Zell Wolf Discussion Thread v1

[Zell 17]

May I ask the reasoning for selecting me to kill on the first night?

They wanted to pick someone who lasted a long time in the first game, as it would be mean to have someone have a short game twice in a row.

Needed to be more cold-blooded!

 

[Fool's Requiem]

They wanted to pick someone who lasted a long time in the first game, as it would be mean to have someone have a short game twice in a row.

Needed to be more cold-blooded!

I can respect that.

 

[Tubby23]

Ants did you have any inkling of my role before I outed myself?

 

[Tubby23]

Watching the main thread

 

[Ants!]

Pretty much what Zell said. I didn’t come up with the idea but I agreed with it because it seemed fair. Nothing personal or strategic beyond that.

 

[Ants!]

Ants did you have any inkling of my role before I outed myself?

I had a hunch that you MIGHT be some sort of killing townie role when you asked if they were certain about me, but I was expecting gunner or marksman. And I’m sorry but I busted out laughing when right after that you did it on Fool instead. I think maybe because there was a sort of “Leroy Jenkins” quality to it and the others were all like dude, why did you do that without talking to us about it first?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Why are they talking like Vash is someone both townies and wolves need to band together to take out? The Seriel Killer has been dealt with and I feel like it's pretty obvious that Tommy is the Fool.

 

[Tubby23]

Definite Leroy Jenkins vibes.

I didn't feel I could trust anyone yet to ask more directly how certain they were and to help build a plan, which I'm regretting as a bad move. Should have just been more patient.

They've convinced themselves that Vash is the Fool even though it seems fairly obvious he is a wolf.

 

[Ants!]

I am VERY annoyed with the wolves right now. Before I died and got removed from the discussion, I straight up TOLD them “hey, shortkut gives us a golden opportunity with this list he keeps posting, use the beserk TONIGHT and get a guaranteed double-kill with it because by tomorrow they might suddenly smarten up and not announce who they’re protecting anymore.” AND NOW THE TOWNIES REALIZE IT AND ARE DOING EXACTLY THAT SO NOW IT IS TOO LATE.

And for whatever reason, they said they wanted to do a regular vote and not use the beserk. And then I died and they end up selecting Benzine, which was out-of-the-blue for me because his name had never come up before, and it just happens to be the ONE TOWNIE ROLE that they needed to keep alive besides the fool himself. Aaaaaaaaaargh

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I think keeping the Medium alive is a bad idea for the wolves. Being able to revive anyone he wishes. Unless the Medium intends to play for the wolves, I'm not understanding why they'd want to keep him alive.

 

[Benzine]

I feel like I had the strongest role in the game to be honest. The town have got this anyway, that's too strong a start even with the medium gone.

Why would the wolves need to keep the medium alive?

Can you share the other wolf roles now that no one here is allowed to talk elsewhere about it? I have no real guesses.

I think I would've selected Tommy as the fool at a guess, but for no real reason other than light to medium activity that's just a bit too soft. Like an easy ball lofting towards you, asking to be smacked.

 

[Benzine]

I'm also glad to hear you say that they weren't talking about killing me... Until they did, that is.

 

[Ants!]

I think keeping the Medium alive is a bad idea for the wolves. Being able to revive anyone he wishes. Unless the Medium intends to play for the wolves, I'm not understanding why they'd want to keep him alive.

He only gets to use that power once.

And the reason why I say they needed to keep the medium alive is because the wolves know who the Fool is (thanks to my last reading), so if a bandwagon starts forming on him then I can warn the medium and he can warn the town for them instead of one of them outing themselves to do it.

“Hey guys STOP VOTING TO LYNCH TOMMY I HAVE PROOF HE IS THE WOLF!!”

“Proof? What proof?”

“Ants found out before he died.”

“Okay so you’re one of the remaining wolves!”



Get it now? Either the medium outs himself, or one of them would have to. Although if one of the townie killing rolls happened to wack him in the night then yes the medium would be no longer useful to them and would need to be eliminated because of his rez spell.

 

[Ants!]

Can you share the other wolf roles now that no one here is allowed to talk elsewhere about it? I have no real guesses.

I could, but I’m going to decline just in case there’s anyone who might be a big enough dick to break the rules and share that info outside of this graveyard. I’m not going to risk doing that to them, sorry.

 

[Tubby23]

Fair, I'm thinking I may be wrong on Dean and should instead suspect FQ

 

[Ants!]

Sounds like Coleman.

Zell: *gives a rule*
Coleman: well that’s not how I would do it.

Lol. “Kinda shitty” I’m starting to think means “doesn’t work in my favor.”

 

[Tubby23]

Ryan is definitely a wolf with this push on killing Tommy haha

 

[Ants!]

It’s looking like my concern over the Fool isn’t necessary, seeing as there’s already strong suspicion on the correct person. My wolfie pals can just leave him in the game until the end.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

276 posts. I ain't reading that shit.

 

[Ants!]

Basically Vash outed himself as the seer and named FQ as having an evil aura, so they have 11 votes to lynch her.

 

[Ants!]

Don’t be too mad at vash though, he was backed into a corner.

 

[Ants!]

Okay, still need to read all the new posts starting with Cole’s edible-driven CVS-receipt of a post, but:

@Fire Queen Can I ask why you guys didn’t use the beserk when we were almost guaranteed a double kill?

 

[Fire Queen]

i think we weren’t sure whether to take what everyone said in the thread at face value, that’ll be a question for the berserk wolf

was expecting ryan to be bodyguard and not doctor!

 

[Zell 17]

@Ryan! @Fire Queen Welcome to dead land, I see FQ has made her way in already.

 

[Ants!]

