Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Game 4 Night 2/Day 2

[VashTheStampede]

OKAY I'M BACK TO OVERTHINKING THINGS
cause it's worked so well thus far

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[Smacktard]

I legit reckon we are better off killing Smacktard now but I think the Raposa train is leaving the station

So as soon as I say I'll give you a death potion tonight if your call on Raposa is bullshit, you start to threaten me? Looking like you're sweating pretty hard l. I wonder why you would feel threatened, wolfy?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Lol at town deciding to kill off 2 townies on day 2.

You're not exactly helping

Mr. No Plan

Mr. I Thought Vash Was Claiming Beast Hunter And Didn't Say Anything Even Though I Say I'm Beast Hunter (it's a lot more succinct in the original Klingon)

Mr. I Didn't Say Anything When Fire Queen Implied Beast Hunter (this one is German)

Mr. My Only Rebuttal Is Nuh Uh Where's My Popcorn (Swahili)

What have you been doing each night? Give us something. Otherwise your death is as much on you as the town.

 

[A Punched Face]

I'm not saying that Alu and Benzine lied, although I wouldn't rule it out, nor am I claiming Spirit Seer. I think YOU'RE lying. Alchemist isn't the only potions guy, and if Raposa turns out to be Beast Hunter, you better watch what you imbibe tonight because I'm not letting this game go to the wolves.

Not the only potions guy? If you're claiming witch right now that requires a random role, which did require Benzine to have lied. That would mean he'd have to be a wolf seer (or a wolf seer found it out earlier and communicated it to him prior to their death) because he knew my exact role.

Now, that could be true. Because his original goal was to get me lynched right away with they knowledge. And being able to pinpoint it like that would make it very trustworthy. But once I revealed my target it kind of threw a wrench in that plan (if that was the plan).

 

[Tubby23]

I'm not saying that Alu and Benzine lied, although I wouldn't rule it out, nor am I claiming Spirit Seer. I think YOU'RE lying. Alchemist isn't the only potions guy, and if Raposa turns out to be Beast Hunter, you better watch what you imbibe tonight because I'm not letting this game go to the wolves.

Surely you can see from my viewpoint why you have to be claiming they're lying. I know I'm the beast hunter and by necessity for your claim to be true they have to be lying, the math doesn't work

 

[VashTheStampede]

And we know they had a wolf seer

 

[VashTheStampede]

And his other "target" was conveniently already dead and exposed

 

[Tubby23]

So Alu's telling the truth but Benzine isn't?

 

[Raposuh]

You're not exactly helping

Mr. No Plan

Mr. I Thought Vash Was Claiming Beast Hunter And Didn't Say Anything Even Though I Say I'm Beast Hunter (it's a lot more succinct in the original Klingon)

Mr. I Didn't Say Anything When Fire Queen Implied Beast Hunter (this one is German)

Mr. My Only Rebuttal Is Nuh Uh Where's My Popcorn (Swahili)

What have you been doing each night? Give us something. Otherwise your death is as much on you as the town.

Because none of that really matters, it doesn't change my position because it's still an unverifiable claim. Why should I immediately make myself a target to the wolves because people make a claim I suspect?

If it'll change your mind, I set my trap on myself night one because it's the only sensible play, and that's where it's stayed.

 

[A Punched Face]

But that would also mean only one beast hunter.

So:
Benzine told the truth. Kelly is lying. We have one beast master.

Kelly told the truth, Benzine is lying, we have only one beast master.

They're both lying, we have more than one.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Why should I immediately make myself a target to the wolves because people make a claim I suspect?

To live long enough to worry about being a wolf target.

 

[Tubby23]

What time did you get your message that it successfully activated?

 

[Tubby23]

Question above is for @Raposa

 

[VashTheStampede]

But that would also mean only one beast hunter.

So:
Benzine told the truth. Kelly is lying. We have one beast master.

Kelly told the truth, Benzine is lying, we have only one beast master.

They're both lying, we have more than one.

So that makes the lone man out in musical chairs as Fool, making him a safe lynch today.

 

[Smacktard]

If you're claiming witch right now that requires a random role, which did require Benzine to have lied

Like I said before:
Vash Jailer
Kat spirit seer
Local aura seer
Canadaguy priest (confirmed)

That means there's 2 townie roles left. Either FQ or Raposa is Beast Hunter. But I don't buy for a fucking second that Tubby is. He's been trying to control the narrative, pointing fingers. He called Kat sus even though no one challenged her role and now he has strong-armed me into revealing my role, giving the wolves have a better idea of who I might use my save and death potions on.

Surely you can see from my viewpoint why you have to be claiming they're lying. I know I'm the beast hunter and by necessity for your claim to be true they have to be lying, the math doesn't work

And now you can see from my viewpoint why YOU have to be claiming you're lying -- because I know my role, and I know there's a beast hunter out there somewhere -- but I don't think it's you.

