were broken down. You know who knows who all the citizens are? The fucking mafia.

Benzine, 6/10
See FQ/Ants. Not necessarily suspicious because it's par for the course with him but it's my inactive grade.

Joseph Snapple, 4/10
Hard to read as really only posted with questions and seemed overwhelmed yesterday. That's fair, hasn't played one of these in a long time and there is a ton to read. Could be guilty but I just get innocent vibes.

Bonus Round??
Jawneh??, 7/10
He posted yesterday. He voted yesterday. I don't see him on the player list and now I'm confused. The whole throwaway vote on Benzine, not discussing the trial, the game, or what's happening. This one is more gut than anything but it's a gut feeling that's gnawing at me.

 

[TD]

 

[VashTheStampede]

Arrest Tally (5 needed):

Zell (3) - shortkut, Cole, Tubby
Cole (2) - Zell, canadaguy

~~~~~

Jury Verdict (Majority Rules)

Not Guilty (1) - Zell

Not voted: shortkut, Joseph Snapple, Ants, Tubby

 

[TD]

Vigilante thoughts.

Most likely:
- They are playing cautious
- It was Smacktard or Tommy

Possible I guess:
- We didn't get one
- They went after Kat, The Don, or me (lol)

Technically a possibility:
- It's TD

 

[shortkut]

shortkut, 6.5/10
Is playing way too cautious from what I've seen. When he's a member of the town he's not afraid to call for someone's head if someone is acting sus. Last game I watched Cole out him on Day 1 after kut was a bit too aggressive. His passive mood strikes me as trying to not get called out too early again.

Have you ignored me calling for Zell’s heads for the past two days?

Question for @TD what made my interactions with zell being cautious? Normally I agree that someone needs to die day 1 but I rarely have a specific individual I latch on to. I was leaning towards a not guilty vote, but the way you seem to be ignoring my pointing out zell being suspicious makes me think you two are in cahoots. Is the mafia lawyer going to spring you from jail?

 

[VashTheStampede]

There is absolutely zero way I would do something as massively fucked up as leaving @Jawneh off the player list.

There is even less of a chance that I would go back and edit him into the player list and act like I never fucked up and left @Jawneh off the player list.

If I were to do something like that, I'd probably tag @Jawneh like three times so he could see my apology.

(But it does not affect the game as he is properly listed in all my offline materials and had been included in all randomization...except the first night targeting. Lucky guy, might have dodged literal bullets. If he has a role, he knows what it is.)

 

[VashTheStampede]

(Should probably figure out a way to sync my phone notes with my PC notes)

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Local Hero]

Rating system (1-10):
1 - not looking to guilty
10 - looking guilty af

Cole, 3.5/10
He's a hard read this game and is playing like I haven't seen. He's not on the hunt like I've seen him on the town, he's not trying to cause chaos like I've seen him as a wolf. His theories and strategies are something I don't agree with, but he's at least providing a more solid reasoning than most. I'm more inclined to say he's a good guy.

shortkut, 6.5/10
Is playing way too cautious from what I've seen. When he's a member of the town he's not afraid to call for someone's head if someone is acting sus. Last game I watched Cole out him on Day 1 after kut was a bit too aggressive. His passive mood strikes me as trying to not get called out too early again.

canadaguy, 4.5/10
Hard to get much a read as hasn't said a whole lot yet, but there's also not a whole lot of info out there. When I hinted I would shoot someone, he wanted me to do it which I found interesting, not notable, just interesting. Barely good in my books right now.

Alu, 7/10
He's not contributing. He's a candidate to try to frame Cole. I'm admittedly having the toughest time reading him than I ever have before and it tells me he has something to hide. Dirty cop candidate? Maybe. Hard to pick sides when you're solo unless seered.

Zell, 7/10
I provided details on this earlier. I think he's highly suspicious but I don't necessarily think he is mafia. Why? It feels too fucking obvious at this point. The only game I've played with him, he was quiet and offed that night. I imagine he's decent at these games from hosting so many. So while I have him at a 7 for suspicion alone, there are many others I'd pursue first. This could easily be on the other end if you want to call it too obvious.

Local Hero, 4/10
He's been involved a bit but isn't doing anything to stand out. He wasn't shy about making sure a trial happened and trials help the town.

Fire Queen, 6/10
I think had one post yesterday and hasn't posted today. Not much evidence but uber quiet people are naturally suspicious to me so they get 6s.

Ants, 6/10
See Fire Queen reasoning, except a few more posts but nothing of substance. A bit more unusual.

Tubby, 9.5/10
If I walk out of here with a gun, he dies tonight. His post yesterday breaking down people seemed insanely suspicious. Not only has he never done that, but he didn't say anything of note. What was more of note is what he didn't say. He missed key things that happened that those 5 did and came to conclusions one wouldn't reasonably come to from reading through what happened in my opinion. He comes across as knowing way more than what he is saying with the way things were broken down. You know who knows who all the citizens are? The fucking mafia.

Benzine, 6/10
