Zell Wolf GWF Wolf Version VII Night 2 / Day 2

[Tubby23]

There's enough of you to keep yourselves amused and spam enough to make us read at least a couple hundred posts, right?

Benzine and I could discuss cricket or something for the next 4-5 hours

 

[Benzine]

Yup. Getting reactions from post 300 something and we just broke 800. Oh boy.

People have also been doing this as clues, just so you know. Last game people were communicating with me a lot via reactions for posts HUNDREDS ago.

 

[Jawneh]

Benzine and I could discuss cricket or something for the next 4-5 hours

Not any worse than what TD or Vash normally do.

 

[Jawneh]

People have also been doing this as clues, just so you know. Last game people were communicating with me a lot via reactions for posts HUNDREDS ago.

Yeah, I see some folks going back during the day to re-read things, but it hits different when someone comes around and it's their first pass.

 

[Tubby23]

Not any worse than what TD or Vash normally do.

 

[Benzine]

Yeah, I see some folks going back during the day to re-read things, but it hits different when someone comes around and it's their first pass.

I don't mean as their first reads... I mean, it might've been, but I don't think it was.

 

[Local Hero]

Benzine and I could discuss cricket or something for the next 4-5 hours

How's that India vs Australia match?

 

[Benzine]

I change my vote to Local Hero

@Local Hero

 

[Benzine]

lolcal is single handedly increasing my like/message ratio

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Benzine]

I'm going to use the schedule post function to vote for Tommy again. I've really wanted to be able to leave messages via scheduling for early games (games start at 1am for me so I'm ages behind) but it doesn't work like that. So I'll try it out for this.

 

[Tubby23]

 

[shortkut]

Benzine and I could discuss cricket or something for the next 4-5 hours

@Altoona Pizza needs more stats, so make a new thread for it

 

[shortkut]

I don't mean as their first reads... I mean, it might've been, but I don't think it was.

Mine usually are first reads

 

[Smacktard]

Okay I got far enough through the thread. I'm not reading the last 3 pages because I got to a point where the same people were just shouting "WOLVES ARE THIS" AND "WOLVES ARE THAT" and not really trying to contribute anything helpful at all. People trying to control the narrative in the laziest and most obnoxious way possible.

Get ready. Effort post incoming.

I don't know if there's anything specific that caught me with Kelly either. The Kelly smash bit is great, but is it good enough to bring into another game? Maybe less word, less mistake. Big brain play?

Yeah I felt the "Kelly smash" bit wearing thin too this game so imma stop it.

...wouldn't have to save someone if you didn't vote for them in the first place.

One of the reasons that both you and Dean are likely so high on the list for so many is the bail out with 3 minutes left.

I mentioned it earlier, you don't look innocent. You could be a townie getting cold feet or you could be nervous about being implicated in the death of a townie.

This makes absolutely no fucking sense. Nothing you've said all game makes any sense.

"You're a wolf because you nailed on voting for someone who I now think is a townie"???

What kind of logic is that?

I would've voted for you ages ago, but like I said before, I'm too paralyzed by accidentally voting for the Fool and losing the game. Because you're acting like a damn Fool. It's either you or Local that are the Fool, and the other one is the Illusionist. I'm leaning more towards Illusionist though. It would explain why you're trying so hard to control the narrative and paint everyone as "sus". Is there anyone you HAVEN'T pointed fingers at this game? You even said to look out for shortkut, who was confirmed not a wolf.

Well here's some proof: there were no illusionist kills today, and no reason for the illusionist NOT to kill, unless:
1) Local is the illusionist and was in jail, though it wouldn't make sense for him to come out so boldly and admit to being in jail
2) you're the illusionist and I cornered you when I said I knew you had a disguise on me, and would've killed me if I hadn't called you out

The town only consists of 6 people. There are 4 wolves (5 kills), 2 solos remaining. Very little room for error.

