Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version3 Night2/Day2

[Fool's Requiem]

He's saying you were alone because Cole was dead, so even if you were both wolves, maybe you couldn't break out. So it doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

So, the role action order has the marksman kill before the Warden/Jailer kill, but does not listed the action of the Warden/Jailer doing the jailing.

It probably doesn't really matter, though.

 

[A Punched Face]

I feel like Holly is probably being truthful because otherwise the actual warden would refute her, and they're already down one wolf so a sacrifice play doesn't make sense.

Who all is claiming a seer role? Alu, warp, fool, and local hero? Obviously Cole was lying about his flower girl role, so we can dismiss that. I suppose technically those could all be true, if unlikely.

I think that list is right, with two spirits and two auras if I'm remembering correctly.

 

[TD]

Too many ors, and the pronoun game.

This FR you're talking about here? Confirmed not Marksman or Witch because otherwise wouldn't have been able to perform those actions.

Yeah FR. Just listed all the reasons he's not those two roles that have been revealed in the first hour alone.

 

[Local Hero]

Alu and local are Aura Seers for sure for sure.

Fool is spirit seer (at least not a wolf).

 

[TD]

I feel like Holly is probably being truthful because otherwise the actual warden would refute her, and they're already down one wolf so a sacrifice play doesn't make sense.

Who all is claiming a seer role? Alu, warp, fool, and local hero? Obviously Cole was lying about his flower girl role, so we can dismiss that. I suppose technically those could all be true, if unlikely.

We also have 3 random roles, so Ants claiming tough guy is notable too since it's not guaranteed to exist.

 

[A Punched Face]

Anyone else just keeping an additional tab open on the first post to show which roles are in the guaranteed count?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Fool is spirit seer (at least not a wolf).

Unfortunately, because the Marksman killed Cole before I could, I believe TECHNICALLY, I'm not 100% clear from being a wolf. Which is really what I was hoping could happen.

But again, for me to go right at a wolf right out the gate as another wolf is a really ballsy tactic, and I'm not sure Cole would risk such a play. Logically, I couldn't be a wolf. Factually, I am definitely not a wolf.

 

[TD]

Anyone else just keeping an additional tab open on the first post to show which roles are in the guaranteed count?

I'm on mobile and playing on the app like a genius.

 

[Raposuh]

Seems like our best chance at more info is Ants protecting someone who was attacked last night, then?

Also unless Ryan was the Sorceror, that role is still out there posing as one of the Aura Seers.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Regardless of how things play out from here, I got the most dangerous player eliminated and made a Guardian Wolf use up their one time ability to try to save said dangerous player. The Marksman still has a shot, and the Warden can still provide a weapon.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm on mobile and playing on the app like a genius.

You can open up your Browser separately along with the app.

 

[A Punched Face]

Do the sorcerer and wolf fan count as wolves if they're jailed before officially making their move to the wolf side? I guess specifically the Wolf fan, since the first sentence is: "is a normal townie"

 

[Kat]

Alu and local are Aura Seers for sure for sure.

I've still got my eye on you.

Fool is spirit seer (at least not a wolf).

I'm inclined to agree. I don't think they would've had Fool sacrifice Cole the first day. Although Cole did emphatically tell me before this game began that he would never ever do a wolf sacrifice the first day... Which is just the sort of thing he'd say so he could set up doing exactly that...

Who did you aura check overnight, and what were the results?

 

[TD]

Unfortunately, because the Marksman killed Cole before I could, I believe TECHNICALLY, I'm not 100% clear from being a wolf. Which is really what I was hoping could happen.

But again, for me to go right at a wolf right out the gate as another wolf is a really ballsy tactic, and I'm not sure Cole would risk such a play. Logically, I couldn't be a wolf. Factually, I am definitely not a wolf.

I mean, if Cole was a wolf and with all the ways to verify roles it's definitely a when he gets caught kind of situation - not if.

It's entirely possible that you and/or Ryan wanted to take advantage of that.

 

[A Punched Face]

Sorcerer: You belong to the wolf team because you are evil, but you are not one of them.

