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FQ Wolf FQ Wolf Vol. 2 - Night 1 & Day 2
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When you got the fool in the game, it benefits to wolves to keep them alive, so even randomly killing once without any cues can be bad for them. With the fool alive, townies can't just lynch on a whim without near concrete evidence. But this game, there's no fool. So it's a bit weird move, but obviously made everyone confused.
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Wasn't that the game where it was only vanilla townies? There's no risk to getting found out, differently game, different strategies.
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Lots of reasons, deflecting for one. Fishing for a doctor reveal is another.
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Why so persistent that was the play by the wolves? Were you in the room when this decision was made?
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He also seemed to have patted himself on the back about that strategy, too
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But why hone in on a single strategy that has been used once rather than accept there are other possibilities?
Maybe the person with scars didn't want to come forward. Maybe they targeted the role that can't be killed. Sure, maybe they didn't kill anyone too.
You just started randomly probing me about it, so instead of a simple "how'd I know, I dont use flea shampoo" I decided to try to play around a bit.
And then got tripped over by my own bad logic for a story I wanted to throw back at you.And if people jump on me thanks to you, I'll be sure to postmates you hawaiian pizza in advance everyday for at least a month before I'm lynched.
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You just finished telling me that they way to find people is to probe people until they make a mistake and that is how you find a wolf.You just started randomly probing me about it, so instead of a simple "how'd I know, I dont use flea shampoo" I decided to try to play around a bit.
And if people jump on me thanks to you, I'll be sure to postmates you hawaiian pizza in advance everyday for at least a month before I'm lynched.
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Why would the person with scars not want to come forward when FQ said she'd confirm it? The wolves would have already targeted that person, and that person would now be a confirmed townie?
And why are you asking why I'm honing in on a single strategy that a confirmed wolf literally honed in on yesterday publicly? It's suspicious because a wolf broadcast it while assuming they wouldn't be killed off that night.
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For those following at home. Here is the Jawneh "joke" I'm referring to:
Post in thread 'FQ Wolf Vol. 2 - Night 0 & Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/fq-wolf-vol-2-night-0-day-1.551/post-21941
Post in thread 'FQ Wolf Vol. 2 - Night 0 & Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/fq-wolf-vol-2-night-0-day-1.551/post-21941
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The exact same reason that we apparently want to support the polys not revealing themselves applies here. Known townies are easy kill targets and leave us confused. This could out both the person with scars and the doctor. If someone has scars, the wolves have no clue of the role of that person. What if they have a major role like let's say.. the seer?
There was a doctor comment yesterday that leads me to believe the doctor was in play.
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Quote it please. I'm assuming you mean Benzine's post but would like to know if there was something else.
I'm a little but on the suspecting side for Benzine right now by the way. Only had 2 posts yesterday, one claiming the doctor to be handsome and one in reply to me asking why he was flattering people. Could be that he just assumed the doctor saved someone though.
But: how could a person coming forward with scars potentially out the doctor? What's the logic there? FQ said she'd confirm the statement and made no mention of the doctor needing to do anything about it.
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If I'm right about the doctor - why would I quote it and put a target on their back?
We have no way of protecting the doctor. We do not need to know who the doctor is, but the doctor does need to discern members of the town. Our vigilante is dead, so the doctor isn't getting shot by us. The wolves are the single biggest beneficiary of outing the doctor, why would you want that?
I don't share your suspicion of Benzine right now, in fact, I'm more suspicious of you than Benzine.
The person with scars coming forward does not out the doctor as a standalone activity but it could come with it.
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There is literally know reason the scars coming forward would out the doctor unless the doctor decides to out themselves. Why would that happen? How could this possibly happen without that person making a mistake and outing themselves? I'd like you to walk me through a possible scenario where you think this outcome would happen.
I don't believe you've figured out who the doctor is, and you're arguing for outing the Tycoon but not outing someone simply as "townie" with no confirmed role. One of these things is more important than the other, and you mentioned you wanted a role with a power outed and confirmed.
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Seems sus, voting Fire Queen.
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I'm not going to walk you through anything at this point because I'm getting some intense wolfy vibes coming from you. You seem very intent on trying to narrow down townie members rather than finding wolves (and no, the two don't go hand-in-hand).
I also was not being serious about the Tycoon, I was throwing out a joke and seeing who would bite. Heck, someone else mentioned the idea later and I called it wolf like behaviour. But again, par for the course - you singled out my actions and called me on it just like the locked in vote.
