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Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Game 4 Night 2/Day 2
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Votes to lynch (5 required):
Raposa - 4 (VashTheStampede, Fire Queen, canadaguy, Local Hero
Fire Queen - 2 (Kat, Tubby23)
Tubby23 - 2 (Benzine, Alu)
VashTheStampede - 1 (Raposa)
No vote - 2 (Fool's Requiem, Smacktard)
Votes to skip (10 required):
Skip - 1 (Benzine)
No vote - 11 (Alu, canadaguy, Fire Queen, Fool's Requiem, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede
Raposa - 4 (VashTheStampede, Fire Queen, canadaguy, Local Hero
Fire Queen - 2 (Kat, Tubby23)
Tubby23 - 2 (Benzine, Alu)
VashTheStampede - 1 (Raposa)
No vote - 2 (Fool's Requiem, Smacktard)
Votes to skip (10 required):
Skip - 1 (Benzine)
No vote - 11 (Alu, canadaguy, Fire Queen, Fool's Requiem, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede
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Unless Benzine is a second wolf seer and knew Alu’s role.
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The New Zealand Gambit
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The long awaited sequel to the Queens Gambit has finally arrived. The gambit is trying to figure out what kind of kiwi you're being fed.
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I will go head to head with you on this. If there is one beast hunter in this game it's me and only me.well in that case we should be super suspicious about everybody claiming it who's not me. like i said anyone who wants to test my claims is welcome to visit tonight! and the bad guys shouldn’t let me die today or else you’ll look really bad
There has to be two or you have to be telling lies
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| Role | Player | Status |
| Aura Seer | Local Hero | Confirmed |
| Spirit Seer | Kat | ? |
| Beast Hunter | Tubby23 | Confirmed |
| Jailer | Vash | Confirmed |
| Priest | canadaguy | Confirmed |
| Bell Ringer | Benzine | Confirmed |
| Alpha Wolf | Smacktard | ? |
| Random Wolf | Fire Queen | ? |
| Random Wolf | Fool's Req | ? |
| Alchemist | Raposa | ? |
| Head Hunter | Alu | Confirmed |
This is how I see it currently, Kat I still have some level of doubt on and she could I suppose be a wolf. I fully believe Fire Queen is a wolf but one that's not fully aligned given they came back blue on Night 0 check.
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I've gone through the thread quickly and will change my vote to Raposa I guess, that does seem to be the consensus. It was my lean before and part of me is still there, but after the holy water thing it's pretty limiting to what roles Raposa is. But with the way the game is played out, what the fuck am I meant to say? I'll be back to actually vote, but I have more to sorta bring attention back to that I don't want us to ignore.
This idea is fucken cracked and terrifying. This could be real with how few potions have been claimed.
The alternative is that the other potions were attempted to be given to people who died? Like maybe Jawneh or Ants got a potion on the first night? That's not information that would be shared to us. But then on the second night, does Cole get one too? I actually fully believe that would be the case (that Cole would get a potion), leaving us with a situation where two people legitimately have potions, instead of more. And, both of the people with potions got potions that don't kill them. Although, I'd easily believe that Cole gets given the killing potion.
There's something about being a "dead man walking" or otherwise... the lowest option? When you don't fear death, or are basically already dead, the game feels so much freer. Even my death will help in it's own way, and be the best way/least amount of loss to do it out of all the village faction.
After I read what Alu said here and thought about it myself, it actually made me think of Kat. Because when Kat said that she had been given a potion, I just believed her, and believed that she was good too. I think because when I'm in that situation I'm the same, and admit as much. So when I read about the instigator idea, shortly followed by Alu's other statement, I realise I'm being too lenient on Kat.
Not that that necessarily changes much for me, I just need to be more open minded, and thought I'd contribute what I can.
I want this paragraph to be about my final thoughts about what I think the state of the solo killer is at the moment. I thought I'd be saying I still think it's more likely the alchemist... But the thoughts of lack of death and the numbers are lining up well are making it hard for me to type that.
I kinda want to vote for Alu on principle, for hurting my brain. I'm just gonna have to think more on it before I vote. But we need to kill a bad guy badly today. Just fess up!
This idea is fucken cracked and terrifying. This could be real with how few potions have been claimed.
The alternative is that the other potions were attempted to be given to people who died? Like maybe Jawneh or Ants got a potion on the first night? That's not information that would be shared to us. But then on the second night, does Cole get one too? I actually fully believe that would be the case (that Cole would get a potion), leaving us with a situation where two people legitimately have potions, instead of more. And, both of the people with potions got potions that don't kill them. Although, I'd easily believe that Cole gets given the killing potion.