Also says does not belong to the villager team though, so that's even more confusing when thinking about my question.

 

[Kat]

We also have 3 random roles, so Ants claiming tough guy is notable too since it's not guaranteed to exist.

Oh I missed that, good to know! I'm a bit suspicious of Ants, mostly because he seems to always be evil. If anyone else has an optional role (including witch it marksman) then now would be a good time to say so.

Do the sorcerer and wolf fan count as wolves if they're jailed before officially making their move to the wolf side

No, it explicitly says they don't IIRC.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Sorcerer: You belong to the wolf team because you are evil, but you are not one of them.

Also says does not belong to the villager team though, so that's even more confusing when thinking about my question.

The Marksman can kill the Sorcerer, not the fan. I wonder if that works the same with the Warden. Maybe the Fan gets a gun. I can't see them using it. If they shoot a townie, they die, if they shoot a wolf, they lose a future ally.

 

[Raposuh]

Just sitting here f5ing while the smart, sober people work things out.

 

[TD]

The Marksman can kill the Sorcerer, not the fan. I wonder if that works the same with the Warden. Maybe the Fan gets a gun. I can't see them using it. If they shoot a townie, they die, if they shoot a wolf, they lose a future ally.

...did... you just implicate yourself?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

...did... you just implicate yourself?

As what? I'm reading the dang roles and passing infomation. I'm the Spirit Seer.

 

[Zell 17]

The Marksman can kill the Sorcerer, not the fan. I wonder if that works the same with the Warden. Maybe the Fan gets a gun. I can't see them using it. If they shoot a townie, they die, if they shoot a wolf, they lose a future ally.

It does work the same and the ww fan would see a weapon if dropped

 

[Fool's Requiem]

It does work the same and the ww fan would see a weapon if dropped

roger roger

 

[TD]

As what? I'm reading the dang roles and passing infomation. I'm the Spirit Seer.

You legit made it sound like the fan could be in jail with a wolf after you just were in a cell with a wolf.

You really gotta work on your timing.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

"Werewolf Fan: Is a normal townie. Really wants to be a werewolf. The marksman cannot kill this player. Cannot kill at night. The detective can see that they belong to the werewolf team, but they have good Aura. Werewolves do not know their identity, and they do not know the identity of the werewolves. If they are attacked by the werewolves then they become a regular werewolf with no powers. Aura: Good."

I pointed out Cole as a wolf from the start. I am obviously not a WW Fan.

 

[TD]

Also am I really posting #124 and there are NO VOTES?

 

[TD]

"Werewolf Fan: Is a normal townie. Really wants to be a werewolf. The marksman cannot kill this player. Cannot kill at night. The detective can see that they belong to the werewolf team, but they have good Aura. Werewolves do not know their identity, and they do not know the identity of the werewolves. If they are attacked by the werewolves then they become a regular werewolf with no powers. Aura: Good."

I pointed out Cole as a wolf from the start. I am obviously not a WW Fan.

I'm not actually saying you ARE, but you should make it clear you're reading role descriptions out loud and just talk about them.

Hence the timing comment.

Speaking of - can anyone validate your claim?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I have no information. Ryan was going to be my next target as a Seer. I have some concerns about the allegencies of Local Hero, but this is apparently his first game, so I don't want to vote him unless it's more clear.

 

[Kat]

The Marksman can kill the Sorcerer, not the fan. I wonder if that works the same with the Warden. Maybe the Fan gets a gun. I can't see them using it. If they shoot a townie, they die, if they shoot a wolf, they lose a future ally.

...did... you just implicate yourself?

I feel like in this case, even a fan would've killed Cole. It's too suspicious otherwise.

Did anyone else notice someone hinting at being the werewolf fan yesterday? Should we even worry about it before they're potentially turned?

 

[Kat]

Personally I'd be willing to lynch Local Hero. Why haven't they said what they did last night yet? They already outed their role, so there's no reason to be stingy with info.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Speaking of - can anyone validate your claim?

What claim? That Cole is a wolf? Marksman kill verified that. Holly verified that she sent me and Cole to jail and provided a weapon which was returned.

