Ben Wolf Paranormal Post-Mortem

[dimmerwit]

... Unless you are really a wolf?

No, I just found it neat that he guessed an actual role.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Burger King used to have this "Rodeo Burger", that was pretty affordable and pretty good. It hat BBQ sauce and onion rings on it. I miss that one.

Fuck the McRibb with a cactus. Bring back the Rodeo Burger.

Burger King fucking sucks. There is no fast food restaurant I dislike more.

 

[Kat]

How did that even happen? I targeted Quartz and all of a sudden two people have a disease that aren't quartz.

You tried to kill me the first night too?!

 

[Ants!]

Burger King fucking sucks. There is no fast food restaurant I dislike more.

no u

 

[Christina]

Ok dimmerwit don't make me read what I missed. Just encase Benzine is the real killer or something weird. What's your real roll?

 

[dimmerwit]

The town had a very long losing streak recently. IMO role claiming isn't a death sentence for the evils unless they get very unlucky (which can go the other way too). It just means they need to lie convincingly and take risks to become seen as more proven.

I would say this is a game where the cryptids got quite unlucky with night one RNG.

I agree with this. As a wolf you just always need to have a role claim strategy planned out which is how you get around the inevitable role claiming. The town in turn should always seek to claim at some point.

But yeah, the evils got boned on night 1 here.

I was a wolf scribe a few games back, and the role description was wrong at that time. He actually let me pick a target whenever, which would explain why it's not on the night order list. I figured I'd ask you about it a bit more vaguely so you could answer without giving away whether there was a scribe or not (which I think you did fine).

This makes sense, but we were confused because the Trickster is also an any-time power but that is listed in the night action order list.

I think this might be the first time I've ever been lynched as a townie.

Correct, and in fact it's only your second one full stop.

 

[dimmerwit]

Burger King fucking sucks. There is no fast food restaurant I dislike more.

Ok dimmerwit don't make me read what I missed. Just encase Benzine is the real killer or something weird. What's your real roll?

I was the Collector which is Ben's name for the Forger.

 

[Christina]

I was the Collector which is Ben's name for the Forger.

Thank you! Though I assume Vash's death should be the last monster of the week.

 

[Ben]

Burger King fucking sucks. There is no fast food restaurant I dislike more.

Look, as long as no one is eating Chick-fil-A, I don't give a shit. If you are, I'll judge you.

I was the Collector which is Ben's name for the Forger.

I'm just trying to put a non-BBQ option in front of y'all.

Also, I had a landlord once who named his son 'Barbeque' . Not joking.

 

[Ants!]

I agree with this. As a wolf you just always need to have a role claim strategy planned out which is how you get around the inevitable role claiming. The town in turn should always seek to claim at some point.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Kat]

Agree to disagree.

I'd also happily play a game where role claiming is discouraged or more difficult. It's a different strategy and also fun IMO. A game where literally no one could completely prove themselves would be interesting.

 

[dimmerwit]

Agree to disagree.

Not trying to press the subject too much more, but the problem is that I don't see how the game can be played well otherwise. This time the town got really lucky right off the bat so it didn't matter, but ultimately the issue is that if someone pushes for a role claim and you stay silent it's just going to put suspicion on you.

I agree with Kat that a game without claiming would be interesting but it would require a completely different set of roles IMO.

 

[Christina]

I think the idea of being a target or not being able to do what your job is what is supposed to help with not roll claiming.

Fun fact, I only roll claimed because I thought the game was over. When I realized it wasn't, I thought I looked super guilty. I think having a strong roll is what saved me. I felt bad having to use the number of strong rolls because that is the thing I hate. I don't think it should be known how many of each roll. This makes people not just math it out and gives the bad guys a little space to hide.

 

[Ben]

Game over. Forum is open for everyone now.

@Benzine
@Local Hero
@shortkut
@TD
@VashTheStampede

 

[Ants!]

Not trying to press the subject too much more, but the problem is that I don't see how the game can be played well otherwise. This time the town got really lucky right off the bat so it didn't matter, but ultimately the issue is that if someone pushes for a role claim and you stay silent it's just going to put suspicion on you.