I don't know why you would take FR at his word. I pointed out a LONG time ago that he could've been a wolf and we all might be in better shape than we thought. If FR were a priest, it doesn't explain why he was so absent during the game. I've been wolf with him before and he rarely posts when he's wolf. He posts a lot when he's townie, like the last game.

I'm torn. We really, really should be looking at @Local Hero... but we're only +2 versus the wolves right now, and Local needs them as dead as we do. He literally can't win against them by himself. He needs us.

This is one of the reasons I'm not voting for TD yet. I think the RK might need to kill off a wolf first to stand a chance at victory.

Also obviously if Tubby kills Tommy, it solidifies in the town's mind that @Smacktard was lying and we would lynch him.

I'm not sure what you are even trying to say with this. How would Tubby kill Tommy? What does that have to do with me? I think Tubby's logic that lynching you or Tommy, and not Tubby, is sound. Lynching Tubby could backfire, but lynching you or Tommy at least provides us with a solid alternative.

I didn't put the spell on Ben. I probably should have.

Well why didn't you? It was the most obvious pick for a Ritualist:
1) strong, uncontested claim
2) strong role
If you're not a wolf, this was a serious oversight. For that alone I'm more inclined to believe Tommy than you, even if the town has already chosen its bandwagon.

The good part? If you're truthful and if Tommy is a wolf - Raine is not a  wolf.

I can accept that. There's always a chance that she's RK/RV and waited to figure out an uncontested role when no one claimed it, but I still think it's more likely you and Local are RK/RV

As it stands now, if FR is to be believed - and I don't really have any reason not to at present - between him and shortkut (with an asterisk in the interests of complete openness), there are only 2 RRVs left. We still have more than 2 RRV claims.

...why WOULD you believe him? There's no proof that he wasn't a wolf and he could just be keeping the lie going in the afterlife. Priest with no proof is such a weak claim.

He posted 300 times in 5 minutes. Wolves wouldn't be that brazen.

TD tries to control the narrative whether he's townie, wolf, or anything in between.

If I missed anything worthwhile in the last 3 pages, let me know. The town has decided between Raine and Tommy, and I'm happy to go with that. If we're wrong, easy correction the next day and it buys us a little breathing room.

Sending a token vote for TD because I'm 90% sure that he's Illusionist and I'm in his sights.

 

[Smacktard]

You seriously think only 400 posts are bullshit?

No, but that was (about) the total number I had left to read this morning when I woke up.

Don't bother, being in a different timezone is default to be punished.

I know. I'm default SUS because I have a healthy sleeping schedule but am a few hours ahead of burgertime.

 

[Tubby23]

Okay I got far enough through the thread. I'm not reading the last 3 pages because I got to a point where the same people were just shouting "WOLVES ARE THIS" AND "WOLVES ARE THAT" and not really trying to contribute anything helpful at all. People trying to control the narrative in the laziest and most obnoxious way possible.

Get ready. Effort post incoming.

Yeah I felt the "Kelly smash" bit wearing thin too this game so imma stop it.

This makes absolutely no fucking sense. Nothing you've said all game makes any sense.

"You're a wolf because you nailed on voting for someone who I now think is a townie"???

What kind of logic is that?

I would've voted for you ages ago, but like I said before, I'm too paralyzed by accidentally voting for the Fool and losing the game. Because you're acting like a damn Fool. It's either you or Local that are the Fool, and the other one is the Illusionist. I'm leaning more towards Illusionist though. It would explain why you're trying so hard to control the narrative and paint everyone as "sus". Is there anyone you HAVEN'T pointed fingers at this game? You even said to look out for shortkut, who was confirmed not a wolf.

Well here's some proof: there were no illusionist kills today, and no reason for the illusionist NOT to kill, unless:
1) Local is the illusionist and was in jail, though it wouldn't make sense for him to come out so boldly and admit to being in jail
2) you're the illusionist and I cornered you when I said I knew you had a disguise on me, and would've killed me if I hadn't called you out

I don't know why you would take FR at his word. I pointed out a LONG time ago that he could've been a wolf and we all might be in better shape than we thought. If FR were a priest, it doesn't explain why he was so absent during the game. I've been wolf with him before and he rarely posts when he's wolf. He posts a lot when he's townie, like the last game.

