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VTS Mafia The Morgue (Game 1)

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Yeah, I told him. I figured he needed to know his actions have repercussions.
But I cleaned it
So uh. Funny story.

The mafia is killing Cole tonight. And shortkut (the Cleaner) apparently got all cocky and bragged to Cole about it. Even blabbed who all the other mobsters are.

But there's a Dirty Cop and if he arrests Cole, then Cole lives. With all that knowledge.
Cole and I were talking prior to that night phase. Even after everything, he wasn’t thinking I was mafia. We had both forgotten he could be saved at the time we were talking. I thought it had to be done in the day and because the day phase was over I thought his fate was sealed. It’s all my fault for not reading the roles carefully
It looks like Cole isn't (or at least not yet) outing the whole mafia based on the kut thing.

Gotta say I applaud his sportsmanship.
He really didn’t want to ruin vash’s game. He wasn’t talking to me to try to get roles, at that point in the conversation, we both thought he was officially dead. Once he found out, he came to me and asked if I wanted him to bow out of the game because he had an unfair advantage. He also had every other role known because people PMed him. We decided he would play using only knowledge in the thread, not what was PMed. It’s why he voted for Zell; he only knew zell was innocent because I confirmed he wasn’t mafia
Yeah but usually those sources wouldn't be someone jumping the gun and just spilling all the beans like that. If kut decided to out himself that's one thing, but the whole team? Man.

Need to wait until things are official.
I forgot he could be saved at night
I'm assuming he just completely forgot the cops were a possibility.

Byproduct of me not being upfront about which roles are definitively being used. Did not expect that as a consequence.
I forgot the dirty cop could jail at night
 

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Appreciate the insight kut. Do your partners in crime know or did you leave them in the dark so they could try to play it out?
I didn’t tell the other mafia members because I didn’t want anyone to change how they played. I was saving it for the postgame. If Cole could honorably play to avoid altering the game, I could as well.
 

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Good on the both of you for trying to ensure others didn't have their game ruined - it's gotta be kinda hard playing knowing what you know at that point and not letting that explicitly leak into the game.
 

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But that's still my point, gotta wait until it's official. It's easy to forget things like that, so it's always better to be safe about it.
Yeah, I was at work and wasn’t thinking. I thought it was locked in. I take full responsibility for this fuck up even though Cole kept telling me it wasn’t entirely my fault
 

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so the night before I died, actually before I even confirmed with Vash we could talk outside the thread, I messaged shortkut to lament that the game felt unwinnable as town.

there was no specific game communication, we were just talking about the format.

after the night ended, two things immediately happened.

Zell messaged me and asked to talk about the game, we did, and I didn't fully believe him, but he told me he was a normal civi.

I messaged shortkut saying "Vash said it's okay if we talk, what's your role"

kut told me he was the cleaner and that I would be dying that evening. shortkut had completely forgotten about the cops, but so did I. he made an honest mistake, and he feels bad about it.

after I talked to shortkut is when I messgaed Alu, I told him I knew, and we all laughed at me being dead.

sometime after that, I was rereading the rules, and realized there was potentially a cop still in play, and if I was jailed I would survive.

I began reaching out to people. I reached out to MANY people. people were too honest and trusted me too much, but I found all 3 other townies with roles, and I found the bad cop.

the bad cop informed me they were ALREADY at least considering protecting me. but I offered an exchange, protect me that night, and I will either seer them or NOT seer them at their choice. (if I didn't seer them, they would become fair game for me to lynch in game).

at this point I had a huge web of information.

I messaged Vash and informed him what was happening, what I had "done", he wasn't mad, he understood it was "within the rules" but he was worried it might ruin the game.

around this time, I started feeling a little anxious and was worried about the information shortkut had mistakenly given me.

I messaged him with a proposal after I talked to Vash.

shortkut could ask me to stay dead, Vash would let related roles choose new actions if they were affected, and I'd just die.

alternatively, he could let me stay in the game, let it play out, and I wouldn't use what I knew to directly influence my decisions. I wouldn't use the vigilante to just take them all out, instead I would only try to get them lynched. and I would do it ONLY within the confines of the game.

after shortkut and I had talked, we both agreed our primary goal was not ruining Vashs game and not souring this experience for anyone. I went to Vash with the deal, and gave him final authorization. if he would rather I left the game, he can let people rechoose if necessary and I just die.

but if he wanted to proceed, I told him I believed shortkut and I could "make it look good"

before talking to shortkut, I was still suspicious of Zell, so I continued that suspicion. Tubby had been loosely on my radar since day 1, and FQs snap guilty vote of me looked REALLY guilty in my eyes.

at the time, shortkut was one of my three biggest suspects. the only thing my conversation really did, is I agreed with shortkut that if I stayed in the game, he and I could battle it out. see if I can get shortkut killed WITHOUT saying "I investigated him" or anything of the sort.

meanwhile, I made an arrangement with the vigilante with the consent of shortkut.

