Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 2 Day 2

[VashTheStampede]

This also really tilts me more away from Local being a Fool and makes me want to kill Jawneh by proxy even more

 

[Banana]

is he an avenger like jon claimed??

ive been mostly looking up roles that get mentioned.

 

[Smacktard]

Yeah, I'm still going to kill Jawneh because he's very much NOT the ritualist and if he's the fool, my kill of him is significantly safer than a lynch in case he IS the fool.

This sounds like a good strategy. I don't know what made Jawneh so sus, but ok.

Just an idea I just came up with just now and definitely not in the other 9 pages of this thread

What about the idea where you and Christina both said that I was protecting Tommy last night? How did you both arrive at that belief? And why did you ignore the part of my post where I asked that?

you dont come in and try to blow up a collective strategy the town has made when you dont know what is going on though?

Yes I do

 

[Christina]

Because Tommy said it.

My new hypothesis on Local is that his a wearwolf fan.

 

[Smacktard]

Whatever you do, don't kill me tonight because my town helping power got rocked. Please kill me tomorrow if you want, just not tonight.

Love, local.

Also wolves might kill me tonight so thanks a lot Bully for helping the wolves

Banana has to kill you tonight or they get voted out tomorrow.

 

[Banana]

Banana has to kill you tonight or they get voted out tomorrow.

maybe thats you now.

 

[Local Hero]

Banana has to kill you tonight or they get voted out tomorrow.

Do what they want. My death will be meaningless other than proving* who banana is

 

[VashTheStampede]

What about the idea where you and Christina both said that I was protecting Tommy last night? How did you both arrive at that belief?

Tommy gave me the impression when he mentioned the little reaction ploy he implemented yesterday. And you said yesterday that someone gave you a signal and you were going to protect them.

so really, YOU told me?

And why did you ignore the part of my post where I asked that?

Oh no let's not go around ignoring posts that would be bad

 

[Banana]

Do what they want. My death will be meaningless other than pricing who banana is

if all goes well we will know by tomorrow anyhow

 

[Smacktard]

maybe thats you now.

Maybe if you were actual town, you'd try acting less spiteful and more helpful

 

[Jon]

you dont come in and try to blow up a collective strategy the town has made when you dont know what is going on though?

It's this

To be fair to smacktard (also known as Kelly, so banana can follow when I default to using his name), he's in Saudi and missed hundreds of posts where the plan was made.

But yes Jawneh definitely needs to die today instead of banana.

Bully threw a rock at me. Which deactivates any powers

BUT WHAT POWERS ARE THOSE!?

Hmm

I would say "Arabia" instead of "Saudi" because it sounds cooler

Which is more accurate to say if one was to shorten it to one word?

Weren't you going to bed?

My power helps the town when I die.

If you're the loudmouth, like I think you're alluding to based off some things you've said... it SHOULD work like the avenger being bullied... You can't CHANGE your target, but your power still goes off. Again, this is open to @Benzine and his interpretation, but @Zell 17 confirmed that in his game recently. Essentially, reactions still happen, but your ability to change the target can't.

This sounds like a good strategy. I don't know what made Jawneh so sus, but ok.

He went on a long rant claiming to be the ritualist, but had a MAJOR hole in his story that Tommy called out and counter claimed ritualist. Then admitted he lied elaborately. All indicating he may well be the fool. It's like... 7 pages ago.

 

[Local Hero]

Maybe if you were actual town, you'd try acting less spiteful and more helpful

@Banana, please forgive him, he lives in Arabia

 

[Banana]

Maybe if you were actual town, you'd try acting less spiteful and more helpful

says the guy who comes in guns blazing who hasnt read anything and has no clue whats going on?

 

[Jon]

Maybe if you were actual town, you'd try acting less spiteful and more helpful

Now now, let's not scare the new player off.

 

[Local Hero]

but your power still goes off.

False

 

[Smacktard]

says the guy who comes in guns blazing who hasnt read anything and has no clue whats going on?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Weren't you going to bed?

Yeah but then someone shows up and tried to bust up what I thought was a pretty solid plan to get some progress made in this game because they (TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLY) didn't want to do the reading or at least ask for a summary or something

I am going now. Good night everyone.

Probably.

 

[Local Hero]

"A player who is concussed will not be able to use any abilities during that day or the subsequent night."