This is one of the reasons I'm not voting for TD yet. I think the RK might need to kill off a wolf first to stand a chance at victory.

I'm not sure what you are even trying to say with this. How would Tubby kill Tommy? What does that have to do with me? I think Tubby's logic that lynching you or Tommy, and not Tubby, is sound. Lynching Tubby could backfire, but lynching you or Tommy at least provides us with a solid alternative.

Well why didn't you? It was the most obvious pick for a Ritualist:
1) strong, uncontested claim
2) strong role
If you're not a wolf, this was a serious oversight. For that alone I'm more inclined to believe Tommy than you, even if the town has already chosen its bandwagon.

I can accept that. There's always a chance that she's RK/RV and waited to figure out an uncontested role when no one claimed it, but I still think it's more likely you and Local are RK/RV

...why WOULD you believe him? There's no proof that he wasn't a wolf and he could just be keeping the lie going in the afterlife. Priest with no proof is such a weak claim.

TD tries to control the narrative whether he's townie, wolf, or anything in between.

If I missed anything worthwhile in the last 3 pages, let me know. The town has decided between Raine and Tommy, and I'm happy to go with that. If we're wrong, easy correction the next day and it buys us a little breathing room.

Sending a token vote for TD because I'm 90% sure that he's Illusionist and I'm in his sights.

 

[Tubby23]

If I missed anything worthwhile in the last 3 pages, let me know. The town has decided between Raine and Tommy, and I'm happy to go with that. If we're wrong, easy correction the next day and it buys us a little breathing room.

Sending a token vote for TD because I'm 90% sure that he's Illusionist and I'm in his sights.

Maybe the only thing is I have proposed a way for Raine to prove her role, which if we are wrong on Tommy can give us more certainty there as well

 

[Benzine]

Maybe the only thing is I have proposed a way for Raine to prove her role, which if we are wrong on Tommy can give us more certainty there as well

Except for that that's a joke because it would definitely be cheating

 

[Smacktard]

Maybe the only thing is I have proposed a way for Raine to prove her role, which if we are wrong on Tommy can give us more certainty there as well

The only ways I can think of for Raine to prove her role are:
1) Killing Tommy/Raine
2) Somehow have FR communicate through Raine to us in a way that Raine can't fake (referencing some in-joke or something?)... But then if Raine is lying about her role, that means FR was probably a wolf and would like with Raine

Am I missing something? Did you have something else in mind?

 

[Tubby23]

The only ways I can think of for Raine to prove her role are:
1) Killing Tommy/Raine
2) Somehow have FR communicate through Raine to us in a way that Raine can't fake (referencing some in-joke or something?)... But then if Raine is lying about her role, that means FR was probably a wolf and would like with Raine

Am I missing something? Did you have something else in mind?

Point 2 but using canadaguy

 

[Tubby23]

Except for that that's a joke because it would definitely be cheating

Zell will make that call.

 

[Benzine]

Zell will make that call.

Zell will smite you if it happens, I can guarantee it haha.

 

[Benzine]

Is there a smitten badge?

 

[Tubby23]

He has every opportunity to stop it from happening and I will accept that decision

 

[Benzine]

Are you holding sand paper as we discuss this?

 

[Smacktard]

FWIW I think this sets a dangerous precedent for future games. I think it's best we just vote off Tommy (or TD)

 

[Tubby23]

Are you holding sand paper as we discuss this?

Affirmative, I also have a Mentos in my mouth and sunscreen on my pants.

 

[Benzine]

Are you holding sand paper as we discuss this?

For the non cricket fans who are unsure what these things mean or how to react, this is a devastating burn.