 

[A Punched Face]

So Alu's telling the truth but Benzine isn't?

It's possible. There is another way Benzine could have found that out, and using another role with an explanation for it is a sensible way to make people believe you.

No one has actually checked him on anything to be sure.

 

[A Punched Face]

Also my beast hunter not master for my previous post.

 

[Tubby23]

Yes we took your confirmation as his confirmation.

It's possible. There is another way Benzine could have found that out, and using another role with an explanation for it is a sensible way to make people believe you.

No one has actually checked him on anything to be sure.

 

[A Punched Face]

So that makes the lone man out in musical chairs as Fool, making him a safe lynch today.

Fools only post with information today was that I'm not a wolf, and supposedly through an aura check.

That would require a single beast hunter and everyone else claiming a random role to have lied, yes.

 

[Tubby23]

Like I said before:
Vash Jailer
Kat spirit seer
Local aura seer
Canadaguy priest (confirmed)

That means there's 2 townie roles left. Either FQ or Raposa is Beast Hunter. But I don't buy for a fucking second that Tubby is. He's been trying to control the narrative, pointing fingers. He called Kat sus even though no one challenged her role and now he has strong-armed me into revealing my role, giving the wolves have a better idea of who I might use my save and death potions on.

And now you can see from my viewpoint why YOU have to be claiming you're lying -- because I know my role, and I know there's a beast hunter out there somewhere -- but I don't think it's you.

You've got it so wrong on me, I get your last point but to think either of those two have more veracity in their claims is so wrong.

Good wolf

 

[A Punched Face]

Yes we took your confirmation as his confirmation.

Yup, and that's the problem. If he got the information through some other means then everyone assumes he's safe. Basically all the required townie roles have been revealed now. It would be as simple as going through those at night and leaving the unconfirmed roles out there fighting eachother.

 

[Tubby23]

Fools only post with information today was that I'm not a wolf, and supposedly through an aura check.

That would require a single beast hunter and everyone else claiming a random role to have lied, yes.

Fool
Kelly
FQ

Any one of those is a better lynch than Raposa, and I'll willing change to any of those

 

[Kat]

Night 3 will make or break this story right? Either someone else gets a potion and can confirm the alchemists existence. Or Kat/FR receive a second potion to finish the job

Uh or we could kill the RK tonight and NOT prove my innocence by getting me killed.

What time did you get your message that it successfully activated?

Nice ploy, and I know you're limited on options, but I think this violates the spirit of the "don't share my PMs" rule. Even though you don't have a real time to share.

If Benzine is lying then it's a great move.

 

[Smacktard]

Again, statistically speaking, you're the safest bet for lynching. Don't take it personally, but of the statistically HIGHLY IMPROBABLE chance that THREE beast hunters total were drawn:
Raposa was watered, and so not a wolf
FQ had his spirit checked, and so not a wolf
You weren't checked in ANY way by anyone

One of these is your beast hunter, one of these is your SK, and one of these is your wolf.

 

[A Punched Face]

Another fun thought:

Kat actually is spirit seer
Fool is a wolf
Benzine is instigator

Seer got knowledge on me, fool found out and communicated to that team. Benzine used it to make the play.

Now we have no way of knowing if this is real until someone else gets a potion or one of them dies. But, an easy solution is lynching fool.

Fool seems pretty likely a wolf at this point through process of elimination and lack of information. If he's also been instigated, then the other instigated person will die at the same time.


Changing my vote to Fool.

 

[A Punched Face]

If he hasn't been instigated we end up in the situation where it's likely the alchemist but we've lynched a wolf.

 

[Tubby23]

Again, statistically speaking, you're the safest bet for lynching. Don't take it personally, but of the statistically HIGHLY IMPROBABLE chance that THREE beast hunters total were drawn:
Raposa was watered, and so not a wolf
FQ had his spirit checked, and so not a wolf
You weren't checked in ANY way by anyone

One of these is your beast hunter, one of these is your SK, and one of these is your wolf.

Oh I'm not stressed in anyway about it being personally it's a fun game and it's great to actually get to play it with a decent role for once.

I just know you're so wrong that either you've read it really badly or you're a wolf. I think the latter is more likely

 

[Local Hero]

Uh or we could kill the RK tonight and NOT prove my innocence by getting me killed.


Nice ploy, and I know you're limited on options, but I think this violates the spirit of the "don't share my PMs" rule. Even though you don't have a real time to share.

If Benzine is lying then it's a great move.

As others have said, Benzine lying would be a great move. Also a huge gamble, because wolves would have to roll the dice on what type of solo team role Alu is, right?

 

[A Punched Face]

As others have said, Benzine lying would be a great move. Also a huge gamble, because wolves would have to roll the dice on what type of solo team role Alu is, right?

Wolf seer tells you the exact role, I believe.

