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Premier League 2023/24 Thread
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Posting this here for the time being, and y'all are gonna facepalm hard. Look who's reared its ugly head again. 
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It's been almost 4 years with this shit. Fucking ridiculous.
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Given that we're back, that was a hell of United-Liverpool game. All of those pundits predicting an easy Liverpool win have obviously forgotten both that form simply doesn't matter in those games, and that the same United team having a terrible season managed to derail out title race and put us out of the FA Cup in the space of two weeks back in March. But we still have a decent lead and haven't lost any ground, so I will take that.
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So, uh...Wrexham got promoted again. From what I've read, it's the first ever time a club was promoted 3 times in as many years.
I think the consensus in here was that this would be about the cap for them unless some drastic changes happened. I don't think they'll make it 4 years in a row, but it's certainly crazy seeing this happen.
I think the consensus in here was that this would be about the cap for them unless some drastic changes happened. I don't think they'll make it 4 years in a row, but it's certainly crazy seeing this happen.
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I'd bet against it, and it's the biggest jump of all. Even this season they're still well behind the Tom Brady powered Birmingham City, and they were crap when they were relegated from the Championship last season. But even if it didn't happen next season the idea of promotion in the near future wouldn't be that crazy.
They unveiled their 2023/24 financials recently and their revenue was above the Championship average, excluding the parachute payments teams relegated from the PL get. Bear in mind that was for last season when they were still in League Two, so two divisions below the Championship. They'll almost certainly have the financial firepower to compete, but the trouble is they're now facing other teams with ambitious rich owners because the PL prize is so much bigger.
They unveiled their 2023/24 financials recently and their revenue was above the Championship average, excluding the parachute payments teams relegated from the PL get. Bear in mind that was for last season when they were still in League Two, so two divisions below the Championship. They'll almost certainly have the financial firepower to compete, but the trouble is they're now facing other teams with ambitious rich owners because the PL prize is so much bigger.
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Stok ain't got nothing on my Toughsheets!
As for Wrexham, unless Ryan Reynolds is suddenly a secret billionaire that I'm not aware of, I really don't see them making the leap to the Prem. They're a Welsh community club, League One is realistically where their ceiling should have been, now they're overachieving, and good for them, but...that's it. The Brummies have the infrastructure and the money to back themselves up because they WERE a Prem club. So were Bolton if this Trafigura backing leads to the kind of funding being hinted at should the self-sabotage even stop...
...oh shit they really are my club...
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Birmingham's finances these days are all from their billionaire American owners. If you don't get promoted back to the PL by the time your parachute payments end (currently 2 seasons or 3 if you were in the PL for more than one season) then the financial advantage is basically gone. Maybe things like the stadium and training ground help, although Birmingham are planning to replace both of those at great expense anyway. But as you know with Bolton that's no guarantee.
Wrexham really aren't a community club financially speaking. They had £13.2m of commercial revenue as a League One team - that is basically unheard of, and is all down to their global stature being far beyond any other rival team.
Wrexham really aren't a community club financially speaking. They had £13.2m of commercial revenue as a League One team - that is basically unheard of, and is all down to their global stature being far beyond any other rival team.
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Wrexham seems to be their own special case that won't ever be repeated. They were turned into a global phenomenon out of nowhere.
Even if equally likeable people bought another team, if they try the same things it won't work as well because it's a "been there, done that" kind of thing.
It's fascinating, at the very least.
Even if equally likeable people bought another team, if they try the same things it won't work as well because it's a "been there, done that" kind of thing.
It's fascinating, at the very least.
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Well, I say community club as in that's where they were pre-Reynolds, and realistically where they probably will sink bank to post-Reynolds unless they get some massive investor. They're not setup to be a Prem club.
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Bolton hit that perfect spot where our owner decided to fuck off right as we got relegated, so we spent our perfect bounceback time not having the money to bounce back. But yes, if you don't take full advantage of that window, then you realistically can and will get stuck in the Championship/League One bubble, and there's no easy way out of it because it's a slog and all the while those clubs up there in the promised land of the Premier League get better and better off so that the clubs that do make it up have a harder time competing by the time they do get a shot.
I think the Brummies could do alright with their money and their infrastructure, but it's hard to say until they're actually there. They could go up and not claim a single point.
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Just saw a note that there are minority owners (10-15%) that are billionaires. Kaleen and Eric Allyn (father and daughter).
So they seem to have a bit more of financial backing than just Ryan and Rob.
If (BIG if) they do make the prem, it probably will take years, and might involve a cycle of being relegated and repromoted again.
So they seem to have a bit more of financial backing than just Ryan and Rob.
If (BIG if) they do make the prem, it probably will take years, and might involve a cycle of being relegated and repromoted again.
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As others have said, as much as three promotions in three years is unprecedented, the Championship is a different ball game, and is sometimes called the most competitive league in the world for a reason. It is brutally competitive, and you so often see former Premier League teams just slide mercilessly down the table and either fight against or actually get relegated, as Cardiff have done this season. Promotion isn't on the table for Wrexham, irrespective of how much money they spend. Staying up would be a phenomenal result.