See FQ/Ants. Not necessarily suspicious because it's par for the course with him but it's my inactive grade.

Joseph Snapple, 4/10
Hard to read as really only posted with questions and seemed overwhelmed yesterday. That's fair, hasn't played one of these in a long time and there is a ton to read. Could be guilty but I just get innocent vibes.

Bonus Round??
Jawneh??, 7/10
He posted yesterday. He voted yesterday. I don't see him on the player list and now I'm confused. The whole throwaway vote on Benzine, not discussing the trial, the game, or what's happening. This one is more gut than anything but it's a gut feeling that's gnawing at me.

The fact that I am low on TDs List of Suspicion™ gives this list credibility.

If I can vote to arrest someone, I vote Tubby23

 

[TD]

Have you ignored me calling for Zell’s heads for the past two days?

To say you were calling for his head would be an over exaggeration. Did you vote for him, then a double vote, go to ants, then go back? Yeah. I wouldn't call that calling for his head. Cole going after him? Yeah.

Question for @TD what made my interactions with zell being cautious? Normally I agree that someone needs to die day 1 but I rarely have a specific individual I latch on to. I was leaning towards a not guilty vote, but the way you seem to be ignoring my pointing out zell being suspicious makes me think you two are in cahoots. Is the mafia lawyer going to spring you from jail?

You seemed to really dial back how much you were saying, that's my perspective anyhow. I've seen you way more aggressive and suggestive of strategies than that. Outside actually voting for him, you didn't really go after him hard. Today you've ramped it up but admittedly he looks VERY SUS today (which is why I said too obvious). Cole led it against Zell, not you.

It would be pretty neat if the mafia lawyer did spring me, but I'm not worth it for anyone to bail me out.

 

[TD]

@VashTheStampede
If I survive my trial does my arrest vote count?

 

[VashTheStampede]

@VashTheStampede
If I survive my trial does my arrest vote count?

Aye. Won't strip you of your civil rights for a false accusation.

 

[shortkut]

Did you vote for him, then a double vote, go to ants, then go back?

I went to ants because he was feeling needy. All the posts were within 1 minute

 

[TD]

Aye. Won't strip you of your civil rights for a false accusation.

I vote for Tubby to be arrested.

 

[Cole]

who haven't we heard from today? someone do the leg work for me, I'm too lazy

 

[TD]

I went to ants because he was feeling needy. All the posts were within 1 minute

More or less my point was, you going after Zell was pretty much in voting patterns. Aside from telling me he likes pineapple on pizza, which admittedly is a killable offense.

 

[shortkut]

Aye. Won't strip you of your civil rights for a false accusation.

I thought you were from Florida?

 

[TD]

who haven't we heard from today? someone do the leg work for me, I'm too lazy

Benzine, Jawneh, Fire Queen, Joseph Snapple.

 

[shortkut]

More or less my point was, you going after Zell was pretty much in voting patterns. Aside from telling me he likes pineapple on pizza, which admittedly is a killable offense.

You’re entitled to your opinion, even if it’s wrong

 

[TD]

You’re entitled to your opinion, even if it’s wrong

To be fair, I do have 4 people rated higher than you.

 

[Cole]

Benzine, Jawneh, Fire Queen, Joseph Snapple.

there's gotta be more. it feels like it's been 4 people today

 

[shortkut]

To be fair, I do have 4 people rated higher than you.

 

[Cole]

so about this Zell trial. can we get back on track now and not over focusing on the list of a locked up loud mouth?!

 

[shortkut]

so about this Zell trial. can we get back on track now and not over focusing on the list of a locked up loud mouth?!

I don’t think the loudmouth is a role this game

 

[TD]

there's gotta be more. it feels like it's been 4 people today

4 of us have been the most vocal. The 4 I listed haven't posted at all, the others have posted but not a lot.

 

[TD]

 

[Tubby23]

Tubby, 9.5/10
If I walk out of here with a gun, he dies tonight. His post yesterday breaking down people seemed insanely suspicious. Not only has he never done that, but he didn't say anything of note. What was more of note is what he didn't say. He missed key things that happened that those 5 did and came to conclusions one wouldn't reasonably come to from reading through what happened in my opinion. He comes across as knowing way more than what he is saying with the way things were broken down. You know who knows who all the citizens are? The fucking mafia.

Wow where to begin, I'm not surprised to be honest as soon as I voted to see you on trial I know you'd be after me the next day and yet I still went with it because we need a trial every day and you were the person that seemed we'd gained the most from hearing from. I have previously posted trying to break down my suspicions of people, I will admit that yesterdays was a much more formatted and focused post because I am finally using a PC to play the game rather than only playing on my phone. Additionally, what would be the point of playing if I didn't improve (hopefully) or try to be more involved in the fun.

I don't think I missed anything key, certainly I didn't post absolutely every single one of my thoughts and that's for a few reasons. Firstly, posting every one of my suspicions and happening to be right may lead to me being a target. Secondly, I'm always aware that people who talk too much are usually hiding something so try to keep the desire to over-analyse and discuss everything in check and finally I don't think everyone really wants slabs of my internal monologue when we have a trial etc to focus on

