Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell’s Game 5 Night 2 / Day 2

[TD]

Holly's gif post makes sense now, it said "new post" in a flower. I honestly didn't even pick that one up.

Well, I'm off to go overanalyze everyone's gifs from Day 1.

 

[Benzine]

Wolves couldn't night kill Ants.

If Shadow Wolf does a thing, Ants is an obvious target for a shadow lynch.

Obviously that doesn't matter NOW, but neither does this whole discussion because Holly's dead too.

Currently.

With that being the situation why would the wolves lynch Ants?

This conversation does kinda matter, we need to decide as a group who we would all lynch right now when the shadow votes start.

There are 13 players. 4 wolves, who get 8 vote power which will all go to the same person. 1 solo killer who may well be in love with a wolf and give them 9 votes. I would WAY rather the group of us decide whoever the most guilty looking person is AND QUICKLY, because the shadow power could start at any moment.

I think pretty much all of us are here and ready the thread but I am going to tag @Ben so he sees this too as he's not been in the thread.

And any thoughts on who you think we should vote for and then we need to agree who we are going to vote for when it's shadow voting time.

I am happy with Tubby or shortkut right now. Hopefully someone has something worthwhile to add.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Which would be who?

Any outed role that takes more than a single night kill to remove (or just can't be night killed).

This is also why it might not be a great idea for everyone to start blabbing roles.

 

[Benzine]

Actually, I'm also okay with the person we would vote for in the dark to be Vash too.

As long as it's not any of the people on my safe(r) list.

 

[VashTheStampede]

With that being the situation why would the wolves lynch Ants?

Well because they can't kill him at night and his death will straight up out either one of them or the RK as long as the medium lives. Odds are he outs a wolf.

 

[shortkut]

Voting @Benzine - he seems to have put a lot of thought into how he would use shadow wolf power

 

[Benzine]

Well because they can't kill him at night and his death will straight up out either one of them or the RK as long as the medium lives. Odds are he outs a wolf.

Absolutely, so the FG would definitely protect Ants, so they wouldn't vote Ants.

 

[Tubby23]

It's funny Benzine mentioned waking up, because I was out to sleep last night and didn't get the results of my check.

Very convenient set of circumstances for the wolves to keep me alive and push attention my way.

 

[Jawneh]

Also another reason to use the shadow wolf is when Ants' sexcapade is brought to light, they might try to make sure that wolf survives a lynching.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Absolutely, so the FG would definitely protect Ants, so they wouldn't vote Ants.

Which is why they killed Holly!!!

We are agreeing, man!!!

 

[Benzine]

Voting @Benzine - he seems to have put a lot of thought into how he would use shadow wolf power

By saying the most obvious option the wolves would take with using this power? This must be a joke vote.

I'd love to hear a solution to the shadow wolf problem offered by you?

 

[shortkut]

By saying the most obvious option the wolves would take with using this power? This must be a joke vote.

I'd love to hear a solution to the shadow wolf problem offered by you?

It might be a joke vote since we have unlimited vote changes, but it also might not. Crikey, I’m not sure who I would change my vote to if no one else comes across as suspicious, but I wanted to give everyone time to post and also create a conversation starter myself

 

[VashTheStampede]

Voting @Benzine - he seems to have put a lot of thought into how he would use shadow wolf power

Might as well vote for me then, because that's the main thing I've been focusing on.

It's our biggest immediate threat IMO.

 

[Jawneh]

Might as well vote for me then

Deal.

Voting Vash.

 

[Benzine]

Might as well vote for me then, because that's the main thing I've been focusing on.

It's our biggest immediate threat IMO.

It's at least the thing we can prepare to mitigate the most... What are your thoughts?

I don't know why they don't do it right now... I'd be voting for shortkut.

 

[VashTheStampede]

It's at least the thing we can prepare to mitigate the most... What are your thoughts?

I don't know why they don't do it right now... I'd be voting for shortkut.

I'm waiting to hear what info Tubby may have before anything else, but I'm not waiting terribly long because they could shadow at any time (though honestly with Holly and Ants both off the board, I don't know if they have a juicy enough target)

The longer we wait the worse it looks on him though

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also keep in mind, the way I understand it, once they do the shadow thing, we can still talk and SAY who we're voting for.

It's just that a few people are going to be fuckin liars.

 

[VashTheStampede]

GODDAMNIT don't let me lead the town again

 

[shortkut]

Leading to a bonfire for s’mores?

It's at least the thing we can prepare to mitigate the most... What are your thoughts?

