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Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version XI Day 5

Who should the village lynch? (4 required)

  • Benzine

    Votes: 4 30.8%

  • Dean

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Kat

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Raine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • TD

    Votes: 4 30.8%

  • Tommy Boy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Tubby23

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • VashTheStampede

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No Vote

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
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Benzine said:
What do you expect? Dean has said he's bad. Mostly likely, he is. Will find out for sure over night I think.
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VashTheStampede said:
If I am right, neither Tommy nor Raine will vote Along with us.

Tubby voting with us puts a lot of pressure on Kat
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You gotta walk me through this? I'm think I'm more or less caught up now, but I feel like entire gaps in logic are missing. I was sort of under the impression that the wolves had folded or something and the game was wrapped up, that's why I skipped and went about my (IRL) night.

I didn't even realize TD being the third Strong had become public knowledge. I picked up on it sometime during Day 2 while running around trying to figure out the Warden debacle. People have had plenty of time to counter-claim, and they haven't. I already know what you think this means, but, you're wrong - and I can't convince you that you're not.

I mean I'm pretty shocked FR wasn't 1) a wolf or 2) a part of the couple, so it's not like I have any better ideas to present.

The entirety of the tail end of Day 3 is a fever dream and I can't comprehend. You can double check my math for me, but I believe: If Kat died, the wolves won. If no consensus was formed and Ben attempted to lynch you (Vash), the wolves won. (+ If Jon was lynched and the wolves double killed, the wolves won.) There's no fucking voting history I can use to glean any information, so all I have for certain is the end where everyone has switched to Jon in the wee hours of the night/early morning. Except for you and TD. And I don't suspect either of you as being a wolf right, so... what in the actual fuck.
 
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Kat said:
Yeah, I know. TD pushed to lynch Jawneh and Jump, though. But he did refuse to vote Jon and gave a really silly reason. Idk I'm torn.
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I was first on for both Jawneh and Jon. If I tried to fake it with Jawneh and actually killed him, do you think I'd really do the same again with Jon?

Both me and Vash are saying we're seers apprentices turned sheriffs, both watched Ben die. Both got TD as a result. I got Tommy, who's meant to be good, and Vash got me, which is really hilarious.

I'm good (again!).
 
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VashTheStampede said:
Basically it boils down to this:

Do you think Benzine helping to get rid of 2 wolves was part of his master plan to clear himself?
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Benzine specifically? No. And I already dug my grave, and maybe everyone else's, as a result of that.

But I've been adamant that something wasn't right about that lynch from the word go. I was against clearing the way for the wolves to clinch victory by removing the Corruptor - there are arguments for and against it, yes, but the wolves do have to lynch him (which would never become possible again with the "promised" plan) - and, lo and behold, they almost fucking won yesterday-ish. Meanwhile people are spinning themselves around in circles, making pretzels, all that.

I'll be honest: When I saw Benzine's claim, I immediately thought he was a liar. Immediately. That's not even the first time he's lied like that in recent memory, and it reminds me a lot of what Tommy's lie was back when Tubby pointed the finger at him and me as the Sheriff (doing a false claim). I'm to believe that Benzine telegraphed his "Jon and TD classic wolf play" thing the phase before, intuitively understood the exact motivations for why the wolves did what they did, and landed on Tommy (Cupid) and TD (who by then Benzine knew was the Detective) as his choices? Really?

If you hadn't stepped up, we would've merrily marched to our deaths I'm sure.

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@Raine who did you visit the last couple of nights?
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Raine said:
1) I didn't. Never claimed to.

2) Because I can't be killed while visiting someone else, unless the person I'm visiting is killed.
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Ah, miscommunication then

I took your answer to "who did you visit the last couple nights" to mean you visited her the last couple nights.
 
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Vote analysis:
Day one, Raine, Tommy Boy, and Vash did not vote for Jawneh. That being said, Vash is cleared townie, and Tommy is the SNV supposedly. That leaves Raine, but she voted for Jon at a pivotal moment. Tommy voted for Benzine (shocker), Raine voted for Kelly, and Vash voted for Tubby (maybe good instincts?)

Day two, Kat voted for Ben and Raine voted for Kat. The rest of the living players voted to lynch the Corruptor, Jumpman, and save Tubby.

Day three, Vash voted for Benzine (instincts again?), TD voted for Fool's (per his post, this was to "clear" Raine). All other living players voted for Jon.

Day four, everybody voted for Jon.
 