 

[Tubby23]

Wolf seer tells you the exact role, I believe.

Can confirm from role description and having that role previous game you get the exact info

 

[Local Hero]

Wolf seer tells you the exact role, I believe.

So many roles. You're right

 

[Tubby23]

The wolves potentially stood to know exactly what Alu's role was and Benzine used it to advantage

That said

Vote Fool's Requiem

 

[VashTheStampede]

Another fun thought:

Kat actually is spirit seer
Fool is a wolf
Benzine is instigator

Seer got knowledge on me, fool found out and communicated to that team. Benzine used it to make the play.

Now we have no way of knowing if this is real until someone else gets a potion or one of them dies. But, an easy solution is lynching fool.

Fool seems pretty likely a wolf at this point through process of elimination and lack of information. If he's also been instigated, then the other instigated person will die at the same time.


Changing my vote to Fool.

Only issue with this nightmare scenario is if Fool dies, the other pawn dies, and the Instigator gets to kill a townie at night.

 

[Local Hero]

Instigator role here:
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Instigator: During the first night, a random villager and a random wolf be be selected to be recruited by the instigator. These players can no longer win with their original teams and can only win with the instigator. The instigator and their recruits can communicate privately and will know each other's roles. The instigator CAN be killed by the wolves at night. If one recruit dies, the other will die as well. If the instigator's recruits die, they will gain the ability to kill any villager they choose at night. The instigator wins if they or their recruits are the only surviving players. Aura: Unknown
-----
It is plausible the instigator (Fool) rolled a recruit (Kat). Kat was talking about options very early, day 1 I believe. Then Fool talked about it day 2.

I find this most convincing because no one has died yet. Why would the alchemist not hand out a killing potion by now?

If anyone else likes this plan, I'm willing to switch to Fool's Requiem

 

[A Punched Face]

And we can't forget we have a role who wins by getting a specific person lynched, so random lynching is a bit dangerous, though not super likely to end the game at this point.

Just throwing the end of this Kat post from day 1 out there. It stuck out to me as odd that she'd know specifically which type of random voter role there was at that point, since nothing had been revealed to suggest it wasn't the fool.

Food for thought. Still think lynching a sure bet is the right call today.

 

[Kat]

You know what, Benzine has to be lying.

We have a red lady and extra priest confirmed. That means there's one optional role left.

Either Raposa or FQ is a townie, because they're both definitely not wolves.

Therefore there is no way Benzine is bell ringer.

 

[Local Hero]

You know what, Benzine has to be lying.

We have a red lady and extra priest confirmed. That means there's one optional role left.

Either Raposa or FQ is a townie, because they're both definitely not wolves.

Therefore there is no way Benzine is bell ringer.

Have you spirit checked Raposa? I think you said you had checked FQ and it came back blue

 

[VashTheStampede]

My only issue with all this, if true, is:

Where the fuck was this Benzine when we were wolves together?

 

[Local Hero]

Have you spirit checked Raposa? I think you said you had checked FQ and it came back blue

And are you saying Tubby is definitely a beast hunter too?

(Also have you been investigated? )

 

[Local Hero]

My only issue with all this, if true, is:

Where the fuck was this Benzine when we were wolves together?

I think Benzine playing this master hand requires a smart wolf team, which you evidently didn't have

 

[VashTheStampede]

Don't remember where my vote is but I'm on Fool's

 

[Kat]

Just throwing the end of this Kat post from day 1 out there. It stuck out to me as odd that she'd know specifically which type of random voter role there was at that point, since nothing had been revealed to suggest it wasn't the fool.

Food for thought. Still think lynching a sure bet is the right call today.

I didn't know which random voter there was. Fool wins by getting themselves lynched, head hunter wins by getting their target lynched. Therefore there is a role which wins by getting a person (potentially themselves) lynched.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I think Benzine playing this master hand requires a smart wolf team, which you evidently didn't have

I have never claimed to be good at this game.

Quite the opposite lol

 

[Kat]

Have you spirit checked Raposa? I think you said you had checked FQ and it came back blue

No, but Tommy watered Raposa. Even if you trust nobody, Raposa is definitely not a wolf.

 

[Raposuh]

I think Benzine playing this master hand requires a smart wolf team, which you evidently didn't have

 

[Local Hero]

No, but Tommy watered Raposa. Even if you trust nobody, Raposa is definitely not a wolf.

Good point.

I guess I switch for my boy Fool's Requiem and hopefully get a two for one special via instigator

 

[Raposuh]

I also vote for Fool's Requiem.

I will whore my vote out for anybody, please don't lynch me. Fool, get a bandwagon going on somebody.

Shit I'll vote for Local @A Torx Screw let's get nuts

 

[Raposuh]

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yo Raposa, you lay any traps last night?

 

[Local Hero]

Shit I'll vote for Local @A Torx Screw let's get nuts