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Zell Wolf GWF Zell Version XI Wolf Day 2

Who should the villagers lynch? (7 votes required)

  • Ben

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Benzine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Dean

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Fool's Requiem

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • GwJumpman

    Votes: 8 47.1%

  • Jon

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Kat

    Votes: 3 17.6%

  • Raine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • shortkut

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Smacktard

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • TD

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Tommy Boy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Tubby23

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • VashTheStampede

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No Vote

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • Total voters
    17
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TD said:
Speaking of - you've been unusually quiet and indecisive about suspicious people yet you're on every bandwagon.

Jumpman aside, who is suspicious to you?
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Mostly Kut due to the last minute vote switch. Raine I'm keeping my eye on, but wouldn't want to lynch her today. She voted Kelly because she was planning to visit him then didn't even do it? And since when does she think vote analyzing is suspicious? Really everybody who didn't vote for Jawneh is pretty suspicious to me. They're not all evil, of course, but I feel like there are at least a couple wolves in there.

Now the SK is an interesting question. They would want a lynch no matter who it was, so they're probably on the voted for Jawneh list. They're maybe likely to jump on bandwagons but don't want to draw a lot of attention to themselves? I don't have any specific people I suspect for that though.

GwJumpman said:
I was watching until the night ended, so there was enough time. I didn't need to make the decision because enough votes were made.
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So you're claiming you would have switched if there weren't enough votes? Why not just switch ahead of time if you supported the lynch? How close to the end of the day were you planning to wait?

GwJumpman said:
If this is the case and everybody's lying, any of you people out there that are using not claiming a role as justification as sus as fuck then.
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Oddly wolves are more likely to not claim at all and townies are more likely to claim a different role. It's not a hard and fast time, but usually at least a couple wolves are very hesitant to claim anything.

You did claim yesterday though, so it doesn't apply to you regardless.
 
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TD said:
Zell has preached from the beginning that the key to winning the game (for both sides) is role claiming. Some people will blatantly do it. Some people will drop hints. Some people will lie.

For what it's worth - I don't believe a single role claim if that makes you feel better. I'm the one who's literally been trying to lead the way against two of the people that most are trusting right now.
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See I don't know what exactly it is I don't like about that but I don't like it. Thinking long time about how I'd like to play the game, I'd like to play in a way where I'm consistent regardless of what side I'm on. Regardless of how things start out, what makes sense to me is to not reveal my role unless necessary.

If I'm a townie, regardless of role, I want to obscure what kind of townie I am.
If I'm a wolf, I want to obscure that I'm a wolf.
If I'm a solo, I want to obscure that I'm a solo.

No matter what I am, I don't want to reveal my role. In the situations where I get lynched as a wolf or solo it's all happy days while the majority of the time it'll be sad days, but the logic that would get me lynched now is the same as it would be in any other game at this point.
And it surprises me that people who are more experienced in this kind of game would call for me to get lynched knowing all they know.

Not that it matters what I say, but from my inexperience of like 4 games now I think there's a wolf hidden amongst the group of TD, Kat, and Benzine.
 
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Kat said:
Now the SK is an interesting question. They would want a lynch no matter who it was, so they're probably on the voted for Jawneh list. They're maybe likely to jump on bandwagons but don't want to draw a lot of attention to themselves? I don't have any specific people I suspect for that though.
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inb4 Vash is Arso again

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I'm caught up! Replies... soon-ish.

Arsonist is literal doomsday scenario for the entire game. Up to 6 people dead come morning. But, also, probably not enough for the Arsonist to win... maybe... :paranoid
 
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GwJumpman said:
See I don't know what exactly it is I don't like about that but I don't like it. Thinking long time about how I'd like to play the game, I'd like to play in a way where I'm consistent regardless of what side I'm on. Regardless of how things start out, what makes sense to me is to not reveal my role unless necessary.

If I'm a townie, regardless of role, I want to obscure what kind of townie I am.
If I'm a wolf, I want to obscure that I'm a wolf.
If I'm a solo, I want to obscure that I'm a solo.

No matter what I am, I don't want to reveal my role. In the situations where I get lynched as a wolf or solo it's all happy days while the majority of the time it'll be sad days, but the logic that would get me lynched now is the same as it would be in any other game at this point.
And it surprises me that people who are more experienced in this kind of game would call for me to get lynched knowing all they know.
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Truthfully? I'm with you. I hate the role claim meta. It's generally pretty boring, I adopted it for a bit but I'm a "figure it out" type.

What I will say however is that I love this shake up that Zell has done with all roles being random as opposed to a bunch of fixed roles and only a few random roles.

Before you could literally look at fixed roles and be like "oh, okay, that exists so it's probably true", NOW? Everyone could be lying about everything and there's no checklist to compare it to.
 
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Kat said:
@Jon Dean said you have unknown aura. Is that what you would expect?
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If I answer this, I open myself up more than I would like. So, instead, I will say I believe everything Dean has read so far to be truthful and accurate. Good enough?

