Kat’s Wolf Oh no

[Zell 17]

Well day 1 had a town save the evil because fun? Day 3 had 2 town not bother to vote for some reason which made it possible to not lynch an evil.

So it's actually pretty easy to play better than that. But yes it's been a weird streak of the evils winning of late.


Also are they going to kill you or are they going to turn the fan tonight? If they turn the fan then yeah you'll be around to try and make it an arsonist win.

Local told dimmerwit to douse me so I’d guess they kill someone else.

 

[Zell 17]

Day 1: Town cancels lynch
Day 3: 40% of the town calls in sick

we didn’t call in sick until day 4. And day 1 is really a one person error.

Another reason to keep the dimmerwit alive is I want to see how shortkut get handled. Although the wolves probably kill him tonight and he tags me.

 

[Jon]

I haven't read this yet, but it should be VERY clear who is evil at this point since the last second switch to me made that obvious... imo

Oh well, lol. I told them.

 

[Jawneh]

Local told dimmerwit to douse me so I’d guess they kill someone else.

The most logical one would be to kill cg. The only townie that doesn't really matter and everyone already gave him a pass thanks to... Tommy? I don't remember how it went. But yeah.

... unless the wolves decide something else.

Depending on who the arsonist decides to douse, there's a very possible way for the wolves to win currently.

 

[Jawneh]

I haven't read this yet, but it should be VERY clear who is evil at this point since the last second switch to me made that obvious... imo

Oh well, lol. I told them.

But who is which evil, and which wolves are there left?

 

[VashTheStampede]

I haven't read this yet, but it should be VERY clear who is evil at this point since the last second switch to me made that obvious... imo

Oh well, lol. I told them.

damn maybe should have voted for one of them

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Vash right now:

All in good fun, sir. No hate.

 

[Jon]

OMFG THAT WAS INFINITY WAR

HE LIED

HES A LIAR

Sorry. You're right. But that wasn't a lie, that was a mistake.

I might be taking a break

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

For the record, I don't have any issue with your gimmicks and I find it something to look forward to and a net positive for the games.

At least no matter your gimmick, you always seem to be playing your objective as well, as best you can within the parameters you set for yourself.

Then... why did you criticize me for playing my way as anti-town?

Glad I don't have to try to figure out how to balance this. I kinda don't like how if the SK makes it far enough that collusion seems to be come a reality. I wouldn't want to ban it, but there needs to be some kind of reduced incentive to do so somehow. But it also needs to not make it harder for the SK to win than it already is.

Agreed.

we didn’t call in sick until day 4. And day 1 is really a one person error.

It wasn't an error, is it really so fucking bad to you all that I played a way *I* wanted for a change?

But who is which evil, and which wolves are there left?

Does it matter? They know them.

damn maybe should have voted for one of them

I honestly didn't care in the end.

All in good fun, sir. No hate.

Except with me. He's been salty with me since day 1.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Sorry. You're right. But that wasn't a lie, that was a mistake.

Yeah, I know, it's jokes.

Then... why did you criticize me for playing my way as anti-town?

Because by your own words, you weren't playing the objective, you were playing to amuse yourself.

It wasn't an error, is it really so fucking bad to you all that I played a way *I* wanted for a change.

Because it's a team game and when your actions are solely to amuse yourself you are affecting the experience for other people.

I mean, I'm not saying you're not allowed to do that. But I'm allowed to be annoyed at my supposed teammate basically throwing because he "doesn't care".

 

[VashTheStampede]

And to be perfectly clear, I'm not telling anyone to change their ways or wanting to argue or anything.

Just pointing out a philosophical difference.

There are no legitimately hard feelings.

Its all good.

 

[Jawneh]

Does it matter? They know them.

Killing a wolf that has a usable power matters. Killing the arsonist before they light up the town matters. Killing an unconverted wwfan actually hurts the town as they count for the town before it.

I'm at the point of the game where my brain is starting to see the ways this game can end for everyone.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm at the point of the game where my brain is starting to see the ways this game can end for everyone.

 

[Jon]

Because by your own words, you weren't playing the objective, you were playing to amuse yourself.

How wasn't I playing the objective? I saved someone from a lynch on day one (when we 95% of the time, don't lynch anyway) and in the end did not impact the game. Add to that I enjoy watching Jawneh do his thing and the man is killed first or second each game. I know he doesn't mind, but I kind of took exception and said, meh, fuck it.

Because it's a team game and when your actions are solely to amuse yourself you are affecting the experience for other people.

That's a little extreme, don't you think? It's not like we knew 100% he was a wolf and I saved him. Yes, I did act for entertainment. And it didn't affect the game. And it certainly wasn't anti town. I also didn't wait till day 4 to do it an truly impact the game. I still participated. I still tried to identify wolves. I still tried to help the town.