There's something about being a "dead man walking" or otherwise... the lowest option? When you don't fear death, or are basically already dead, the game feels so much freer. Even my death will help in it's own way, and be the best way/least amount of loss to do it out of all the village faction.
After I read what Alu said here and thought about it myself, it actually made me think of Kat. Because when Kat said that she had been given a potion, I just believed her, and believed that she was good too. I think because when I'm in that situation I'm the same, and admit as much. So when I read about the instigator idea, shortly followed by Alu's other statement, I realise I'm being too lenient on Kat.
Not that that necessarily changes much for me, I just need to be more open minded, and thought I'd contribute what I can.
I want this paragraph to be about my final thoughts about what I think the state of the solo killer is at the moment. I thought I'd be saying I still think it's more likely the alchemist... But the thoughts of lack of death and the numbers are lining up well are making it hard for me to type that.
I kinda want to vote for Alu on principle, for hurting my brain. I'm just gonna have to think more on it before I vote. But we need to kill a bad guy badly today. Just fess up!
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Further there has only been two players claim potions, neither of whom are cleared in anyway. One is Kat, one is Fool's Requiem. I think it's time to consider that we may not have an alchemist and have instead been led astray by two wolves. I'm not saying it is the case but it isn't something that we have given a lot of consideration to.
I know I'm the Beast Hunter and that FQ is not and as LH has just pointed out has an unknown aura. She needs to be everyone's vote IMO. Then I'm pretty certain FR is also a wolf role unknown. Then for me it comes down to is Kat or Smacktard the final wolf. If we find that the Alchemist stuff was a lie we should assume that Kat is a wolf and FR went with his claim about a potion to back her up. If Raposa truly is an alchemist when lynched tonight we are still trying to pick between Kelly and Kat.
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I finally logged in on PC and the joy of tables was unlocked to me. As a person who lives in Excel what a delight that I can copy and paste from Excel to the chat box and post tables.Also don't forget FQ is aura unknown as well.
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Votes to lynch (5 required):
Raposa - 4 (VashTheStampede, Fire Queen, canadaguy, Local Hero
Fire Queen - 3 (Kat, Tubby23, Raposa)
Tubby23 - 2 (Benzine, Alu)
No vote - 2 (Fool's Requiem, Smacktard)
Votes to skip (10 required):
Skip - 1 (Benzine)
No vote - 11 (Alu, canadaguy, Fire Queen, Fool's Requiem, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede
Raposa - 4 (VashTheStampede, Fire Queen, canadaguy, Local Hero
Fire Queen - 3 (Kat, Tubby23, Raposa)
Tubby23 - 2 (Benzine, Alu)
No vote - 2 (Fool's Requiem, Smacktard)
Votes to skip (10 required):
Skip - 1 (Benzine)
No vote - 11 (Alu, canadaguy, Fire Queen, Fool's Requiem, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede
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Okay guys I'm trying to get caught up but I may have missed something after reading 400 posts before 8am, so no bully pls.
I'm choosing to believe that this was genuinely mistake, and not that you and kut were in cahoots to give you narrative control of the game.
Something came up at work mid-post, will continue later, wrt Raposa and FQ being sus
I think this we can agree on. Fool and Kat both claimed potions. Still, it's strange that neither potion was the killing potion (apparently). Wouldn't it be in the alchemist's best interest to kill as many as quickly as possible?
Convenient that you checked two people whose roles are definitely known to everyone.
Dude what? I made a point of saying I wouldn't vote for my polybros, and this is how you repay me? I didn't vote for you day 1. I didn't vote for anyone day 1. I just said that Kat was a little bit suspicious by being the only person to claim one potion.
I'm choosing to believe that this was genuinely mistake, and not that you and kut were in cahoots to give you narrative control of the game.
Something came up at work mid-post, will continue later, wrt Raposa and FQ being sus
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Weird, I found it quite inconvenient! Especially after picking Jawneh the first night. Luckily no evil people claimed spirit seer, so at least I lucked out there.
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If you believe I'm spirit seer, then FQ is not a wolf. There's no unknown aura wolf who doesn't get a red aura when the wolves kill.
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I'm saying your idea is sound, I'm still not fully sold on what you've claimed. Because I feel there is shenanigans afoot and I have listed those that I think are confirmed.
There's four wolf roles and I have those three plus you in the box seat for it. You're speaking the most logic in relation to your role.