I posted more in the afternoon shift today, and I definitely did a worse job at work, haha.

 

[Tubby23]

For the non cricket fans who are unsure what these things mean or how to react, this is a devastating burn.

I posted more in the afternoon shift today, and I definitely did a worse job at work, haha.

My cricket motto: If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying

 

[Benzine]

I think that was Tito Ortiz or whatever his name is.

 

[Zell 17]

@canadaguy can you post in the dead thread for Raine the trade I have offered you in our fantasy football league.

Raine if you can bring that back accurately I'll believe you.

@Zell 17 if illegal stop this from happening

An easy way to answer these questions would be to ask yourself:

"If I had no contact with (dead player) at all, would this plan work?" In this case, no. So no, no dead codes. Which would include things like "Hey CG, SUS this post if this was your info!".

 

[Tubby23]

An easy way to answer these questions would be to ask yourself:

"If I had no contact with (dead player) at all, would this plan work?" In this case, no. So no, no dead codes. Which would include things like "Hey CG, SUS this post if this was your info!".

That's acceptable, and in the case of something that pre-dated their death?

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Tommy Boy - 8 (Raine, Vash, TD, Jawneh, Dean, Tubby23, Alu, Local Hero)
Local Hero - 2 (shortkut, Benzine)
TD - 1 (Smacktard)
Raine - 1 (Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (11 required):

Skip - 7 (Raine, TD, Dean, Benzine, VashTheStampede, Tubby23, Local Hero)
No vote - 5 (Alu, Jawneh, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy)

 

[VashTheStampede]

lol we so lost

 

[Dean]

What is the Illusionist's win condition?

 

[TD]

Well here's some proof: there were no illusionist kills today, and no reason for the illusionist NOT to kill, unless:
1) Local is the illusionist and was in jail, though it wouldn't make sense for him to come out so boldly and admit to being in jail
2) you're the illusionist and I cornered you when I said I knew you had a disguise on me, and would've killed me if I hadn't called you out

Sending a token vote for TD because I'm 90% sure that he's Illusionist and I'm in his sights.

There's a lot to unpack here but once again, you're way off. Word of advice for you and Local, this consistent "if someone calls me guilty, they're the bad guy" is one of the oldest cover ups in the book.

You gave yourself 10% room for being error which is because as usual there's some big holes with your theory.

If I was the Illusionist, what sense would it make for me to try to publically out you? Spoiler alert, it doesn't. I would literally kill you long before I came out and picked a fight with you to completely detach myself from you. Instead, you think I'm out here jumping on you and standing by to thanos snap you?

That's something that makes no sense.

Along with that - that would assume that I feel someone who is claiming Sheriff is a threat to me? The absolute only reason that would make sense is if I was a wolf since you'll detect wolves and not the Illusionist.

This whole insistence that you and Local think I'm the Illusionist makes it seem like one of you targeted me with the Illusionist - and you're trying really really hard to lynch me to be like "see he was!" and then quietly start stacking up kills to try to win it.

The ironic thing? I was considering tagging you this morning to bring you in on the plan insurance in case you were an ally and needed help choosing who to target.

Now? Yeah no fucking way you're the Sheriff.

 

[VashTheStampede]

What is the Illusionist's win condition?

Judging by the description they don't have one

Haha sucker, they get to lose too

 

[TD]

What is the Illusionist's win condition?

Last one standing.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Last one standing.

Where does it say that?

In your DM from Zell?

 

[Raine]

I don't know why you would take FR at his word. I pointed out a LONG time ago that he could've been a wolf and we all might be in better shape than we thought. If FR were a priest, it doesn't explain why he was so absent during the game. I've been wolf with him before and he rarely posts when he's wolf. He posts a lot when he's townie, like the last game.

I've considered it. I've only explicitly stated 3 people are wolves, in my estimation.

You want a fourth? There's a possibility.