In Premier League news, I am a Liverpool fan and I am happy. Don't think I need to say anymore than that, though it seems to be a consensus that we will need to strengthen significantly to challenge again, and I agree with that. Having bought basically no one last year, I expect a few decent signings this summer. Kerkez seems a near certainty and should be great as a Robertson replacement. Isak looks unobtainable, and I wouldn't be surprised if we sold Nunez and brought in a couple of central strikers, which we so desperately need. If Trent goes we need depth at RB with Bradley, could do with depth in midfield to cover for Gravenberch, and need to plan for Van Dijk and Salah leaving in a couple of years. So it feels weirdly transitional despite winning the league, but you'd struggle to find a Liverpool fan who isn't massively optimistic about it.
In Premier League news, I am a Liverpool fan and I am happy. Don't think I need to say anymore than that, though it seems to be a consensus that we will need to strengthen significantly to challenge again, and I agree with that. Having bought basically no one last year, I expect a few decent signings this summer. Kerkez seems a near certainty and should be great as a Robertson replacement. Isak looks unobtainable, and I wouldn't be surprised if we sold Nunez and brought in a couple of central strikers, which we so desperately need. If Trent goes we need depth at RB with Bradley, could do with depth in midfield to cover for Gravenberch, and need to plan for Van Dijk and Salah leaving in a couple of years. So it feels weirdly transitional despite winning the league, but you'd struggle to find a Liverpool fan who isn't massively optimistic about it.
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Could be worse - could be United celebrating a last-minute draw against 10-man Bournemouth in their worst PL season ever.
Meanwhile I'm prepared to get a lashing from PSG. I'm refusing to dream.
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I will admit that I am getting some pleasure from United's situation. The reality is that they are a very badly run club. A lot of their fans seem to think that they have some dormant ability to just become a competing team, but whilst they will always have some financial clout, they have no more right to that than any other club. It won't change until the team is run better, and I don't see Jim Radcliffe changing that.
You must not refuse to dream! Get invested and ride the wave. Personally I'm getting real Liverpool 2005 vibes about this Arsenal team. I really want you to go on and win it.
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Yeah I don't know how expected that was. It was most certainly expected that they would be relegated from the Premier League. They're just not a club set up for Premier League football, and have obviously been in the lower divisions relatively recently. The Championship is a really tough league though. It's not unusual to see recent Premier League teams relegated.
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Yeah I think you manifested the wrong Liverpool there my friend!
I didn't like my lack of optimism, but unfortunately our lack of scoring goals came to bite us again. We had a much higher xG than PSG over the tie. It's frustrating since a good striker is really what's keeping us from challenging Liverpool and beating teams like PSG. We have the best defense in the league but by league xG we are 21 expected goals short of Liverpool. Clone Salah and put him in our team and then you're talking, although I guess with his form that's obvious.
I am at least pleased we fought back at Anfield in a game where I could hardly blame the players for essentially giving up.
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Yeah, I was so disappointed for Arsenal, particularly with how dominant you were in the second game. But as you say, without scoring goals it's just not going to happen.
I'll watch the PSG Inter game as an interested neutral. I will watch the Europa and FA Cup Finals not as an interested neutral (the Manchester clubs leaving empty handed would be great), but they could both be very interested games.
I'll watch the PSG Inter game as an interested neutral. I will watch the Europa and FA Cup Finals not as an interested neutral (the Manchester clubs leaving empty handed would be great), but they could both be very interested games.
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Sounds like United. Useless and resting on their laurels.
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Manchester United reportedly set to undergo a fire sale following the team putting up its worst season in the Prem to date. What a bloody dumpster fire this organization is.
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Man United to face 10-man transfer fire sale after Amorim's brutal message
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Happy with the Wirtz news. My only slight hesitation is that it's not strictly a position of need, so I assume Diaz is going with Wirtz coming in.
A very good friend of mine is a Sunderland fan and was there. Safe to say he had a nice day.
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They need to sell underperformers, that's for sure. Garnacho is apparently on his way out too.Manchester United reportedly set to undergo a fire sale following the team putting up its worst season in the Prem to date. What a bloody dumpster fire this organization is.
Man United to face 10-man transfer fire sale after Amorim's brutal message
Manchester United transfer news and opinion as the harsh words from one United player present United with a transfer reality
That said, it's interesting to see how well United players who leave are doing. Antony doing well at Betis and McTominay getting the Serie A Player of the Season award. It's clearly a long way from a Liverpool tier squad but 16th?
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Rashford too.
In more recent news, there's been what looks like a very serious incident during the Liverpool trophy parade. I'm going to make a separate thread on it.
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Well done, United. Well. Done.
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I'm pretty sure a county school all star team could beat United at this point.
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I clicked on this thinking there's no way it can be real. Never mind the catering staff, Jim. I think you need to get rid of the entire PR team. I know the players have been bad, but it's within an awful eco system. That must have been utterly humiliating, as the entire tour is to be honest.
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