I agree with Kat that a game without claiming would be interesting but it would require a completely different set of roles IMO.

Just minimize the provable ones.

Role claiming is a legit way to play, but it gets wearing after a while. As a townie too, because sometimes it's too easy to narrow it down depending on what roles the RNG chose.

 

[Ants!]

Also, like FR said: just get yourself a reputation of not role claiming and it shouldn't as suspicious when someone presses you for a role claim.

 

[TD]

Thanks for hosting Ben. Loved the podcasts. Liked and subscribed.

 

[dimmerwit]

Also, like FR said: just get yourself a reputation of not role claiming and it shouldn't as suspicious when someone presses you for a role claim.

The problem is I end up thinking FR as guilty when he's not because of this.

 

[Ants!]

The problem is I end up thinking FR as guilty when he's not because of this.

I guess, but after the first one or two times killing him as a townie that never claimed then you might be more cautious about it in the future.

It's not a perfect strategy, but neither is making a false role claim that you can't back up.

 

[Ants!]

Awesome game, Ben. So fun! I'm glad I got to be a part of it. The renaming of roles and the podcasts were all great too.

lol produce mines

 

[Fool's Requiem]

The problem is I end up thinking FR as guilty when he's not because of this.

that's the point

 

[A Baby Maker]

You tried to kill me the first night too?!

Like I said, I have a degree in rocks.

 

[Benzine]

just lie guys

 

[dimmerwit]

that's the point

So you just die?

I'll send you a Whopper in heaven I guess!

 

[Fool's Requiem]

So you just die?

I'll send you a Whopper in heaven I guess!

nah, you're supposed to second guess my allegiance. Or fucking lynch me when I'm Avenger so I can do something.

The thing that is bugging me is that I keep getting killed early as a baddy via pure happenstance and random guesses.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

also whoppers are disgusting

the only edible one is the Angry Whopper because they use so many spicy ingredients to mask the rest of the shit

 

[Christina]

also whoppers are disgusting

the only edible one is the Angry Whopper because they use so many spicy ingredients to mask the rest of the shit

You are thinking of maltesers.

 

[shortkut]

.........

There's something I'm DYING to say here, but it'll have to wait until the game is over.

What is it?

It's always the right move to kill Kut

But I do my best work at the endgame

 

[shortkut]

@TD did you like the weapon I provided?

 

[Jon]

But I do my best work at the endgame

What's an... "end... game?"

 

[VashTheStampede]

I think having a strong roll is what saved me. I felt bad having to use the number of strong rolls because that is the thing I hate. I don't think it should be known how many of each roll. This makes people not just math it out and gives the bad guys a little space to hide.

Heh, i was having the exact same thoughts.

Like, for balance reasons the number of strong roles should definitely be in that ballpark...but there should be a chance that there is one fewer strong role, and the exact number shouldn't be known 100%.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Honestly I don't know wtf the last wolf is doing.

The plan was to make everyone think all the cryptids were dead and rely on the plague to thin the numbers.

Would have worked pretty great had the dude not gotten arrested, I think.

 

[Ants!]

What is it?

Oh yeah. I had a thought that since Quagmire was confirmed wolf seer when he died, it would be interesting if someone accused Kat of using his info to shore up a false seer role claim and think she could be a wolf. But thinking back on it now, it doesn't make much sense because I forgot the detail that she outed a wolf right out the gates.

I felt bad having to use the number of strong rolls because that is the thing I hate. I don't think it should be known how many of each roll. This makes people not just math it out and gives the bad guys a little space to hide.

Heh, i was having the exact same thoughts.

Like, for balance reasons the number of strong roles should definitely be in that ballpark...but there should be a chance that there is one fewer strong role, and the exact number shouldn't be known 100%.

I agree. Like in my game I didn't make it so that there was a specific number of strong roles versus regular roles, only that there could only be a max of one of each strong role. I think it helped. Knowing exactly how many strong roles there are makes it too easy to math it out.

The plan was to make everyone think all the cryptids were dead and rely on the plague to thin the numbers.

