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Zell Wolf GWF Zell Version XI Wolf Day 2

Who should the villagers lynch? (7 votes required)

  • Ben

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Benzine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Dean

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Fool's Requiem

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • GwJumpman

    Votes: 8 47.1%

  • Jon

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Kat

    Votes: 3 17.6%

  • Raine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • shortkut

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Smacktard

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • TD

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Tommy Boy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Tubby23

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • VashTheStampede

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No Vote

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • Total voters
    17
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Just in case I don't get back here before 9 and the day closes;

I'm going to listen to the masses and put my vote on GwJumpman. I can't say I really have anything to go on explicitly, but it seems we're trusting everyone's role claims for the most part so I'm not going to deprive the town their blood.

Sorry, buddy.
 
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Ben said:
Just in case I don't get back here before 9 and the day closes;

I'm going to listen to the masses and put my vote on GwJumpman. I can't say I really have anything to go on explicitly, but it seems we're trusting everyone's role claims for the most part so I'm not going to deprive the town their blood.

Sorry, buddy.
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An interesting change in philosophy from yesterday
 
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For what it's worth Jump, not all of us take role claims as absolutes. Many here play under the assumption that everyone is lying and don't trust anyone. It's a game of deception after all.

I think the bigger thing is not your lack of role claim, but you staying off Jawneh in what was a very close vote for what it's worth.

We'll know soon if you're a wolf, solo, or a townie.

Plus personally - this vote analysis is going to be very interesting because there's some differences between yesterday and today. Some rather interesting ones, at that.
 
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GwJumpman said:
In my defense, there were enough votes to vote out Jawneh and my logic on Tommy day 1 I think was still rational. Being someone to vote for a wolf doesn't mean you're not a wolf and the reverse is also true.
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There were only enough votes about thirty minutes before the end of the day, weren't there? So that's not much of a justification.
 
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Kat said:
I didn't realize it until I ran a game and knew everyone's roles from the start, but townies fake claim SO MUCH. So yeah feel free.
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Speaking of - you've been unusually quiet and indecisive about suspicious people yet you're on every bandwagon.

Jumpman aside, who is suspicious to you?
 
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Kat said:
There were only enough votes about thirty minutes before the end of the day, weren't there? So that's not much of a justification.
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I was watching until the night ended, so there was enough time. I didn't need to make the decision because enough votes were made.
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I didn't realize it until I ran a game and knew everyone's roles from the start, but townies fake claim SO MUCH. So yeah feel free.
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If this is the case and everybody's lying, any of you people out there that are using not claiming a role as justification as sus as fuck then.
 
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OK in all seriousness though I'm really not gunna let this go. We can also deal with this tomorrow, but no reason not to get a head start.

Tubby is clearly muted or bluffing. We all don't want to role reveal, and we all call people sus for trying to call for a role reveal, but I'm doin it. If there is a Librarian, step forward.

Reasons for this:
If someone comes forward and admits to muting Tubby, we believe that person, but also make the person agree to not use the ability for the rest of the game, as randomly muting targets have no benefit when you're a townie. I understand the role of Librarian, but in this political climate, there's just no reason for a townie to shoot in the dark and basically guess who to mute. That seriously fucks things up. I'm willing to hear arguments on how this mechanic can benefit the town, but so far it does nothing but prevent someone potentially vital to assisting the town. In my opinion, risking randomly muting a townie is worse than successfully muting a wolf. The odds are too low, and there's little payoff because they can still participate in their nightly chat and vote.

If the Librarian that comes forward agrees and someone else is muted the following day, then either the person that came forward or the second person muted is bluffing, and we can reduce our odds of someone lying down to 2 players.

I understand I'm going unnecessarily hard in this department, but I would have been right last game, and I feel like I have a pretty reasonable proposal in this one. Totally cool if people aren't on board with this. But I think this is a lot more solid than just sussing out vibes waiting for a seer.
 
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I was asking Kat and seeing as you unquestionably trust some of my top suspects, it's an interesting take.
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I have no idea what kind of 5D chess you're playing but my chess takes place in only the 1st dimension. I don't have enough familiarity with you all to be able to pick out all the common habits and inside references so I'm just going by what I've been able to pick up in just a few games of playing. I see people keep relying on role claims to determine who's trustworthy or not, now I'm being told by a game runner that people lie all the time even on the townie side.

So now to me anyone that's using this logic of role claiming at all is now super suspect so that's why now you and Kat at least are suspicious to me
 
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OK in all seriousness though I'm really not gunna let this go. We can also deal with this tomorrow, but no reason not to get a head start.

Tubby is clearly muted or bluffing. We all don't want to role reveal, and we all call people sus for trying to call for a role reveal, but I'm doin it. If there is a Librarian, step forward.

Reasons for this:
If someone comes forward and admits to muting Tubby, we believe that person, but also make the person agree to not use the ability for the rest of the game, as randomly muting targets have no benefit when you're a townie. I understand the role of Librarian, but in this political climate, there's just no reason for a townie to shoot in the dark and basically guess who to mute. That seriously fucks things up. I'm willing to hear arguments on how this mechanic can benefit the town, but so far it does nothing but prevent someone potentially vital to assisting the town. In my opinion, risking randomly muting a townie is worse than successfully muting a wolf. The odds are too low, and there's little payoff because they can still participate in their nightly chat and vote.

If the Librarian that comes forward agrees and someone else is muted the following day, then either the person that came forward or the second person muted is bluffing, and we can reduce our odds of someone lying down to 2 players.

I understand I'm going unnecessarily hard in this department, but I would have been right last game, and I feel like I have a pretty reasonable proposal in this one. Totally cool if people aren't on board with this. But I think this is a lot more solid than just sussing out vibes waiting for a seer.
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Tommy Boy said:
OK in all seriousness though I'm really not gunna let this go. We can also deal with this tomorrow, but no reason not to get a head start.

Tubby is clearly muted or bluffing. We all don't want to role reveal, and we all call people sus for trying to call for a role reveal, but I'm doin it. If there is a Librarian, step forward.
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Or we'll have a different answer in just over two hours and Tubby will no longer be with us.
 
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GwJumpman said:
I have no idea what kind of 5D chess you're playing but my chess takes place in only the 1st dimension. I don't have enough familiarity with you all to be able to pick out all the common habits and inside references so I'm just going by what I've been able to pick up in just a few games of playing. I see people keep relying on role claims to determine who's trustworthy or not, now I'm being told by a game runner that people lie all the time even on the townie side.

So now to me anyone that's using this logic of role claiming at all is now super suspect so that's why now you and Kat at least are suspicious to me
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Zell has preached from the beginning that the key to winning the game (for both sides) is role claiming. Some people will blatantly do it. Some people will drop hints. Some people will lie.

For what it's worth - I don't believe a single role claim if that makes you feel better. I'm the one who's literally been trying to lead the way against two of the people that most are trusting right now.
 
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VashTheStampede said:
An interesting change in philosophy from yesterday
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Maybe. But it's not night 1 anymore. I'm going to have to assume that at least some of the evidence presented so far is legit.

If I truly went with MY gut, I'd be voting for you. And I did put in my vote for you initially before thinking I'd potentially be the one caused another day without a village kill.

But I'm willing to delay that suspicion because others have said they think it's unlikely some megamind shit is at play. I'm still suspicious.
 
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