 

[Jon]

False

Was this confirmed somewhere?

 

[Local Hero]

Was this confirmed somewhere?

In my post above

 

[Benzine]

Yeah but then someone shows up and tried to bust up what I thought was a pretty solid plan to get some progress made in this game because they (TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLY) didn't want to do the reading or at least ask for a summary or something

I am going now. Good night everyone.

Probably.

put your phone down you need your beauty rest, you have poor redundant souls to be minding

 

[VashTheStampede]

put your phone down you need your beauty rest, you have poor redundant souls to be minding

Ughhhh yeah

 

[Jawneh]

He went on a long rant claiming to be the ritualist, but had a MAJOR hole in his story that Tommy called out and counter claimed ritualist. Then admitted he lied elaborately. All indicating he may well be the fool. It's like... 7 pages ago.

It was like 3 paragraphs at most! C'mon now!

With the hole in there, 1.5 tops. Sheeesh.

 

[Jon]

"A player who is concussed will not be able to use any abilities during that day or the subsequent night."

Yes, but how Zell explained it was the actual "use" of the ability is the switching. Something that occurs on death is a reaction to the death, not the ability itself.

Again, this is up to @Benzine in his game, but if Loudmouth function like Avenger, then this should be true, that you're just blocked from CHANGING your target.

 

[Local Hero]

Oh sure, my ability is to switch my target. Not the actual revealing of a role part.

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Acolyte Players]

I can't wait to wake up in the morning to 10 pages of Kelly chatting with Benzine

 

[Jawneh]

I'm here waiting my imminent doom, supposedly via proxy by Jon, but now we're also having Banana getting split, Local expiring in some way, and Kelly projecting his best kut impression and not making any sense at all after all the drama today.

This is great. I need to be a ritualist more often.

 

[Acolyte Players]

Oh sure, my ability is to switch my target. Not the actual revealing of a role part.

I dunno you're still pretty loud for someone with a concussion.

 

[Christina]

 

[Jon]

Oh sure, my ability is to switch my target. Not the actual revealing of a role part.

This is what I'm getting at. If Loudmouth reveal is considered reflexive too, it would fall under the exact same pretense.

 

[Benzine]

the above screenshots are fine as they're not from this game but please no screenshots of this game - just as a reminder. can feel it coming.

 

[Local Hero]

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This is what I'm getting at. If Loudmouth reveal is considered reflexive too, it would fall under the exact same pretense.

I apologize

 

[Jon]

the above screenshots are fine as they're not from this game but please no screenshots of this game - just as a reminder. can feel it coming.

Absolutely, which is also why I included the dates purposely. Just for supporting what I was trying to explain.

 

[Smacktard]

Okay so here's where we're at:

• Banana claims nightmare'd and couldn't kill Local
• If true, this would mean that Local would almost certainly HAVE to be a wolf (maybe SK?) -- because why would wolves nigthmare a killing role who they knew was targetting a townie?
• Jon will be lynched, and avenge kill Jawneh, who everyone agrees is likely the Fool
• Vash and Christina are almost certainly wolves

 

[Local Hero]

If true, this would mean that Local would almost certainly HAVE to be a wolf (maybe SK?) -- because why would wolves nigthmare a killing role who they knew was targetting a townie?

Just like how you saved a towny last Zell's game?

 

[Local Hero]

Vash and Christina are almost certainly wolves

I think Zell said Vash and Kat are on the same team.

Probably town unless he miraculously nailed two wolves

 

[Smacktard]

I think Zell said Vash and Kat are on the same team.

Probably town unless he miraculously nailed two wolves

How could he do that? He checked dimmerwit and Jon, and then died

 

[Jon]

I think Zell said Vash and Kat are on the same team.

Probably town unless he miraculously nailed two wolves

That came from Jawneh and his Big Lie 2.0

 

[Smacktard]

That came from Jawneh and his Big Lie 2.0

I think you all aren't giving Jawneh enough credit. Why would he lie about something so easily provable? This, the ritualist thing... It really seems to me like he's just a loudmouth looking to get lynched. MAYBE Fool, but I feel like he's more artful than that.

 

[Jon]

How could he do that? He checked dimmerwit and Jon, and then died

Don't worry, a lot of us didn't read all 500 posts either.

It was part of Jawneh's ritualist claim that he said he talked to Zell last night phase and told him he got his read back. Which is partly how Tommy called out the lie because Zell would have been added after the ritualist left the dead chat.