Did anyone else notice someone hinting at being the werewolf fan yesterday? Should we even worry about it before they're potentially turned?

Supposedly Vash is... I think that was the implication posted earlier in this thread.

 

[TD]

I feel like in this case, even a fan would've killed Cole. It's too suspicious otherwise.

Did anyone else notice someone hinting at being the werewolf fan yesterday? Should we even worry about it before they're potentially turned?

The only thing I noticed was Vash literally on the first page saying how much he wished he was a wolf over and over, but you also said you protected him and nothing happen.

Other than that nobody else jumped out at me. Unless it was Ryan and that's why he was so insistent on dying to the wolves?

...then you got him first?

 

[Holly]

So if I am understanding correctly, the scenarios that could have ended with no wolf kill:

- They target a player that cannot be killed (the random killer)
- They target the WW Fan and the person is instead turned
- They target a player that was already killed that night
- They target a player that was otherwise protected

 

[TD]

What claim? That Cole is a wolf? Marksman kill verified that. Holly verified that she sent me and Cole to jail and provided a weapon which was returned.

Your spirit seer claim. Why would I be talking about the claim about Cole when we already know that?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Your spirit seer claim. Why would I be talking about the claim about Cole when we already know that?

How else would I know Cole was wolf right from the start?

 

[Kat]

Unless it was Ryan and that's why he was so insistent on dying to the wolves?

...then you got him first?

Hmm, maybe, but he was also trying to get us to lynch him so the wolves couldn't kill him. Although obviously we weren't going to do that. It's possible he was being intentionally sus for that reason, though it's not a good plan long-term.

Vash could be the RK pretending to be the fan? Either way, the wolves can't kill him, and maybe we'd leave him alone if we think he's the fan and hasn't been turned yet.

@Zell 17 if Vash were the RK and the wolves attacked him, would I be notified since I was protecting?

 

[TD]

The only thing I noticed was Vash literally on the first page saying how much he wished he was a wolf over and over, but you also said you protected him and nothing happen.

Other than that nobody else jumped out at me. Unless it was Ryan and that's why he was so insistent on dying to the wolves?

...then you got him first?

Okay wait.

FR claims Cole is the wolf.
Ryan jumps on it to try and get attention because maybe FR does know this and Ryan doesn't actually know.
Ryan makes a whole big deal of it, practically begging the wolves to kill him at night.
The wolves put in a kill for Ryan.
Witch gets him first.

How likely do we think that is?

 

[TD]

How else would I know Cole was wolf right from the start?

Wolf or Sorcerer come to mind.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Wolf or Sorcerer come to mind.

And again... do you REALLY think that Cole would be cool with this kind of self sacrifice play from the start?

 

[Zell 17]

Hmm, maybe, but he was also trying to get us to lynch him so the wolves couldn't kill him. Although obviously we weren't going to do that. It's possible he was being intentionally sus for that reason, though it's not a good plan long-term.

Vash could be the RK pretending to be the fan? Either way, the wolves can't kill him, and maybe we'd leave him alone if we think he's the fan and hasn't been turned yet.

@Zell 17 if Vash were the RK and the wolves attacked him, would I be notified since I was protecting?

It is possible to protect the RK from a wolf attack.

 

[Local Hero]

Personally I'd be willing to lynch Local Hero. Why haven't they said what they did last night yet? They already outed their role, so there's no reason to be stingy with info.

I have hunter at it twice for funsies. Fool is good (his nickname like 15 years ago was Jolt.)

 

[Fool's Requiem]

It is possible to protect the RK from a wolf attack.

That would be tough on the Tough Guy, because he dies at the end of the next day phase. You pretty much need to be careful of clearing someone while also implicating someone in a murder attempt.

 

[Kat]

Okay wait.

FR claims Cole is the wolf.
Ryan jumps on it to try and get attention because maybe FR does know this and Ryan doesn't actually know.
Ryan makes a whole big deal of it, practically begging the wolves to kill him at night.
The wolves put in a kill for Ryan.
Witch gets him first.

How likely do we think that is?