I don't know why they don't do it right now... I'd be voting for shortkut.

 

[Jawneh]

Btw, would there be any point of me claiming my role at this point thanks to Ants, or should I keep my mouth shut for now? We do got quite a few protection roles.

 

[Benzine]

I'm waiting to hear what info Tubby may have before anything else, but I'm not waiting terribly long because they could shadow at any time (though honestly with Holly and Ants both off the board, I don't know if they have a juicy enough target)

The longer we wait the worse it looks on him though

Guess they're just scared of the numbers, that's cool.

Tubby says the confusion wolf put him to sleep. I like it, it makes sense as to why they'd keep him alive, go for Holly, blah blah blah, maybe putting a hold on the shadow vote. My suspicion for Tubby has cooled a bit. I need to remember that if my reason for mistrusting him is his shaky reasoning towards me and really weird "evidence" of being a seer, that he also wasn't so great with the traps.

I'm gonna share some info cause I know people will be going to bed, and I want something to kick start us a little bit in some fashion, and I'm about to go meet a fresh new baby so will want something more fun to come back to. I see Jawneh is interested in sharing role too... So now maybe I'll wait a few minutes. What sort of roles shouldn't reveal themselves do we think?

 

[Benzine]

And I vote for @shortkut and skip

 

[VashTheStampede]

Tubby says the confusion wolf put him to sleep. I like it, it makes sense as to why they'd keep him alive, go for Holly, blah blah blah, maybe putting a hold on the shadow vote. My suspicion for Tubby has cooled a bit. I need to remember that if my reason for mistrusting him is his shaky reasoning towards me and really weird "evidence" of being a seer, that he also wasn't so great with the traps

I TOTALLY missed his post.

Guessing you mean Nightmare wolf because Confusion is the one that makes us not get death knowledge

 

[Benzine]

I TOTALLY missed his post.

Guessing you mean Nightmare wolf because Confusion is the one that makes us not get death knowledge

Yeah sorry it's past midday, I'm buggered.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Actually, I'm also okay with the person we would vote for in the dark to be Vash too.

As long as it's not any of the people on my safe(r) list.

I'd suggest reassessing this list btw

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm going to head to bed. Might return to my shitposting ways on the morrow.

 

[Local Hero]

Btw, would there be any point of me claiming my role at this point thanks to Ants, or should I keep my mouth shut for now? We do got quite a few protection roles.

Are there roles that can kill even if you're being protected?

The way I see it, we have Tubby and you as close to confirmed townies and we should have two or more protection roles

 

[shortkut]

I'm going to head to bed. Might return to my shitposting ways on the morrow.

 

[Local Hero]

Either way, is up to you

 

[Ben]

I think pretty much all of us are here and ready the thread but I am going to tag @Ben so he sees this too as he's not been in the thread.

It took me until 10:30pm to get my kid to go to sleep. I'm sorry I'm late to the town meeting!

So our priority seems to be identifying who the Shadow Wolf is so that they can't use a lynch to their advantage, and doing so before they activate such power?

 

[Local Hero]

@shortkut, any RK/wolf power that can kill through protection? You're the role expert

 

[Local Hero]

It took me until 10:30pm to get my kid to go to sleep.

My sympathies. My daughter often has troubles going to sleep

 

[Jawneh]

Are there roles that can kill even if you're being protected?

The way I see it, we have Tubby and you as close to confirmed townies and we should have two or more protection roles

There's only really random wolf being zerker. Illusionist just straight up kills during the day so that's a bummer.

For protection we got at least three. Jailer, Doctor, and Witch potion. Maybe more from random townies.

 

[Tommy Boy]

So our priority seems to be identifying who the Shadow Wolf is so that they can't use a lynch to their advantage, and doing so before they activate such power?

I think so. My gut says the shadow wolf will use the power in the next day phase to prevent the medium from telling us who Ants was with, not today. So from a town perspective, we need to try and narrow down shadow wolf candidates and somehow protect the medium. Jailer should be last resort since anyone in jail can't use their powers, so probably doctor or witch would be better. Still no leads on an exact wolf, but based on some discussions here, there have been reasonable accusations.

 

[A Punched Face]

I think so. My gut says the shadow wolf will use the power in the next day phase to prevent the medium from telling us who Ants was with, not today. So from a town perspective, we need to try and narrow down shadow wolf candidates and somehow protect the medium. Jailer should be last resort since anyone in jail can't use their powers, so probably doctor or witch would be better. Still no leads on an exact wolf, but based on some discussions here, there have been reasonable accusations.

