FQ Wolf FQ Wolf Vol. 2 - Night 1 & Day 2

[Fool's Requiem]

I told him I didn't have any arguments for it other than being risky. I went along with all of his plans because I was outvoted at every turn and I'm definitely not better at arguing than Cole is.

 

[A Punched Face]

You also jumped on suspecting me the instant I pointed out your second vote could have forced us to lynch someone even without having enough information to do it. I'm fairly certain that at this point you're keeping me as a suspect because you already had me there for a bad reason, and are now trying to reach for a good reason.

 

[TD]

I am almost entirely certain that no one with scars has come forward because no one has scars.

Either the wolves found the somnambulist off the bat, or they made the more statistically likely play of deciding not to kill anyone to cause confusion. It's still possible that they found the somnambulist, but it was entirely too convenient for Zell's first post to be pointing out how the only player he thought would go down the route of not voting wasn't here, when he in fact was a wolf himself who knew it could happen.

So here's my issue.

I've never said that the wolves 100% did not choose to target no one. I called it a dumb play that makes no sense in this game structure.

I offered up two other possibilities in which you have been persistently shutting down as not possible - all while I continue to acknowledge that all 3 are possible.

I have not definitely stated what has happened. You have. You're taking a single sentence and RUNNING with it to the point of calling it obvious, disregarding other possibilities...

And nowwwww you're backpedalling?

 

[TD]

You also jumped on suspecting me the instant I pointed out your second vote could have forced us to lynch someone even without having enough information to do it. I'm fairly certain that at this point you're keeping me as a suspect because you already had me there for a bad reason, and are now trying to reach for a good reason.

Please point out where I suspected you other than pointing out that you've singled me out in my table.

 

[A Punched Face]

So I think it now becomes obvious that the wolves didn't target anyone on night 0. They likely have not found the somnambulist and almost certainly the good doctor didn't need to save anyone.

I was stating my opinion on the matter, and how does this not align with the "they certainly could have found them, but the more statistically likely play..." when both times I was saying it because of how unlikely the other two seem to be at this point.

Did you just entirely misread that post? Or have you misread my more recent posts that are slightly reworded but say the same thing?

Please point out where I suspected you other than pointing out that you've singled me out in my table.

The table where you tried to say my actions in calling you out for potentially locking us into a lynching most people didn't want to be locked into? That one? How is that anything other than trying to make me seem suspicious?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

This back and forth feels very "Spiderman pointing at himself" meme.

 

[TD]

Because you said the word "obvious".

It's a classic misdirect play to try to get the conversation on something else when I started gunning for Jawneh, which is interesting because if my gut is right on Jawneh that's about to make you look very bad.

In my table I stated things that have happened. Was I wrong? Did you not go after my locked in vote, and my locked in vote alone?

You keep saying I jumped on you as a suspect right away. You weren't even in the top 3 I mentioned early in the day phase (you are now).

 

[A Punched Face]

I said we should look at what Zell said because he referred to an exact situation that happened in this game before. You dismissed it entirely as a possibility and even called it a stretch that anyone could think to do it, despite it literally happening here.

In my table I stated things that have happened. Was I wrong? Did you not go after my locked in vote, and my locked in vote alone?

You were the only locked in vote. How you fail to recognize this is astounding.

 

[TD]

Others locked in their votes before FQ clarified.
Why did you not go after them?

 

[A Punched Face]

Others locked in their votes before FQ clarified.
Why did you not go after them?

Because you were the only one that forced our hand (or seemed to force our hand before the clarification). At that point people could have felt forced to vote for their most likely candidate so that your quick jump to someone too early wouldn't end in disaster.

By the time you forced that play, all bets were off until the clarification came.

 

[TD]

That kind of makes sense but I still don't trust you.

What do YOU think of everyone? Who is suspicious to you?

 

[A Punched Face]

Quite literally you agreed with me earlier in the very thread that we shouldn't change to our second vote unless we were very sure

Yeah I'm planning on not changing until I have some good information on it.

You liked that post of mine.