FQ, unless I have been fully bamboozled by Benzine, is talking crap about their role. There isn't room for a second Beast hunter based on roles claimed and confirmed and I know that I am the beast hunter.
Fool jumped on the I got a potion locomotion but outside that has contributed little info of value and I think is a wolf.
So either it's you/Kelly, FQ and FR or it's FR, Alu and Benzine. At this stage I lean towards the former.
It's fully possible that either Ants/Jawneh got one night 1 and Coleman on night 2.
Night 3 will make or break this story right? Either someone else gets a potion and can confirm the alchemists existence. Or Kat/FR receive a second potion to finish the job (this scenario obviously has to wait for some time into the day to complete). If neither of these happen then some serious doubt starts to rise about the nature of the RK
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That's a good point actually.
I think you're making a mistake killing Kit, but the bandwagon has chosen. I can only speak for myself and I know I'm not a wolf.
I think FQ COULD be the alchemist. She's been shady about her role, and two other people claimed beast hunter. If my math is correct, *grabs calculator* it would be very unlikely that three beast hunters were selected at random.
That's true, but it would be very unlikely.
So you're targetting the bell ringer and the headhunter despite them confirming their roles (Benzine by ousting Alu and Alu by admitting his strategy was pretty much toast)...
There's also the possibility that you're lying about being beast hunter.
I don't know what to make of this all. It's kind of grown to the point where I don't know whose roles I can trust for sure.
All I know is that no one countered the following claims:
Vash Jailer
Kat spirit seer
Local aura seer
Canadaguy priest (confirmed)
These four are the four I trust the most.
The following seem to be telling the truth:
Benzine (bell ringer)
Alu (headhunter)
So we're left with...
Kit (confirmed NOT wolf)
Tubby
FQ (non-kill aura)
FR
I'd be okay with revealing my role at the right time, but I don't want to do it now because I think revealing it could put us at a disadvantage.
Kit, Tubby, and FQ all claimed to be beast hunters. Statistically speaking, Tubby is most likely to be the wolf or the alchemist -- we know that FQ and Kit aren't wolves, and there's no way all three of them are beast hunters.
So, I vote Tubby.
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I'm not targetting Alu and Benzine at all, I'm targetting you lot of wolves.
But the only other thing that makes logical sense (if things don't fall as expected) given the claimed roles etc is that those two lied. To be clear I don't think that is what has happened.
If you vote me out I will guarantee that I am a Beast Hunter.
But the only other thing that makes logical sense (if things don't fall as expected) given the claimed roles etc is that those two lied. To be clear I don't think that is what has happened.
If you vote me out I will guarantee that I am a Beast Hunter.
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Okay yes, maybe "targetting" isn't the correct word, but casting doubt on their claims. It seems illogical that they would be in cahoots since just one check would sink them both and eliminate half the wolf team.
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I agree it's illogical but I'd what we all think logically went on turns out to be false, they to me seem the next most likely pairing.
They're cleared by each other only and while Indo believe Alu's claim re: slipping up in a meeting by posting his target he's also pretty intelligent and could be big braining us all. Again this is only if the logical conclusion we have all come to is wrong.
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Well one of you, Kit, or FQ are definitely lying because there's no fuggin way there's THREE beast hunters.
So I see you voted for FQ. What's your logic?
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They're the most insistent about being a Beast Hunter when it's not possible based on our current assumptions. Therefore I voted for them
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...I mean, you and Kit are pretty insistent on being beast hunters too, no?
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I am and know that I am one, FQ is more insistent than Kit who has semi given up the ruse
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Yeah, revealing your role as a wolf would definitely put you at a disadvantage.
There's only so many seats on the townie bus and I'm not seeing any space left for you to sit down.
I'm totally fine with jailing and killing Raposa tonight to get the RK off the board. I really like the idea of getting a wolf out of the game today.
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Go ahead and get Local to check me then. I don't want to reveal my role until tomorrow because it could make me or another useful townie a target.
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Unless you're claiming Spirit Seer you can't be a villager, or you're saying that Alu and Benzine lied
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I ain't given up shit, it's just sleep in time.
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I'm not saying that Alu and Benzine lied, although I wouldn't rule it out, nor am I claiming Spirit Seer. I think YOU'RE lying. Alchemist isn't the only potions guy, and if Raposa turns out to be Beast Hunter, you better watch what you imbibe tonight because I'm not letting this game go to the wolves.
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I legit reckon we are better off killing Smacktard now but I think the Raposa train is leaving the station
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