Now potentially I got my read on you wrong as a hangover from our previous interaction in the FQ game where we were both good but after each other (fun times). And that's what I had thought on sleeping on it overnight plus reading the start of today's thread. If you had asked me an hour ago for my vote it would have been not guilty but then you have posted a list with inconsistent logic (all inactives get a 6, but not JS because he might be confused; LH is good because he pushed for a trial but Tubby isn't because he pushed for a trial but picked me as a target) seems odd what you will allow for some and not for others when you want to shift the heat away.

Back to my first point. It's certainly been informative having you on trial.

 

[shortkut]

Wow where to begin, I'm not surprised to be honest as soon as I voted to see you on trial I know you'd be after me the next day and yet I still went with it because we need a trial every day and you were the person that seemed we'd gained the most from hearing from. I have previously posted trying to break down my suspicions of people, I will admit that yesterdays was a much more formatted and focused post because I am finally using a PC to play the game rather than only playing on my phone. Additionally, what would be the point of playing if I didn't improve (hopefully) or try to be more involved in the fun.

I don't think I missed anything key, certainly I didn't post absolutely every single one of my thoughts and that's for a few reasons. Firstly, posting every one of my suspicions and happening to be right may lead to me being a target. Secondly, I'm always aware that people who talk too much are usually hiding something so try to keep the desire to over-analyse and discuss everything in check and finally I don't think everyone really wants slabs of my internal monologue when we have a trial etc to focus on

Now potentially I got my read on you wrong as a hangover from our previous interaction in the FQ game where we were both good but after each other (fun times). And that's what I had thought on sleeping on it overnight plus reading the start of today's thread. If you had asked me an hour ago for my vote it would have been not guilty but then you have posted a list with inconsistent logic (all inactives get a 6, but not JS because he might be confused; LH is good because he pushed for a trial but Tubby isn't because he pushed for a trial but picked me as a target) seems odd what you will allow for some and not for others when you want to shift the heat away.

Back to my first point. It's certainly been informative having you on trial.

fuck, now I have to read an essay? You’re not doing yourself any favors on the suspicion front

 

[Cole]

Back to my first point. It's certainly been informative having you on trial.

haaaaas it though? we've learned nothing new, like absolutely nothing, except for the suspicions of someone we can't verify. maybe the people he has high are his co wolves and he's trying to help them fly low if TD gets executed.

 

[TD]

Wow where to begin, I'm not surprised to be honest as soon as I voted to see you on trial I know you'd be after me the next day and yet I still went with it because we need a trial every day and you were the person that seemed we'd gained the most from hearing from. I have previously posted trying to break down my suspicions of people, I will admit that yesterdays was a much more formatted and focused post because I am finally using a PC to play the game rather than only playing on my phone. Additionally, what would be the point of playing if I didn't improve (hopefully) or try to be more involved in the fun.

I don't think I missed anything key, certainly I didn't post absolutely every single one of my thoughts and that's for a few reasons. Firstly, posting every one of my suspicions and happening to be right may lead to me being a target. Secondly, I'm always aware that people who talk too much are usually hiding something so try to keep the desire to over-analyse and discuss everything in check and finally I don't think everyone really wants slabs of my internal monologue when we have a trial etc to focus on

Now potentially I got my read on you wrong as a hangover from our previous interaction in the FQ game where we were both good but after each other (fun times). And that's what I had thought on sleeping on it overnight plus reading the start of today's thread. If you had asked me an hour ago for my vote it would have been not guilty but then you have posted a list with inconsistent logic (all inactives get a 6, but not JS because he might be confused; LH is good because he pushed for a trial but Tubby isn't because he pushed for a trial but picked me as a target) seems odd what you will allow for some and not for others when you want to shift the heat away.

Back to my first point. It's certainly been informative having you on trial.

Just kidding, place your guilty vote mobster. It won't do your proposed innocence any favours.

 

[Tubby23]

haaaaas it though? we've learned nothing new, like absolutely nothing, except for the suspicions of someone we can't verify. maybe the people he has high are his co wolves and he's trying to help them fly low if TD gets executed.

It's not just him that the information is coming from, the interactions around him are probably more informative. That said I learnt from his post

 

[Cole]

I'm confused by your certainty. can you elaborate?