Then you changed your mind later. That's why I called it out.

 

[TD]

And we were getting nowhere with anything until I did that. Somebody had to do something.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I have a suspect, besides you two, but I have absolutely no concrete information, and more of a hunch. I wanna see what they post in today's phase.

 

[TD]

Does that you mean you suspect the two of us?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

i thought that was obvious from my previous post.

 

[TD]

 

[A Punched Face]

That kind of makes sense but I still don't trust you.

What do YOU think of everyone? Who is suspicious to you?

I already said Benzine is on my list because I don't believe his doctor claim (but then also said it could just be he assumed the doctor was successful).

I was writing more and got distracted by work during the work day. Who does that. Will come back to this.

 

[TD]

I already said Benzine is on my list because I don't believe his doctor claim (but then also said it could just be he assumed the doctor was successful).

I was writing more and got distracted by work during the work day. Who does that. Will come back to this.

I'm fortunate enough to have been invited to a 3 hour no-webcam conference that is mostly irrelevant for me.

 

[Local Hero]

Awakening from my drunken stuper after consoling myself with booze over the loss of my dear and beloved friend, I stumble out into the light of the townsquare to find TD foaming at the mouth, belligerently pointing fingers are innocent townies.

I vote we lynch TD.

 

[TD]

How do YOU know who is innocent and who isn't?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Awakening from my drunken stuper after consoling myself with booze over the loss of my dear and beloved friend, I stumble out into the light of the townsquare to find TD foaming at the mouth, belligerently pointing fingers are innocent townies.

I vote we lynch TD.

Now I want a Town Drunk role. You can't do shit, you get wrong information, but the wolves can't kill you. Or something like that.

 

[A Punched Face]

Now I want a Town Drunk role. You can't do shit, you get wrong information, but the wolves can't kill you. Or something like that.

The wolves kill you and get a hangover. Can't kill a townie the next night.

 

[TD]

 

[Local Hero]

 

[TD]

Soooo @Local Hero .

Who're you calling innocent?
It's important.

 

[canadaguy]

It really feels like you are asking him to put a certain class of townie out on a silver platter

 

[Local Hero]

I don't know anyone (Alu) is innocent, but I think you're suspicious. Two days in a row. I cannot articulate why other than because of your posts about what could happen or who could have done what. Very vague, but I don't have anything concrete to point to. So I'll just point at you

 

[TD]

It really feels like you are asking him to put a certain class of townie out on a silver platter

I mean they've already done that themselves to be fair, I'm just more curious if he's saying who I voted for is innocent or who I debated with is innocent.

 

[TD]

I don't know anyone (Alu) is innocent, but I think you're suspicious. Two days in a row. I cannot articulate why other than because of your posts about what could happen or who could have done what. Very vague, but I don't have anything concrete to point to. So I'll just point at you

So you do not know if the person I voted for (Jawneh) is innocent.
Correct?

 

[A Punched Face]

I don't know anyone (Alu) is innocent, but I think you're suspicious. Two days in a row. I cannot articulate why other than because of your posts about what could happen or who could have done what. Very vague, but I don't have anything concrete to point to. So I'll just point at you

Just to be clear (sorry still slightly busy at work) this is simply to say that you don't know that I'm innocent right? I'm not arguing that point because you shouldn't (likely) have a way to confirm that. Just making sure I'm following along.

 

[TD]

Oh good I'm not the only one who was confused.

 

[A Punched Face]

Oh good I'm not the only one who was confused.

We finally agree in this thread

 

[A Punched Face]

First time I read it it came across as "I don't know anyone (other than Alu) is innocent" and I was like "wtf how would that be the case)

 

[Local Hero]

Just to be clear (sorry still slightly busy at work) this is simply to say that you don't know that I'm innocent right? I'm not arguing that point because you shouldn't (likely) have a way to confirm that. Just making sure I'm following along.

Right, I don't know if you're innocent. I put your name in parentheses as you and TD were going back and forth. I should have said, I don't know who is innocent (e.g. Alu)...