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Benzine was consistent early on... Bounced around joke role claims, then finally settled on Seer Apprentice and stuck with it after shortkut died, but the wolves haven't gone after him. He and Jawneh said they would go after each other day one, even if they are wolves. Given the people who voted for Jawneh day one are a lot of the players who are still alive, using that to analyze is out the window. Benzine hasn't had actual abilities as Sheriff long enough to really analyze his decisions, but he supposedly picked Tommy, who's been outed as Cupid since really freaking early, and was a weird pick. His play style makes him hard to read anyway. He's very deceptive and could have given up Jon to build up credibility. He has been siding with me a lot, even publicly posting, but is that to get me to trust him when he's actually been using me the whole game? He knows I'm not that good and I've never been a seer before, so it wouldn't shock me if he has been playing me this whole time without me even realizing it. Could Benzine be the Nightmare or Shaman Wolf?

Vash has been confirmed good, above all else. The only other player I was able to confirm as good was FR, who turned out to be the Bell Ringer. I have no reason to doubt that Vash is the Sheriff, but even if he's lying around his role for some... weird reason... He is definitely a townie. I don't know why he's been left alive either, especially since he's usually a good player, and the wolves would assume as sheriff he can't retaliate, and he can't watch himself I think? But maybe it's because he's on their trail and they don't want to look suspicious, or because he isn't even close. Who knows?

TD is always suspicious to me, and the fact he's made it this long without a solid role claim until the last couple phases put him on my sus list. Tubby talked me down, and Tubby is showing as evil, which makes me question both of them. That said, TD said he was Nightmared, and Vash also said he was Nightmared. TD's use of his Detective role made more sense to me than Benzine's use of his Sheriff role, so in a choice between them, that's a factor. But TD is super sneaky and a schemer and could be a wolf with the abilities of a detective or something. I'm still suspicious of him. Am I as suspicious or more suspicious compared to Tubby or Benzine? TD or Benzine killed Ben, according to Vash.

Tommy claimed Cupid early on, but he has evolved into a sophisticated player who's been able to fake his way through the game a lot better. I need to stop taking his word as gold. He may have used Cupid as a cover for Headhunter and is trying to get rid of Benzine or another target, as Benzine pointed out. A lynch of the wrong person could lead to him winning. I'm surprised with half the players gone that we haven't hit a Cupid couple member yet. That means three of the remaining eight are Cupid or the couple, so if we manage to eliminate the final two wolves, more than likely, one of them is coupled. The numbers could be really hard for the town to overcome.

Raine hasn't been as active as I'd have hoped, and she hasn't been especially helpful from an analysis standpoint. She claimed Red Lady, and I have no real reason to dispute it. She cleared Kat but hasn't really posted that she's visited others to clear them, which is risky since the Red Lady can be killed if not visiting another player. I assume the wolves have left her alone because she hasn't been a threat.

Kat bounced around on a few role claims and admitted to lying about being a seer or protector. She offered to clear me or another player as Loudmouth, but this could have been some crazy play to get herself lynched. I don't believe there is a Fool, and with there being a Nightmare Wolf and Shaman Wolf, it wouldn't make any sense. I think she being the Loudmouth would make sense. She was willing to exonerate a seer, she has voted for wolves like Jon, etc.

Tubby... This one is perplexing. He begged me to check him and was evil. I assume the plan was to Nightmare me or something the night that I read Tubby, but maybe some wires got crossed? Or he thought I would die? I don't get it. Maybe it was a play to make me look bad or to have me question my sanity? The math doesn't work out for Tubby to be Beast Hunter, assuming the other notes I have.
 
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I edited my long post above to include my analysis of the other seven players. Here is where it's taken me:

Dead:
Ben - Judge - Reg 1/7
Canadaguy - Ritualist - Strong 1/3
Fool's Requiem - Reg - 2/7
GwJumpman - Corruptor - Solo Killer
Jawneh - Blind Wolf - Wolf 1/4
Jon - Alpha Wolf - Wolf 2/4
shortkut - Sheriff - Reg 3/7
Smacktard - Warden - Strong 2/7

Alive:
Dean - Aura Seer - Reg 4/7
Kat - Loudmouth - Reg 5/7
Raine - Red Lady - Reg 6/7
TD - Detective - Strong 3/3
Tommy Boy - Cupid or Headhunter? - Solo Non-Violent
Vash - Seer Apprentice/Sheriff - Reg 7/7

That leaves Benzine and Tubby as the wolves.
 
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My biggest issue with BZ is that I find it wild that two seer apprentices A. exist and B. Both ascend at the same time. I feel like Zell would purposely ignore the question or answer it in a way that allows that ideology for this game but clarifies the next one.

I just don't think there could be two promotions/ascensions whatever. I'm really not the HH though. If you check me you'll see a good aura.
 
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