Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Game 4 Night 2/Day 2

[VashTheStampede]

Thank you Alchemist

 

[VashTheStampede]

I have to train a new guy today so I'm not gonna be near as active as I usually am on a work day

 

[Zell 17]

Thank you Alchemist

I think after this game I'm gonna have to have a RK convention where we explain that the goal is to kill villagers

 

[Kat]

Look at who voted for Raposa, Benzine is suspected of lying about Bell ringer and voted for Raposa.

I'm leaving towards FQ again.

I vote @Fire Queen

It's possible Raposa and FQ are both beast hunters if Benzine is lying. The alchemist could be the fourth person in my list of baddies.

Who do we think would let me live today and kill Fool? Any ideas?

 

[Raposuh]

just woke up! my trap is right where i left it outside my house. did i miss anything *sees the corpse of FR* oh. well then

keeping my vote where it is

I'll change my vote if you change yours.

 

[Local Hero]

It's possible Raposa and FQ are both beast hunters if Benzine is lying. The alchemist could be the fourth person in my list of baddies.

Who do we think would let me live today and kill Fool? Any ideas?

Someone who was hoping we would lunch you for being sus, probably

 

[Kat]

Someone who was hoping we would lunch you for being sus, probably

Yeah, agreed. Or maybe they believed me to be guilty and were trying to take out townies. Chances are they gave Cole a red potion last night, which is an interesting choice.

 

[A Punched Face]

Okay. So.

If we believe Kelly, then Benzine is a liar and should be set on fire. If we lynch Benzine, and it turns out Kelly was lying, Kelly is doomed.

The alchemist can kill up to 2 tonight (kat + random), the wolves get one (assuming no double shot between the wolves and the other RK kill). It'll take 3 killings to kill the 2 wolves. So unless Kelly is telling the truth and can potion someone to death, and Vash takes someone out who is a baddie, we have at least 3 more days (after today) to lynch em all to death.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm sure it could EASILY be a coincidence but FQ getting up and online at about the same time Fool's died makes me think she could have poisoned him after she got up yesterday?

fire queen is my vote atm

 

[Raposuh]

I have to train a new guy today so I'm not gonna be near as active as I usually am on a work day

Just get him to join the forum and tell him it's training.

 

[VashTheStampede]

GUYS FOOLS IS GAGGING AND VOMITING EVERYONE SKIP

ALSO BTW I WAS JOKING OMG

 

[Local Hero]

I have to train a new guy today so I'm not gonna be near as active as I usually am on a work day

 

[Kat]

I'm sure it could EASILY be a coincidence but FQ getting up and online at about the same time Fool's died makes me think she could have poisoned him after she got up yesterday?

fire queen is my vote atm

The time of the potion kicking in is random, Zell said. It doesn't indicate when the potion was used.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yeah but Zell was a wolf last game I can't trust him

 

[Raposuh]

Zells the true evil here, locking us in this town full of werewolves day after day.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Oh while I'm thinking about it:

@canadaguy the reason I found it ironic that you were marking all my posts as sus earlier is because you started doing it right after I told Zell I wanted to jail you to protect an obvious townie after you used your ability

I had a Marvel Snap anecdote all queued up to send you in prison and everything

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also Smacktard and Raposa called my hilarious post sus, they're evil. Smacks is a wolf and Kit is an Alkitmist.

Case closed game solved gg no re

 

[VashTheStampede]

LOCAL GODDAMNIT

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Fire Queen - 3 (Raposa, Local Hero, VashTheStampede)
Raposa - 3 (Fire Queen, canadaguy, Benzine)
Benzine - 2 (Kat, Tubby23)
Tubby23 - 1 (Smacktard)

No vote - 1 (Alu)

Votes to skip (9 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 11 (Alu, canadaguy, Fire Queen, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, Smacktard, Tubby23, VashTheStampede

 

[Kat]

Okay. So.

If we believe Kelly, then Benzine is a liar and should be set on fire. If we lynch Benzine, and it turns out Kelly was lying, Kelly is doomed.

The alchemist can kill up to 2 tonight (kat + random), the wolves get one (assuming no double shot between the wolves and the other RK kill). It'll take 3 killings to kill the 2 wolves. So unless Kelly is telling the truth and can potion someone to death, and Vash takes someone out who is a baddie, we have at least 3 more days (after today) to lynch em all to death.

Wolves might be able to kill two tonight, depending on the other mystery role.