 

[Local Hero]

Right, I don't know if you're innocent. I put your name in parentheses as you and TD were going back and forth. I should have said, I don't know who is innocent (e.g. Alu)...

Wait, that's still confusing. Whatever, you know what I mean now lol

 

[TD]

 

[A Punched Face]

Wait, that's still confusing. Whatever, you know what I mean now lol

Lol yes, you don't know I'm innocent and that makes sense.

 

[Jawneh]

So uhh..... TD and Alu are finger pointing eachother and Local came in to vote for TD and none knows anything concrete about anyone, amirite?

 

[A Punched Face]

So uhh..... TD and Alu are finger pointing eachother and Local came in to vote for TD and none knows anything concrete about anyone, amirite?

I haven't voted for TD and he hasn't voted for me.

At least not to this point in either case.

 

[Jawneh]

Yeah, I probably should've added some commas there.

 

[A Punched Face]

Maybe shortkut was onto something in his always voting for ants. He did and now he's dead.

My name was changed away from "Ants finally good" so clearly it's a sign.

 

[TD]

So uhh..... TD and Alu are finger pointing eachother and Local came in to vote for TD and none knows anything concrete about anyone, amirite?

Bold of you to assume nobody knows anything concrete, in fact, there are several people who would know something concrete right now.

 

[TD]

Maybe shortkut was onto something in his always voting for ants. He did and now he's dead.

My name was changed away from "Ants finally good" so clearly it's a sign.

I mean, he did switch off Ants to be fair.

 

[Local Hero]

So uhh..... TD and Alu are finger pointing eachother and Local came in to vote for TD and none knows anything concrete about anyone, amirite?

Possibly TD voted for you. Not sure though, he might have just suspected you.

 

[Jawneh]

Bold of you to assume nobody knows anything concrete, in fact, there are several people who would know something concrete right now.

So does any of the three people I mentioned know anything concrete? What's your mortar to filler ratio then?

 

[Kat]

Kat	Believed Smacktard was seer really quick, not as investigative as usual

This is completely fair. All I can say in my defense is I was drinking when this game started and I was on a date most of yesterday. I need to reread the first day and think a bit.

Okay, so some actual things:

Yesterday @Zell 17 said:

So I think it now becomes obvious that the wolves didn't target anyone on night 0. They likely have not found the somnambulist and almost certainly the good doctor didn't need to save anyone.

I'm not sure I'd agree it's obvious. They could've hit the sleep walker and he was trying to throw us off. When I was a wolf, we got the random killer the first night. It's unlikely enough that I wouldn't bet on it, but it's not that unlikely and much weirder things have happened in these games.

Instead of thinking about this as a chance of whether they'd happen to hit the sleep walker the first night, I'd instead weigh how likely it is he'd post this as a misdirection if they had vs if they'd intentionally not kill anyone in a game with roles and then post something suggesting they did exactly that. To me, the first seems more likely.

Other than Vash's likely joke, no one claimed scars (which FQ said she'd confirm). Unless both the Wolves and the Doctor targeted Tommy Boy by sheer luck, no one needed the doctor.

Why would the person with scars not want to come forward when FQ said she'd confirm it? The wolves would have already targeted that person, and that person would now be a confirmed townie?

Wasn't everyone just saying yesterday that confirmed townies shouldn't out themselves until it's useful to the town because otherwise it's more useful to the wolves? Which is it?

I'm not sure it helps us much to know whether they targeted anyone or not. We do know they wanted us to think they didn't; anyone advancing that narrative is therefore suspicious, regardless of whether it's true or not.

I'm really curious what Zell posted yesterday to make Olga suspicious to the point of killing him. I'll have to keep an eye out when I read through it again later.

 

[TD]

So does any of the three people I mentioned know anything concrete? What's your mortar to filler ratio then?

 

[TD]

Possibly TD voted for you. Not sure though, he might have just suspected you.

I did in fact vote for Jawneh and nothing has been presented to make me think it's not a good idea.

 

[A Punched Face]

We should all just get drunk and see what happens.