GwJumpman said:
I have no idea what kind of 5D chess you're playing but my chess takes place in only the 1st dimension. I don't have enough familiarity with you all to be able to pick out all the common habits and inside references so I'm just going by what I've been able to pick up in just a few games of playing.
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Good luck with this one. Let me know how it turns out for you. I said the same thing my first game and I'm still always sus. Especially to TD. Everyone is though, don't take it personally.

TD stands for Trust Disorder.

VashTheStampede said:
Tommy gave himself mute PTSD and nothing even happened to him
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...you're one to talk... I still have the real PTSD... 😭

VashTheStampede said:
But I'm just a harmless *checks notes* street samurai??
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You weren't even the street samurai in my game. YOU DIDN'T EVEN PLAY MY GAME!

I'm beginning to think you hate me.

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Kat said:
Mostly Kut due to the last minute vote switch. Raine I'm keeping my eye on, but wouldn't want to lynch her today. She voted Kelly because she was planning to visit him then didn't even do it? And since when does she think vote analyzing is suspicious? Really everybody who didn't vote for Jawneh is pretty suspicious to me. They're not all evil, of course, but I feel like there are at least a couple wolves in there.
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How can everyone who didn't vote Jawneh be suspicious? Everyone period should be suspicious, unless you know more than you're implying.

There were multiple people yesterday and today saying that the wolves could have voted for Jawneh.

Meanwhile, the one person who shot you up their list and went after you is conveniently muted.

Why do you think that is?
 
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TD said:
How can everyone who didn't vote Jawneh be suspicious? Everyone period should be suspicious, unless you know more than you're implying.

There were multiple people yesterday and today saying that the wolves could have voted for Jawneh.

Meanwhile, the one person who shot you up their list and went after you is conveniently muted.

Why do you think that is?
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finally some good fucking logic. Voting Kat
 
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Kat said:
It makes sense the wolves didn't vote for him though, doesn't it? Why wouldn't we pay attention to that when we have that information? Usually you're all for analyzing voting patterns.
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Oh, I absolutely am - both ways. It's very interesting when other people take up the mantle though, especially ones that have claimed to be too lazy to do it before. ;)

I... think you're okay. For now. I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of cookies swaying my opinion!

VashTheStampede said:
OKAY WEREWOLVES LETS GO BREAK INTO THAT DUDES HOUSE AND EAT EM

AWOOOOOO

OH SHIT HES ALREADY DEAD

THATS COOL, FRANK HAD A BACKUP PLAN AND HES ACROSS THE STREET EATING TOBY

AWOOOOO
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BOY WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT JAILING AND EXECUTING A WOLF AVENGER SO THEY COULDN'T, UH, AVENGE-R A RANDOM TOWNIE

AND ZELL SAID "NO U" 'CAUSE THE WOLF WOULD MIRACULOUSLY SURVIVE LITERAL EXECUTION, ESCAPE PRISON, MURDER SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN

AND THEN, AND ONLY THEN, JUST DIE LIKE A FUCKIN' CHUMP

:rofl

GwJumpman said:
Next game I'm a townie again I'm just gonna claim a role I'm not just to see what happens. You people will believe anyone as long as they claim something
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I'm like 99.99% certain that this is was I was explicitly telling people to do in the previous dead thread. Not having a claim at all is suspect because it's intentionally withholding from the town, meanwhile it doesn't exactly matter what it is that you're claiming or how you claim it - presenting things that people can look at, analyze, pester you about. That's what's important.

Also despite how many games it's been, our community isn't good at lying and so at least half of them still get caught with their pants off and don't have good/valid claims whilst evil.

You... on the other hand, are interesting. Because it didn't sound like you were saying that you were a Farmer, it sounded like you were saying your power was used. But you still refused to say what that power was, how it was used, what information if any it gave you. Which if it gave you valuable intel on a townie, fair game to not just throw that out there, but still... that's strange.

I can definitely understand why you're on the chopping block. And I'll join them because of peer pressure lack of currently better options. But y'know future considerations and all that! 👀

Tommy Boy said:
OK in all seriousness though I'm really not gunna let this go. We can also deal with this tomorrow, but no reason not to get a head start.
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I'm fucking howling and I so, so wish I had the ability to mute people. 🤣

Kat said:
She voted Kelly because she was planning to visit him then didn't even do it?
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Uh, yes. See I had this brilliant idea to verify all of the people that voted for Jawneh, to ensure there was no funny business from the wolves.

...And then, like you say, I realized visiting the Solo Killer would still fucking kill me and it's in their interest to kill everyone so they should realistically be on board every bandwagon. So I had to audible to Dumb Idea™ (#2). 😂
 
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TD said:
There were multiple people yesterday and today saying that the wolves could have voted for Jawneh.
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Sure, they could've, but why would they when even one fewer vote would've prevented the lynch? We normally don't even lynch the first day and plenty of people were wary of doing it. It would've been easy to just not kill him. They wouldn't get enough out of it to be worth it IMO.
 
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VashTheStampede said:
We haven't had our usual segment where Raine and TD speak in riddles to each other.
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Are you telling me to play video games with TD tonight?

His new playstyle leaves something to be desired, I kept noping and red shirting him (and others lol) about Benzine and yet no traction. The lust for Benzine blood is too strong. It does feel weird not being immediately accused by him though. And you. And Kelly. :paranoid
 
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