I mean, I'm not saying you're not allowed to do that. But I'm allowed to be annoyed at my supposed teammate basically throwing because he "doesn't care".

You absolutely are, and I neither frown upon you nor disagree. But please don't make it sound like anything I did affected the game negatively. I was playing, and playing for the town. I had said I didn't vote... that was a mistake, I did vote for Ben. This day? I planned to, but I had my kid, lost track of time on the poll, and didn't. I died, and it SHOULD lead to the town knowing all the evils. They just need to figure out how to win.

So again, outside stopping Jawneh's lynch to keep him around for my entertainment and a chance for him to play the damn game, tell me how I was playing solely to my amusement and hurting the town? Because I don't think I did/was and it just bothers me that it's being insinuated I did?

Fwiw, I'm not mad or angry. A little annoyed and frustrated, sure, but please don't think this is me turning this into a blow up anger. I'm not.

 

[Jon]

Killing a wolf that has a usable power matters. Killing the arsonist before they light up the town matters. Killing an unconverted wwfan actually hurts the town as they count for the town before it.

Well, they should know there is an alpha with one hit left. I felt it was pretty clear dimmer was the arso. I called it out in my last post that Benzine was a wolf and felt Local was the fan.

We can't confirm with Kat if those assumptions are 100% accurate because Zell is alive, but if they put ANY credence in my words now that I'm proven what I said I was, it's a good place to start.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I AM angry.

I'm angry because the arsonist killed me and I only get to play in the dead thread.

 

[Jon]

I AM angry.

I'm angry because the arsonist killed me and I only get to play in the dead thread.

 

[Jawneh]

Well, they should know there is an alpha with one hit left. I felt it was pretty clear dimmer was the arso. I called it out in my last post that Benzine was a wolf and felt Local was the fan.

I was more talking about what the last wolf is. As Mr. Shadow Wolf "The Ritualist" Jawneh, I see a very powerful role they could be. Or your counter part in wolven form. Or a third freaking alpha wolf. We had a game with 3 shadow wolves already.

 

[Jawneh]

I AM angry.

I'm angry because the arsonist killed me and I only get to play in the dead thread.

You didn't even get to vote to lynch me.

I mean the lynch that actually killed me.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

You didn't even get to vote to lynch me.

I mean the lynch that actually killed me.

I would have voted you on day one, but shortkut once mentioned on a previous game that he thought me switching my day one vote on him to someone else was suspicious, so I've been trying to avoid that.

 

[Jawneh]

I would have voted you on day one, but shortkut once mentioned on a previous game that he thought me switching my day one vote on him to someone else was suspicious, so I've been trying to avoid that.

Dude, there's so many people who auto vote me now so it's perfectly fine lol.

It's like if I suddenly didn't vote Benzine day 1.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Dude, there's so many people who auto vote me now so it's perfectly fine lol.

It's like if I suddenly didn't vote Benzine day 1.

The funny thing is that I initially started to do it because my gut told me that he was bad in a few games early on. Then I used a "random" immediate vote on him to win as the Fool, and I've kinda stuck with voting him out of habit. I wasn't even initially trying to copy Ants. It just became it's own thing.

 

[VashTheStampede]

How wasn't I playing the objective? I saved someone from a lynch on day one (when we 95% of the time, don't lynch anyway) and in the end did not impact the game.

Well, by your words you did it because you were bored and also you didn't care if he turned out to be bad. I would argue that is not playing the objective. Plus, he may have provided more information to the wolves, like maybe who the arsonist is, so it definitely could have impacted the game.

Add to that I enjoy watching Jawneh do his thing and the man is killed first or second each game. I know he doesn't mind, but I kind of took exception and said, meh, fuck it.

I recall Jawneh lasted to the last day of the recent meme game and then won the following game but my memory could be failing me because admittedly it is not great.

I need dimmerwit killed so he can drop some stats.

But please don't make it sound like anything I did affected the game negatively. I was playing, and playing for the town. I had said I didn't vote... that was a mistake, I did vote for Ben. This day? I planned to, but I had my kid, lost track of time on the poll, and didn't.

Well, again, by your words in the game, you weren't planning on voting unless you felt you had to. So that further goes towards me feeling like you didn't care. Also that you just said a few minutes ago that you didn't care in the end.

If you say you were playing the objective, I believe you. Just trying to provide insight as to why I felt otherwise until your clarification.

I died, and it SHOULD lead to the town knowing all the evils. They just need to figure out how to win.

Don't see how that's possible at this point

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[Jawneh]

I recall Jawneh lasted to the last day of the recent meme game and then won the following game but my memory could be failing me because admittedly it is not great.