Would have worked pretty great had the dude not gotten arrested, I think.

Yeah I take back what I said. Back then I was like what the hell, Quagmire is about to die and he's still bandwagoning the other two wolves, knowing he's about to be doing this solo. But there was nothing you could do to save us without looking sus, instead you flew under the radar until the math became inescapable. Well done.

 

[Ants!]

And awesome job as scribe. I laughed hard when I read about dimmers death.

 

[TD]

@TD did you like the weapon I provided?

It was  magical.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I know this game was short as hell but it was still super rad thanks to Ben's efforts and I look forward to another go, when I am hopefully not sick and super busy.

 

[VashTheStampede]

QUARTZ

 

[Christina]

 

[Christina]

I will add one more thing. I dislike how the deadbody switch let's 1 person get a free I'm a townie pass because I'm claiming the switch. Kat did a great story thing with it. I was surprised she was killed over Vash because of it. But I think there needs to be a different way to do the deadbody so that nobody knows.

 

[TD]

But I think there needs to be a different way to do the deadbody so that nobody knows.

I could be making this up but for some reason I feel like Zell once said he gives the wolves their roles first and let's them choose who to kill, then gives out the rest of the roles so there's no weird role swap like that.

There's also the whole get to 16 players and/or don't have a "dead body".

 

[dimmerwit]

Yeah, he does the wolf kill first. I don't know with certainty if he only gives the other roles out after the swap but that makes a lot of sense thinking about it.

 

[Ben]

I agree with all of these suggestions for next time.

I've felt pretty bad that I probably threw it to some degree with that random but obvious Quartz word. I'm not sure if it's 100% possible to stop people latching onto the memeiest choice, but I could have done better ensuring they were all neutral.

I'd use the right priority list next time that clarifies the Infector for me, and I would make it only apply to direct views of an infected player, not some pandemic "anyone who becomes infected that night" bullshit.

I won't give the exact number of roles, especially if there are disinformation roles present. I think I was still salty from getting screwed over in DBZ thinking there was a SK and getting Fooled.

I'd give the wolves the chance to make their kill before anyone else got their role. That wouldn't have given Kat a free use of another power prior to death and she wouldn't have had to known.

I'll put the next one behind a paywall for Patreon subscribers only.

 

[dimmerwit]

I am obviously missing something with this quartz thing.

 

[TD]

I would also hazard against overcorrecting based on the results of one game.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the town has lost more games than they have won as of late; the town was even at a disadvantage numbers wise. If Local waters the wrong person or an evil isn't lynched Day 1, the outcome of this one becomes much more competitive and the town is at a disadvantage. Most of the evils stuck out like a sore thumb this game.

There was once a time in the early stages where the exact roles that existed were publicized as opposed to how we have it now, but it was changed to saying they're all random to help the evils. The way this game is structured already benefits evils. Role claiming is a valid part of the game, for townies to not claim their roles is detrimental to their own team, and the evils should always have a fake claim ready to go.

 

[Christina]

This picture just about captures it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Oh Ben, my dude, my posts about QUARTZ were just an absolute joke. You did nothing wrong there and I honestly think that was the best "pick a random person" we've had yet.

 

[VashTheStampede]

It was mostly about making Christina laugh as I'd randomly shout QUARTZ around the house

 

[Christina]

Imagine a duck saying the word. That's what I've gotten to hear the last few days.

QUARTZ

 

[dimmerwit]

Game	Result
Paranormal Prime Time	Town win (5-0)
Dragon Ball Wolf	Fool win
Ben Wulf 1	Town win (3-0)
Benzine Wolf 4	Wolves win (1-1)
Zell Wolf 21	Wolves win (2-3)
Kat Wolf	Wolves win (1-1)
Zell Wolf 20	Wolves win (1-1)
Benzine Wolf 3	Wolves win (2-2)

 

[Ben]

Imagine a duck saying the word. That's what I've gotten to hear the last few days.

QUARTZ

Honestly, it's been my head canon that Vash and yourself have been gathering around an old timey radio waiting for every new episode, so this is icing.