@Ryan! Feel vindicated that you were correct about Tommy. Just can’t do anything with that information now

 

[Ants!]

i think we weren’t sure whether to take what everyone said in the thread at face value, that’ll be a question for the berserk wolf

was expecting ryan to be bodyguard and not doctor!

Like yeah, I don’t get why he said bodyguard either if he was really the doctor.

 

[Zell 17]

I think it's a really really good play. It totally fucked up the wolves while also giving him cred with the villagers and protecting himself. I like it a lot.

 

[Ants!]

Actually, now that I think about it, he could prove his role as a protector, but probably wanted the wolves to think they would need to use their berserk if they were to target him. I have to hand it to him, that is clever.

Edit: nimrodded by zell

 

[Ryan!]

My goal was to prove I protected Cole without giving away what my actual role was. I chose Bodyguard because it meant you guys would need to waste your super kill on someone, hoping to either out the Doctor or just get one of the Witches.

My strategy was going to be to try and get suspicion put on me, hoping someone would pick up on it and think I was being overly suspicious, and trying to get myself lynched. They'd think I was the Fool, and the Wolves wouldn't bother.

Also yeah, I knew Tommy was the Fool. My only other few guesses are that Kat is a special townie role and Dean is the Gunner. Kat seemed to be certain I was lying, which I was, so it's most likely she has one of the other roles.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I had guessed Ryan as the doctor in round one. Had I not been slayed by Holly, I would jave killed Ryan and Cole and had a double kill.

 

[Ryan!]

I had guessed Ryan as the doctor in round one. Had I not been slayed by Holly, I would jave killed Ryan and Cole and had a double kill.

What gave it away? I mean, besides the fact it's entirely hilarious and doesn't seem randomized?

 

[Ryan!]

So did you guys actually Shaman Holly or is Vash your guy? Because if so, masterful play.

 

[Zell 17]

They got Holly

 

[Fool's Requiem]

What gave it away? I mean, besides the fact it's entirely hilarious and doesn't seem randomized?

Coleman was talking like he was invincible and I didn't consider you being a bodyguard.

 

[Ryan!]

Man, so Vash is being truthful. Interesting.

So am I correct Dean is the Gunner? Or did I misread and he's actually a Wolf?

 

[Ryan!]

Also blundered a bit. Should have gone with Tough Guy for my lie. If the Wolves actually believed me, they wouldn't risk even using a Berserk on me since I would reveal it the next day. And if what I was trying to do worked, I would have been ignored anyway. I was gonna protect Kat tonight, since I figured you guys wouldn't waste the super kill on something that wasn't a guarantee. Probably would have just berserked Cole or Kut.

 

[Ants!]

Man, so Vash is being truthful. Interesting.

So am I correct Dean is the Gunner? Or did I misread and he's actually a Wolf?

Not saying who is or isn’t wolf, just in case someone wants to break the honor system. But hey it’s more interesting this way, no?

 

[Ants!]

This is what the second half of the loooooong first day phase felt like.

 

[Ants!]

Also Ryan, two caveats to your “they’re flying blind without their seer” comments:

1. I had time to make two readings which the townies still don’t know what those were, and

2. Everyone is basically outing themselves anyway

 

[Ryan!]

Not saying who is or isn’t wolf, just in case someone wants to break the honor system. But hey it’s more interesting this way, no?

That's fair. At this point, I'm completely out of it and am going to give you guys huge props if you take this.

Jawneh is still high on my suspect list. And Killface is being very absent overall.

 

[Tubby23]

The outing of roles I feel has detracted a little bit from how good this game could be. It's still Greta and a fascinating watch but if there was more secrecy and intrigue would be better

 

[Ryan!]

Also Ryan, two caveats to your “they’re flying blind without their seer” comments:

1. I had time to make two readings which the townies still don’t know what those were, and

2. Everyone is basically outing themselves anyway

I mean, I lied. No reason someone else didn't.

 

[Ryan!]

I do wish Cole hadn't kinda forced my confession, but I put myself in that position in the first place. But I play a lot of Caro Kann so I'm used to having to adapt. Best case scenario, Wolves believe me and don't want to waste their Berserk kill on someone who isn't the Doctor. Worst case, my other plan works and the Wolves think I'm an asset. My protections all fail and I have so much suspicion on me it seems obvious and the town refuses to vote for me because they think I'm the Fool.

 

[Ryan!]

Or, you know, FQ day kills me and ruins everything.

 

[Tubby23]

When you were on to Tommy I swore that made you more Wolf than I already thought

If we weren't after each other the Priest and Doctor role could have been a good team haha

 

[Ants!]

I mean, I lied. No reason someone else didn't.

I guess that’s true. But I think the majority of townies are probably being honest about their roles.

 

[Ryan!]

When you were on to Tommy I swore that made you more Wolf than I already thought

If we weren't after each other the Priest and Doctor role could have been a good team haha

Tommy made it so obvious, though. He went for the immediate vote call, he latched onto Cole instantly, he went completely silent when I called him out on it all. And as he said, he's just been on the defense the entire time. He didn't push theories forward. He went silent and then tried to make a very big post about how he had nothing to work with. It was too suspicious.

 

[Tubby23]

Yeah I think it was mainly down to the fact that I was in here and knew that the wolves all knew what he was so was looking for anyone who was certain on him to be a wolf

 

[Ryan!]

I guess that’s true. But I think the majority of townies are probably being honest about their roles.

I think the reason Kat knew I was lying is because she's just the third special townie. And the way FQ basically shifted blame off of her in her spiel made it seem like she was trying to get her lynched next. I'm hoping her role is a good one that can take down the Wolves.

 

[Tubby23]

I thought the same, the shifting of blame was an attempt for her to be the next lynching.

Who do you all think the Wolves target tonight?