I appreciate your signature calling out your longevity in this game. It's odd having you around beyond the first day, but glad to have you bringing your thoughts.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I appreciate your signature calling out your longevity in this game. It's odd having you around beyond the first day, but glad to have you bringing your thoughts.

I'm getting better, I swear!!!

 

[Tubby23]

I'm getting better, I swear!!!

I wouldn't care if you were getting worse it's nice to see you breathing

 

[Ben]

I think so. My gut says the shadow wolf will use the power in the next day phase to prevent the medium from telling us who Ants was with, not today. So from a town perspective, we need to try and narrow down shadow wolf candidates and somehow protect the medium. Jailer should be last resort since anyone in jail can't use their powers, so probably doctor or witch would be better. Still no leads on an exact wolf, but based on some discussions here, there have been reasonable accusations.

Alright, I'm going to take a risk and give the town the information that I have. I think that's probably the best move here.

I'm the Bell Ringer. Last night, one of the people I checked was @Ants! While I don't know specifically who killed him, I do know the role of the other person that I happened to check.

Based on yesterday's discussion and who Ants! was primarily arguing with, the other person I checked was @TD.

TD is the Shadow Wolf.

Now as I understand it, my power is now gone and I don't get to use it again. As such, if the jailer or warden could lock me up tonight so I don't get eaten that would be great. It won't matter that I can't use my power while in there, it's already gone.

Anyway,

I vote @TD and skip.

 

[Local Hero]

Alright, I'm going to take a risk and give the town the information that I have. I think that's probably the best move here.

I'm the Bell Ringer. Last night, one of the people I checked was @Ants! While I don't know specifically who killed him, I do know the role of the other person that I happened to check.

Based on yesterday's discussion and who Ants! was primarily arguing with, the other person I checked was @TD.

TD is the Shadow Wolf.

Now as I understand it, my power is now gone and I don't get to use it again. As such, if the jailer or warden could lock me up tonight so I don't get eaten that would be great. It won't matter that I can't use my power while in there, it's already gone.

Anyway,

I vote @TD and skip.

Good enough for me.

Vote @T

Oh wait...

 

[Local Hero]

Ants being red lady and (if it's true) Ben being Bell ringer is two of the three random roles.

 

[Ben]

Another thing I thought of in trying to work out the best angle on this;

If there is any firm suspicion on who TD was aligning with on the previous day (which I know it's little to go on), meaning who another wolf is based on this information, if the warden locks me up with that other person and gives us weapons, I think only I would see/use it and I could skin us a second wolf.

Of course it's risky to begin with, this early in the game, and I do realize if I tried to kill a villager I'd die. Not clear on if that's instead of the other person, or as well as.

Edit: Realized there's not actually a Warden in this game...

 

[Tubby23]

Good enough for me for now.

Vote TD

I won't skip yet as there is still a lot of discussion that needs to be had.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Good enough for me for now.

Vote TD

I won't skip yet as there is still a lot of discussion that needs to be had.

Like are there really two bell ringers?

 

[Tubby23]

Like are there really two bell ringers?

Like that.

Like, who are the other wolves? Like is Benzine telling me to wake up coincidental or a taunt?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Alright, I'm going to take a risk and give the town the information that I have. I think that's probably the best move here.

I'm the Bell Ringer. Last night, one of the people I checked was @Ants! While I don't know specifically who killed him, I do know the role of the other person that I happened to check.

Based on yesterday's discussion and who Ants! was primarily arguing with, the other person I checked was @TD.

TD is the Shadow Wolf.

Now as I understand it, my power is now gone and I don't get to use it again. As such, if the jailer or warden could lock me up tonight so I don't get eaten that would be great. It won't matter that I can't use my power while in there, it's already gone.

Anyway,

I vote @TD and skip.

This is the most solid information we have yet, and I'm going to trust you and go with it.

Voting TD.

 

[Benzine]

I vote for td and unskip

 

[Benzine]

Like that.

Like, who are the other wolves? Like is Benzine telling me to wake up coincidental or a taunt?

Why the hell would I give myself away with a taunt lol

 

[Tubby23]

Need to bold @Benzine

 

[shortkut]

Change vote to @TD

It’s easy with the information presented as clearly as @Ben laid it out

 

[Ben]

Like are there really two bell ringers?

I thought the talk yesterday about someone else being Bell Ringer was stated by @Analutics to have been about a prior game. I thought @shortkut said @Cole claimed it.

My asking about it yesterday was because I'd know it was a bullshit claim. I'm the true ding-dong.