It's almost like you're trying really hard to drive the narrative you want (such as saying something is obvious while ignoring other possibilities) and trying to discredit my thought process.
Wolves are down one. You scared?
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Technically, it was night 1. We didn't get a night 0 in the first game.
The big discussion was that voting when there was no suspects to consider because no one died was pointless and only benefited the wolves. So Cole was like, "You know what would be funny? If we just didn't kill anyone on the first night!"
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Do not implicate the precious. I will bites your ear off - the entire thing! I can't vote for you because TD already did, but I'm watching you!Hmm... The logic in my head was actually horrible for what I was trying to get at lol. Somehow having poly chat as well as wolf chat, somehow the technology or someone messed up and sent the wrong message to the other group. Maybe works as a conspiracy theory? That'd mean Crystal also has her finger on this.
Also required permission from FQ though, correct? And was a one-time deal in the game. YMMV here.
So, I mean, Word of God could debunk it too if we tag her enough times.
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At the end of the day - trying to focus on what happened night 0 is a distraction and means literally nothing. Whether it's the wolves chose not to kill, the doctor protected someone, or the unkillable was targeted, it doesn't matter.
You're trying to distract us with what happened night 0 when it's irrelevant. No one from the town died, that's what matters.
The doctor knows if they protected someone, the protected knows, and the unkillable knows. If that information becomes immediately useful to the town I'm sure it'll come to light (unless Tommy Boy).
Instead, we should focus on what has happened - not what hasn't.
You're trying to distract us with what happened night 0 when it's irrelevant. No one from the town died, that's what matters.
The doctor knows if they protected someone, the protected knows, and the unkillable knows. If that information becomes immediately useful to the town I'm sure it'll come to light (unless Tommy Boy).
Instead, we should focus on what has happened - not what hasn't.
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Do not implicate the precious. I will bites your ear off - the entire thing! I can't vote for you because TD already did, but I'm watching you!
Also required permission from FQ though, correct? And was a one-time deal in the game. YMMV here.
So, I mean, Word of God could debunk it too if we tag her enough times.
It's allowed.
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All I said to get this started was that I felt the most likely situation was that they chose to not vote for anyone in order to cause confusion. You're the one who brought us down the rabbit hole we're at now by discarding it entirely as an option despite being literally spelled out in the first post of the game as one.
We have a confirmed wolf who speculated about it. I was using that information, from day 1 to see if anything else could come from it. Why not say "oh hey look, this is a likely strategy that the wolves thought of, confirmed by the wolves" and then try to move on to figure out who could have been agreeing or interacting with Zell throughout the day? When I brought up that this could be a strategy, you immediately started arguing how it could not at all be one and then came up with fantasy scenarios in your head that could potentially out the doctor.
I brought up something from a confirmed wolf. You've simply immediately shot it down as theory because "reasons" and instead started talking about how the person with scars shouldn't come forward and be confirmed because it would end up outing the doctor somehow.
What would a person with scars coming forward mean? The wolves didn't find the somnambulist, a role that they fear. They couldn't try to lead us into a vote against that person to rid them of their problem.
My question: if the theory of Zell wanting to use the "no vote" method is true, who might have gone along with it and what can we speculate from that?
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Initial reaction: You, Jawneh, FR, Ants
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replying here - read too quickly
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Reeeeeeach more.
You asked who might have gone along with it, I listed some possibilities of who MIGHT have. You did not ask who the remaining wolves are.
You're trying so hard to discredit me that if I was the vigilante, you'd be riddled with bullets.
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Not to bag on people, but I'm genuinely shocked Zell himself would be okay with not killing in a game where power roles exists. It made sense for the first game, it does not here. The wolves are risking getting caught by the Seer and giving the town more opportunity to organize.
I don't think the existence of landmines justifies it.
I don't think the existence of landmines justifies it.
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This post was me realizing you were coming up with your list of suspects, not claiming all 4 were wolves.
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So much against it that you believe it's the obvious thing that actually happened right?
You know the only roles who that would be obvious to?
The wolves.
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Seeing as I don't believe Cole would listen to you, I could definitely see this.
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I am almost entirely certain that no one with scars has come forward because no one has scars.
Either the wolves found the somnambulist off the bat, or they made the more statistically likely play of deciding not to kill anyone to cause confusion. It's still possible that they found the somnambulist, but it was entirely too convenient for Zell's first post to be pointing out how the only player he thought would go down the route of not voting wasn't here, when he in fact was a wolf himself who knew it could happen.
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