The wolves are two of these three: tubby, Benzine, Smack. We should lynch tubby or Benzine and if Smack doesn't kill the other, we lynch Smack. I guess jailer can take their chances with FQ or Raposa?

 

[Local Hero]

Wolves might be able to kill two tonight, depending on the other mystery role.

The wolves are two of these three: tubby, Benzine, Smack. We should lynch tubby or Benzine and if Smack doesn't kill the other, we lynch Smack. I guess jailer can take their chances with FQ or Raposa?

Is it 100% (or close to it) that Benzine lied and is a wolf?

I'm feeling more confident about this than Kelly lying.

 

[Local Hero]

Changing vote to Benzine

 

[Smacktard]

Is it 100% (or close to it) that Benzine lied and is a wolf?

If he did lie, there's the possibility that Alu is lying too and there's a different solo voter role out there.

The wolves are two of these three: tubby, Benzine, Smack. We should lynch tubby or Benzine and if Smack doesn't kill the other, we lynch Smack

I'm okay with this.

 

[A Punched Face]

Is it 100% (or close to it) that Benzine lied and is a wolf?

I'm feeling more confident about this than Kelly lying.

If Kelly is telling the truth, Benzine lied.

That there were two seers on the wolf side increases the chances they'd have targeted me and discovered my role. Benzine would have needed to target both me and Cole on the same night...which actually isn't a crazy move to be fair. But it's less likely than one of the two seers trying to find out what my role was

 

[Kat]

Is it 100% (or close to it) that Benzine lied and is a wolf?

I'm feeling more confident about this than Kelly lying.

The wolves had at least two seers for two nights. It makes it more likely they could've gotten Alu's role. If they did, that'd be an excellent way to put the info to use. It's possible Benzine is legit.

Do you want to coordinate seer checks or are we worried about a possible shaman faking auras? There's still one unknown role.

 

[A Punched Face]

If he did lie, there's the possibility that Alu is lying too and there's a different solo voter role out there.

I'm okay with this.

So in the first scenario here, Benzine lied and I'm also a wolf? That would have been a bad move on his part with him trying to lynch me off the bat. Would have come back as something other than the very definitive "head hunter" and proved him a liar right there.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Voting no one right at the moment.

 

[Kat]

We shouldn't lynch Kelly today because he'll prove himself one way or another tonight. If he is honest, he'll take out a wolf for us. If not, at least that's one we'll know for sure tomorrow

 

[A Punched Face]

Also, not knowing my target, it would have made perfect sense for the town to try and get rid of me right away even without Benzine leading the charge, which also would have led to Benzine being outed as a liar.

 

[canadaguy]

Oh while I'm thinking about it:

@canadaguy the reason I found it ironic that you were marking all my posts as sus earlier is because you started doing it right after I told Zell I wanted to jail you to protect an obvious townie after you used your ability

I had a Marvel Snap anecdote all queued up to send you in prison and everything

 

[Kat]

Also, not knowing my target, it would have made perfect sense for the town to try and get rid of me right away even without Benzine leading the charge, which also would have led to Benzine being outed as a liar.

I'm still not convinced this would have done any good. Your win conditions don't say you have to be alive, just that your target must be lynched.

@Zell 17 does head hunter have to be alive to win?

 

[Zell 17]

I'm still not convinced this would have done any good. Your win conditions don't say you have to be alive, just that your target must be lynched.

@Zell 17 does head hunter have to be alive to win?

Yes

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Benzine - 3 (Kat, Tubby23, Local Hero)
Raposa - 3 (Fire Queen, canadaguy, Benzine)
Fire Queen - 2 (Raposa, Local Hero)
Tubby23 - 1 (Smacktard)

No vote - 1 (Alu, VashTheStampede)

Votes to skip (9 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 11 (Alu, canadaguy, Fire Queen, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, Smacktard, Tubby23, VashTheStampede

 

[Smacktard]

So in the first scenario here, Benzine lied and I'm also a wolf? That would have been a bad move on his part with him trying to lynch me off the bat.

I never said you'd have to be a wolf to go along with his lie.

Also, not knowing my target, it would have made perfect sense for the town to try and get rid of me right away

Why? It's logical to look for the person you immediately went after first thing yesterday -- Local. With so many things that could go wrong (you dying, Local dying, Local proving his important role), it's not a move that you wait until round 3 to make.

 

[A Punched Face]

I'm going to vote Benzine at this point. Hoping Kelly is the truthful one here...

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 does head hunter have to be alive to win?