I'm not sure what you are even trying to say with this. How would Tubby kill Tommy? What does that have to do with me? I think Tubby's logic that lynching you or Tommy, and not Tubby, is sound. Lynching Tubby could backfire, but lynching you or Tommy at least provides us with a solid alternative.

Tubby points at me and Tommy: One of these is a wolf
Tommy points at me and Dean: One of these is a wolf
Commonality says: Raine is a wolf

...But Raine is squirmy.

Tubby says: Tommy or Raine are wolves. Tommy gets lynched, is wolf. Tubby STONKS go to the moon, Smacktard gets lynched.
Tommy says: Dean or Raine are wolves. Dean gets lynched, but... whoops! Dean is the Alpha Wolf. Wolves lose no power, Tommy STONKS go to the moon.

Meanwhile, 4th wolf stirs shit and raises doubt at every possible venture...

Well why didn't you? It was the most obvious pick for a Ritualist:
1) strong, uncontested claim
2) strong role
If you're not a wolf, this was a serious oversight. For that alone I'm more inclined to believe Tommy than you, even if the town has already chosen its bandwagon.

It wasn't an oversight, it was a deliberate choice.

I'll explain myself to Ben tonight. You can read it after the game ends or you get ganked, whichever comes first.

I can accept that. There's always a chance that she's RK/RV and waited to figure out an uncontested role when no one claimed it, but I still think it's more likely you and Local are RK/RV

There is no reality in which I, as the Illusionist, make today's play.

I simply pick the wolves off myself and allow the town to continue its path of self-immolation.

...why WOULD you believe him? There's no proof that he wasn't a wolf and he could just be keeping the lie going in the afterlife. Priest with no proof is such a weak claim.

It suits my purposes just fine.

If people like Jawneh don't understand the peril they put themselves, and the town, in - then all the more reason to believe them wolves.

Also I spent a good portion last night essentially telling TD that I'm like 80% sure he's a wolf, and giving him an out of his own design. If I'm wrong about that assumption, maybe it's just indigestion IDK - and I hope that I am wrong - we will proceed to with our usual tanking and spanking of whatever opposition remains.

The town has proven thus far they weren't ready for being on even footing/actual underdogs. What has happened so far is a continuation of low-effort/no-effort gameplay, which has been the complete opposite of what the wolves have had to do every game to even have a theoretical shot at winning.

 

[TD]

Where does it say that?

In your DM from Zell?

...it's in the winning conditions on Zell's first post. lol

 

[VashTheStampede]

...it's in the winning conditions on Zell's first post. lol

Where did you get the idea to check that?

From your DM from Zell?

 

[Dean]

The town has proven thus far they weren't ready for being on even footing/actual underdogs. What has happened so far is a continuation of low-effort/no-effort gameplay, which has been the complete opposite of what the wolves have had to do every game to even have a theoretical shot at winning.

Hey now. I've put in a lot of effort. I'm just incompetent. Get it right!

 

[TD]

Where did you get the idea to check that?

From your DM from Zell?

If you didn't check the roles and win conditions, why?

Is Raine right, are you the Fool?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Okay new plan

Raine puts her ritualist spell on me

We lynch me. We get the identity of a player.

I come back tomorrow.

 

[VashTheStampede]

If you didn't check the roles and win conditions, why?

Is Raine right, are you the Fool?

I actually checked it after my first post about the Zell DM and realized how dumb it was and tried to just keep joking through it.

 

[Raine]

Okay new plan

Raine puts her ritualist spell on me

We lynch me. We get the identity of a player.

I come back tomorrow.

If this was Day 1 you know I'd do it in a heartbeat, baby.

 

[Dean]

Okay new plan

Raine puts her ritualist spell on me

We lynch me. We get the identity of a player.

I come back tomorrow.

I have a better idea. What if...

Raine puts her ritualist spell on me

We lynch me. We get the identity of a player.

I come back tomorrow.

 

[Tubby23]

My DM from Zell says ask Vash about his DM from Zell