There's couple outlier games recently where I've lived for a while. The meme game where the blood god had a choke hold on me and foiled it, and the wolf game where I won with my furry friends. Other than that, I tend to be gone by day 3, but usually sooner.

... might just be the weird gimmicks lol.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Games don't usually last much longer than day 3 but I see your point

Still want dimmerwit dead though

For the stats

Yes the stats

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I just want to say that if you guys take a break, that it's not for long.

 

[VashTheStampede]

There's one thing I still don't understand

Why did they name it grapefruit if there was already a fruit named grape???

 

[Jawneh]

Pineapple is neither pine nor apple.


English is just weird.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Its better than both though

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ever had pineberries?

They're pale pink strawberries that taste like a lot like pineapple.

I love them so much

 

[A Punched Face]

The best path forward at this point is an arso win.

The town doesn't have the numbers anymore other than preventing the arso from getting lynched I believe.

 

[VashTheStampede]

But my stats

 

[A Punched Face]

But my stats

They'll come once the game ends.

Also this game was not a total waste for the town. I got that sweet priest success badge out of it.

 

[Kat]

I probably should've said a few things on my last day as... their plan, plans, or lack of then kind of were full of holes.

It's sooo hard for me to not post in the wolf chat and point out all the holes in their plan. But they might still pull it off somehow.

People figured out how to lie and stopped outing themselves day 1. It was “balanced” in the original iterations but the town kept winning so I tilted things towards the evils. Next time will have a VERY minor adjustment and we’ll see how that goes.

Agreed. We needed the tilt towards evils while people figured out how to lie, but it needs to be tilted back. Maybe go back to including some guaranteed roles?

I'm also thinking about running a game where the lynch rules are changed. Maybe no minimum vote required, maybe tie votes kill everybody with the most votes, maybe both. I think that'd prevent the SK and wolves ending up in a deadlock. I'm not sure it'd help the town, though.

 

[A Punched Face]

Everyone tied gets lynched would be awesome for day 1s where like 6 people get joke votes and everyone else doesn't bother to vote.

Don't tell anyone that's going to happen. Just let 6 people get lynched right away.

 

[Kat]

I'll just edit the first post to reflect the new rules. Nobody will bother to read it, so surprise!

 

[Kat]

Day is opening soon, I just need to make the thread and all that.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Hey Zell I think yesterday was a good example of another situation where a Flower Child ability could have come in clutch

 

[A Punched Face]

Well I mean if that ability were still available for then it also wouldn't have been needed.

So I guess Jon really did only have the ability to use it on a wolf this game.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Well I mean if that ability were still available for then it also wouldn't have been needed.

So I guess Jon really did only have the ability to use it on a wolf this game.

Its true he could have just  voted.

But in a similar situation against the same tactic it absolutely could have saved the day.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[A Punched Face]

Its true he could have just  voted.

But in a similar situation against the same tactic it absolutely could have saved the day.

That was more a "the wolves would have been down an extra vote earlier" thing there. Though that would have relied on getting someone else the day before in place of Jawneh. Probably local since it feels like people were already on him then.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Omg now I get it

Jon and kut were teaching us a lesson about the presidential election

 

[VashTheStampede]

Basically shortkut voted for Jill Stein

 

[A Punched Face]

And Jon didn't vote. Leading to a path to victory for the man of orange (fire).

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm sad now lol

 

[A Punched Face]

I fear that too much blame for the current situation is going toward Jon. He was part of it, but day 1 shenanigans are forgiveable (or at least should be) and he wasn't the only one whose vote (or lack thereof) led to yesterday.

For Jon: I know it wasn't your intention to play against your win condition at this point, but it looks like most people are assuming it was. Just be ready for that.

 

[Jawneh]

Ever had pineberries?

They're pale pink strawberries that taste like a lot like pineapple.

I love them so much

Never heard of them,but I'm now intrigued! Gotta try to remember that whenever we're near produce or some bigger farmers markets.

It's sooo hard for me to not post in the wolf chat and point out all the holes in their plan. But they might still pull it off somehow.

Haha, oh nooo.

Well, if they don't heck up, and depending on who got doused by the arsonist, the wolves can still win.

If the arsonist is lynched the wolves win after tonight.

If the arsonist lights up two townies, the wolves win. Not including kut. That'd be bad.

But if the arsonist does light up tonight, houses another two people, there's a good chance they win. If there's overlap with lynched and wolf kills then maybe not.

Town though... seems kind of boned right now. If the arsonist doused two wolves and lights up tonight, the town wins.

Those should be the game plans.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Another analogy:

Its like when you're watching sports and the referee gets a few important calls wrong but they all happen to go against your team so you feel like they were biased against you.

Lots of times they just goofed.

Except Anthony Taylor. Fuck Anthony Taylor.

 

[A Punched Face]

So what is cg? Does his role have any impact?