I WOULD NOT tell the vigilante who to kill. instead, that person could make their own choice, ask me, and I would basically give them ONE do over. if they said "I wanna target (the judge)" I would have said no, and they could then either choose not to kill, or could submit a DIFFERENT name to Vash without sending it through me first.

shortly and I agreed that I didn't do anything "wrong" per say, that I stretched a rule extremely far, and shortkut "made a mistake", I didn't wanna ruin Vashs game, and just giving the vigilante the list would have done that. this was the most fair solution I could come up with.

I also ended up effectively making the same arrangement with the bad cop.

(ironically the bad cop wanted to target the vigilante, and I did wave that one off, as the vigilante was vital to my plan, and he landed on fire queen instead, much to my chagrin because I had a suspicion FQ couldn't be killed.)

the vigilante chose shortkut, I responded "I have not investigated him, but he's not vital to my plans" and he submitted it.

I want you guys to know, I tried VERY VERY hard to only use information from the game for my suspects. obviously I used the information I had from OTHER sources, but I think that part is well within the rules.

I acknowledge that I may have stretched a rule a little too far, and for that I apologize. I like finding loopholes, I like taking rules to their limit, and I may have gone too far.

if people want to see me not in these games at all or for a while, that is perfectly fine.

but this is not on Vash, and it's not on shortkut.

shortkut made an HONEST mistake, he forgot there was a chance I could be saved, and he trusted that I wouldn't reveal any information once I was dead.

Vashs game is awesome, and it's gonna be even better when you guys see the full picture. he did nothing wrong, he didn't want to interfere, and he let shortkut and I effectively decide how to proceed.

please don't be soured on Vashs game for this, this is not on him.

I truly did try to not let what shortkut told me be the only reason I went after people. as I think Alu pointed out, it's suspicion post named all of them, but I included Zell since "normal game Cole" would have still been suspicious. I included two others who I obviously knew were telling the truth, but to not be completely overt.

I lied about the potential for their being a good cop in hopes the mob would second guess killing me.

I apologize if any one feels the game was ruined by this, and if so, I encourage you to hold it against me and ONLY me.

if anyone has any questions, feel free.
 

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respectfully. you looked so guilty to me, and you were being as loud as I was, that I focused on you first.
Honestly - the only reason I went after you is because no one else would've talked back or fought with me. I was high and bored late at night when I started that whole thing. I thought it'd get people talking, but again - only kut and Tubby entertained anything.
 

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I will say, the fact that this snafu happened between Cole and kut, and that I was the only other active player who knew, is probably the best case scenario for something like this happening. Each of us knew that Cole wasn't just going to out and claim victory immediately because it wouldn't be as fun for him.

It did kind of make me less want to change my strategy going into the trial though. I was ready to play it knowing Cole was dead. Then when he was alive and aware of the rest of the team, I felt like I'd rather just post meaningless stuff and have fun with it. It was hard to not lose all motivation, but I felt it would be ab disservice to just not post at all.
 

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That and honestly his Day 1 post, he made it seem like he was connected with you and Alu - at least in my mind.
Also yeah. I posted in mafia chat that it's best to not switch up your strategy so dramatically if you're not known for it. Eventually it'll help as you improve in the game, but at first (especially against poker players) it's a tell.
 
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I felt like I'd rather just post meaningless stuff and have fun with it.
Reading this brings me joy. At the end of the day, this still just a game and we should have fun with it.

It's okay to be wrong and shit (none of us are 100% accurate), but just have fun doing it if you're gonna be wrong. I feel like a lot of people are worried about being wrong and how it'll be perceived.
 

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I had forgotten I told you shortkut had told me. but I don't think me knowing had any factor in you dying. I don't even think my information web had any influence.

I think you died only because I seered you.

if you had committed to the counter play of YOU gumshoe, me consig, and outed your seer checks, I think you at least had a fighting shot in your trial, and it would've been AMAZING if you pulled it off.

I apologize if you feel slighted by the way things went down, but sooner or later they'd know I was telling the truth and you'd die anyway.
 

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Also unrelated to this, I had a thought on Monopoly Mafia this morning:

The game will either have Mr Monopoly or The Chances.

The Chances are twins, one good and one evil. They know who eachother are, but no one else does. The good one can only be killed by the mob, the evil one only by the jury. Once per game they can jail someone. If they're both alive they win as a team, if one dies the other officially becomes aligned with their good/evil counterparts and can win with them. The evil one won't officially join mafia chat.

Something like that.
 

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I'll say this though.. FQ was on Alu's trial, not yours. lol
sorry. was rushing as stated, trying to catch the train.

I know it was Alus trial, and it still looks really suspicious for him to snap a guilty vote. he would have had to be gumshoe or in the mob to know I was telling the truth. it's a super fishy move.
 
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I might take a break regardless, it's hard to play when I keep being such a prime target. I almost wish I could play anonymously.
Make an alt and don't post as aggressively.

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