One other thing to note. The headhunter is considered "non-town" if their target is alive. So if the wolves win and the hh target lives, the headhunter would get 1 point in the standings. If the headhunter target dies they become a villager, full stop.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Benzine - 4 (Kat, Tubby23, Local Hero, Alu)
Raposa - 3 (Fire Queen, canadaguy, Benzine)
Fire Queen - 1 (Raposa)
Tubby23 - 1 (Smacktard)

No vote - 1 (VashTheStampede)

Votes to skip (9 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 9 (Alu, canadaguy, Fire Queen, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, Smacktard, Tubby23, VashTheStampede

 

[A Punched Face]

I never said you'd have to be a wolf to go along with his lie.

Why? It's logical to look for the person you immediately went after first thing yesterday -- Local. With so many things that could go wrong (you dying, Local dying, Local proving his important role), it's not a move that you wait until round 3 to make.

Oddly enough, my vote for Local was made in response to Local voting for me on day 1. Everything almost lined up perfectly on that front lol

 

[Local Hero]

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Benzine - 3 (Kat, Tubby23, Local Hero)
Raposa - 3 (Fire Queen, canadaguy, Benzine)
Fire Queen - 2 (Raposa, Local Hero)
Tubby23 - 1 (Smacktard)

No vote - 1 (Alu, VashTheStampede)

Votes to skip (9 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 11 (Alu, canadaguy, Fire Queen, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, Smacktard, Tubby23, VashTheStampede

I'm so good I get two votes

 

[A Punched Face]

But again, Benzine outed me and then immediately voted for me, and at least one other person did until I said who my target was. Up until that point, I was on a path to being lynched. If I were lying about being head hunter and was lynched, Benzine is immediate next target.

Outing me as a player that people want to get out of the game is not a smart move unless you know for sure that I'm that role.

 

[Local Hero]

One other thing to note. The headhunter is considered "non-town" if their target is alive. So if the wolves win and the hh target lives, the headhunter would get 1 point in the standings. If the headhunter target dies they become a villager, full stop.

Kill Alu so he wins? Or leave him alive so he loses

 

[Kat]

Local do you want to coordinate seer checks or no? I have to work soon and I might not get a chance to check this again before it closes.

 

[Smacktard]

Oddly enough, my vote for Local was made in response to Local voting for me on day 1. Everything almost lined up perfectly on that front lol

That's actually pretty interesting. I didn't look for that. In that case, there IS a possibility that your vote for Local was a fake-out but it seems like just a coincidence, so I think you're being trustworthy.

Just one thing though -- if Benzine were lying, and he IS a wolf, what would he gain from announcing your role if he didn't know who your target was? It seems like it would just lower the pool of sus peeps.

Sorry if I'm not being articulate, I'm writing this between sets at the gym.

 

[Local Hero]

Local do you want to coordinate seer checks or no? I have to work soon and I might not get a chance to check this again before it closes.

Sure. I'll check Tubby?

 

[Zell 17]

Kill Alu so he wins? Or leave him alive so he loses

If the headhunter dies, they are counted forever as non-town (for point purposes) if their target was alive at the time they died. If their target was dead, they are counted as town. The headhunter can't be revived, and will always show as a solo team to detectives and whatnot regardless of the status of their target.

Okay, think I covered all of the conditionals.

 

[Kat]

Kill Alu so he wins? Or leave him alive so he loses

His target has to die, not him, so unless you're volunteering...

 

[A Punched Face]

Kill Alu so he wins? Or leave him alive so he loses

So you want to kill me and let the wolves win the game? I don't think I get a point if I'm dead and the wolves win. Only if the wolves win and you and I are both alive. I get a village win if you die by the wolves. I get a big win if for some reason people lynch you.

Otherwise I just lose.

 

[Local Hero]

That's actually pretty interesting. I didn't look for that. In that case, there IS a possibility that your vote for Local was a fake-out but it seems like just a coincidence, so I think you're being trustworthy.

Just one thing though -- if Benzine were lying, and he IS a wolf, what would he gain from announcing your role if he didn't know who your target was? It seems like it would just lower the pool of sus peeps.

Sorry if I'm not being articulate, I'm writing this between sets at the gym.

I'd recognize that fuzzy knee anywhere

 

[Kat]

His target has to die, not him, so unless you're volunteering...

Nevermind, apparently him dying does also count for a point.

 

[Zell 17]

Basically the headhunter is supposed to be incentivized to help the evils for as long as their target lives.