 

[Jon]

I think you all aren't giving Jawneh enough credit. Why would he lie about something so easily provable? This, the ritualist thing... It really seems to me like he's just a loudmouth looking to get lynched. MAYBE Fool, but I feel like he's more artful than that.

I think you may be giving him TOO much credit.

Based on his reaction, it seemed very much like he wanted the lie to be found out to put sus on him and get lynched.

That's how i ready it anyway.

 

[Smacktard]

I think you may be giving him TOO much credit.

Based on his reaction, it seemed very much like he wanted the lie to be found out to put sus on him and get lynched.

That's how i ready it anyway.

Exactly. Ergo, Loudmouth. I guess the strategy for getting yourself lynched on purpose is the same for Fool, too, so it's got to be either one of them.

 

[Jon]

@Smacktard - Here's the post. It was on friggin page 2 ....

Zell Wolf - Not Zell Wolf 2 Day 2

So basically both dimmerwit and Jon could literally be anything. Just not at the same time. Glad we've cleared that up.

gwforums.com

And Tommy's prime rebuttle:

Zell Wolf - Not Zell Wolf 2 Day 2

Yes. And one of them is dead and may or may not have been a wolf. The other is alive and could be townie, solo, or wolf depending on what argument you want to make. So yes, Zell's reading is open to interpretation. We just have to figure out which scenario is the most likely. Well most likely...

gwforums.com

 

[Jon]

And one more for good measure where Jawneh admits it:

Zell Wolf - Not Zell Wolf 2 Day 2

gwforums.com

 

[Banana]

i find it interesting that smacktard is very adamant that jawneh is loudmouth instead of fool. is he the fool instead? or maybe headhunter and that is why they keep fixating on me? maybe cupid but i dont really get what to look for there.

 

[Smacktard]

@Jon I just read it. He lied about being Ritualist in a really obvious way. So yeah, Fool or Loudmouth.

i find it interesting that smacktard is very adamant that jawneh is loudmouth instead of fool. is he the fool instead? or maybe headhunter and that is why they keep fixating in me?

I'm saying he could be both.

I'm saying you have until tomorrow to prove that you have a killing role by killing Local. If you DID have a killing role, you wouldn't feel threatened by being pushed to kill someone who falsely claimed you're evil -- because you could easily clear yourself. But you're being mad sus.

 

[Jon]

i find it interesting that smacktard is very adamant that jawneh is loudmouth instead of fool. is he the fool instead? or maybe headhunter and that is why they keep fixating on me? maybe cupid but i dont really get what to look for there.

I truly think this is a little bit of Kelly not seeing what progressed for us over 10 pages. Doubt he's the fool. He's not trying to get lynched.

Headhunter is possible, but then Jawneh wouldn't be the fool (so we can kind of clear that up once Jawneh dies).

Cupid just puts two players together and they are now working against the teams they are normally on. It's also possible based on what we're seeing him do that he'd be trying to protect his lover.

That said, if Kelly and Jawneh are lovers, my god that Cupid is a sadistic bastard.

EDIT - cleared up formatting for clarity.

 

[Jon]

@Jon I just read it. He lied about being Ritualist in a really obvious way. So yeah, Fool or Loudmouth.

Which is what we all came to. Personally, I don't think the loudmouth is critical enough a role to want to get lynched THAT badly. I'd play the loudmouth more like Local has, which makes me think he may really be that.

 

[Banana]

@Jon I just read it. He lied about being Ritualist in a really obvious way. So yeah, Fool or Loudmouth.

I'm saying he could be both.

I'm saying you have until tomorrow to prove that you have a killing role by killing Local. If you DID have a killing role, you wouldn't feel threatened by being pushed to kill someone who falsely claimed you're evil -- because you could easily clear yourself. But you're being mad sus.

um i was literally threatened by multiple people including you? and still now? i was even forced to role claim to defend myself and thats the only reason it came up and many people were talking about it is logical for me to kill local hero because he was making stuff up? am i supposed to not point out hes lying about me being a wolf? now because you all forced me to share my identity i was a target of a nightmare ability which you even said would happen and that makes me suspicious? if i wasnt forced to reveal myself i probably would have been able to kill but pushy people like you who try to play boss actively stop me from doing what i can do?