Hmmm it's possible. His behavior was so strange and erratic, and that's all good an explanation as any. It would explain why the wolves used confusion even though it would've been obvious Cole is a wolf regardless; they would know he wasn't a wolf and whatever his role actually was would be useful to us.

If Ryan was the fan, then Vash is lying, and almost certainly the RK. Worst case scenario, he's the fan, and getting rid of him prevents a future wolf. Although ideally I'd like the wolves to use a "kill" on him before we take him out, it might be safest to just get rid of him now.

I vote Vash and no skip.

 

[Local Hero]

Unfortunately, because the Marksman killed Cole before I could, I believe TECHNICALLY, I'm not 100% clear from being a wolf. Which is really what I was hoping could happen.

But again, for me to go right at a wolf right out the gate as another wolf is a really ballsy tactic, and I'm not sure Cole would risk such a play. Logically, I couldn't be a wolf. Factually, I am definitely not a wolf.

Your are, I checked you. You're good

 

[TD]

And again... do you REALLY think that Cole would be cool with this kind of self sacrifice play from the start?

I mean, Cole does seem to have a lot of animosity toward you it seems.

The Sorcerer description does indicate they aren't part of the wolf conversations, they could act rogue.

Claiming a single check as the Spirit Seer is great cover since the Sorcerer can only even check one person and you get their exact role.

Sorcerer would also show up as good to everybody and would never show as red unless you gave up your powers.

On the flip side - now that I'm saying all this out loud, maybe Ryan was the sorcerer.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm going to follow Kat's lead. If THE Local Hero is vouching for me then, I currently have reason to trust him. Voting Vash and Skip.

 

[Kat]

I have hunter at it twice for funsies. Fool is good (his nickname like 15 years ago was Jolt.)

Ohh. Y'all, I am not sober enough to pick up on hints that require remembering things from 15 years ago. I didn't even catch the hint referring to my favorite color.

Still, this proves nothing. If you're a wolf, you would know Fool is being honest and it's a safe claim to check his aura. Same for sorcerer.

I say we lynch local hero or vash. I don't care which.

 

[TD]

Hmmm it's possible. His behavior was so strange and erratic, and that's all good an explanation as any. It would explain why the wolves used confusion even though it would've been obvious Cole is a wolf regardless; they would know he wasn't a wolf and whatever his role actually was would be useful to us.

If Ryan was the fan, then Vash is lying, and almost certainly the RK. Worst case scenario, he's the fan, and getting rid of him prevents a future wolf. Although ideally I'd like the wolves to use a "kill" on him before we take him out, it might be safest to just get rid of him now.

I vote Vash and no skip.

By my count, a solo RK could shoot 3 people or burn 4 people alive at this point.

You're right, that is dangerous. Vash likes to embody his role in these games.

 

[TD]

So I've been imbibing brain altering chemicals tonight and this is a scenario I had NOT expected at all. I'll catch up in the morning. I really expected SOME kind of info lol

So I had just finished saying Vash likes to embody his role.

...is gasoline a brain altering chemical?

 

[Local Hero]

Ohh. Y'all, I am not sober enough to pick up on hints that require remembering things from 15 years ago. I didn't even catch the hint referring to my favorite color.

Still, this proves nothing. If you're a wolf, you would know Fool is being honest and it's a safe claim to check his aura. Same for sorcerer.

I say we lynch local hero or vash. I don't care which.

I don't like your attitude

 

[Holly]

I mean, Cole does seem to have a lot of animosity toward you it seems.

The Sorcerer description does indicate they aren't part of the wolf conversations, they could act rogue.

Claiming a single check as the Spirit Seer is great cover since the Sorcerer can only even check one person and you get their exact role.

Sorcerer would also show up as good to everybody and would never show as red unless you gave up your powers.

On the flip side - now that I'm saying all this out loud, maybe Ryan was the sorcerer.

From my understanding, Cole's animosity largely stems from the dead thread from the first game. There was a fair bit of sodium and not-so-nice things said at the time behind his back. He was none too pleased when the dead forum was opened up and he read what had been said about him.