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Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version XI Day 3

Who should the villagers lynch? (5 votes required)

  • Ben

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Benzine

    Votes: 2 13.3%

  • Dean

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Fool's Requiem

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Jon

    Votes: 7 46.7%

  • Kat

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Raine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • TD

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Tommy Boy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Tubby23

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • VashTheStampede

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • No Vote

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • Total voters
    15
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Tubby23 said:
I'm sorry but while I get what you're saying I hate the logic. Him being alive, just because he is TD, doesn't really make him any more likely to be a wolf.
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To double down on this, every one of us knows TD ends up targetted and therefore a smart strategy as a wolf (if you back your ability to avoid suspicion) is to keep TD alive as a sus magnet
 
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Deception game leaves to mistrust. Which leads to complicated discussions.
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I'm going back to trying to figure out who killed Kut. Here's my thoughts on everyone still alive:

Ben - offering to prove his role, better to take him up on it than to lynch him on suspicion. I also don't think Kelly would have trusted him with a weapon.
Benzine - possible
Dean - not likely. If you believe his claim, better not to jail him so he can read somebody. If you don't believe him, you don't jail him and then give him a weapon.
Fool's Requiem - impossible
Jon - possible
Kat - similar to Ben
Raine - claimed to visit me last night. I'm inclined to believe her because I was under so much suspicion it wasn't helpful to the wolves to clear me and I would've made a terrible alibi
TD - possible
Tommy - Cupid so he could kill anybody without risking his own death, and he could've just claimed (possibly truthfully) he thought Kut was evil even if he was outed. It'd be an interesting jailing choice by the warden, I could see it. The question for me is, would Tommy keep that info to himself?
Tubby - possible
Vash - impossible

Based on that, the people I'd consider as possibly being the killer are:
Benzine
Jon
TD
Tommy
Tubby

@Tommy Boy did you murder shortkut last night? If you thought he was a wolf, I'm sure we'd all understand.

Who else on that list would Kelly possibly trust? Jon maybe, due to the unknown aura? I'm thinking probably not Tubby, since he was muted all day, so there was less info to go on with him.

Who would take the risk if the warden wasn't known to the wolves before he killed the jailmate? Or the wolves know all the strong townies and have a seer, so they could figure out the warden for sure. But that'd mean two blind wolves and a wolf seer so that seems unlikely... but then again they haven't used any other abilities, so they probably don't have berserk, confusion, guardian, voodoo, nightmare, or shadow.
 
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Kat said:
I'm going back to trying to figure out who killed Kut. Here's my thoughts on everyone still alive:

Ben - offering to prove his role, better to take him up on it than to lynch him on suspicion. I also don't think Kelly would have trusted him with a weapon.
Benzine - possible
Dean - not likely. If you believe his claim, better not to jail him so he can read somebody. If you don't believe him, you don't jail him and then give him a weapon.
Fool's Requiem - impossible
Jon - possible
Kat - similar to Ben
Raine - claimed to visit me last night. I'm inclined to believe her because I was under so much suspicion it wasn't helpful to the wolves to clear me and I would've made a terrible alibi
TD - possible
Tommy - Cupid so he could kill anybody without risking his own death, and he could've just claimed (possibly truthfully) he thought Kut was evil even if he was outed. It'd be an interesting jailing choice by the warden, I could see it. The question for me is, would Tommy keep that info to himself?
Tubby - possible
Vash - impossible

Based on that, the people I'd consider as possibly being the killer are:
Benzine
Jon
TD
Tommy
Tubby

@Tommy Boy did you murder shortkut last night? If you thought he was a wolf, I'm sure we'd all understand.

Who else on that list would Kelly possibly trust? Jon maybe, due to the unknown aura? I'm thinking probably not Tubby, since he was muted all day, so there was less info to go on with him.

Who would take the risk if the warden wasn't known to the wolves before he killed the jailmate? Or the wolves know all the strong townies and have a seer, so they could figure out the warden for sure. But that'd mean two blind wolves and a wolf seer so that seems unlikely... but then again they haven't used any other abilities, so they probably don't have berserk, confusion, guardian, voodoo, nightmare, or shadow.
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Not questioning for the sake of questioning all the info here but when you say "Impossible" that's an opinion correct? Or do you have hard evidence you're using as well?

It would have been ballsy for Kelly to jail me, as you say I had participated in one day and as such there was too little info to know what side I am on. Certainly nothing concrete, as such that's why I would be happy for Dean to use his ability on me if he is an Aura Seer.

I think we can discount a shadow wolf existing, the others probably don't exist as you say but I'm not fully ready to let them go yet.
 
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Tubby23 said:
Not questioning for the sake of questioning all the info here but when you say "Impossible" that's an opinion correct? Or do you have hard evidence you're using as well?

It would have been ballsy for Kelly to jail me, as you say I had participated in one day and as such there was too little info to know what side I am on. Certainly nothing concrete, as such that's why I would be happy for Dean to use his ability on me if he is an Aura Seer.

I think we can discount a shadow wolf existing, the others probably don't exist as you say but I'm not fully ready to let them go yet.
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Impossible because you can't jail the same person two phases in a row, and Vash and FR were jailed the phase before
 
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Tubby23 said:
Not questioning for the sake of questioning all the info here but when you say "Impossible" that's an opinion correct? Or do you have hard evidence you're using as well?
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Unless FR and Vash are both lying about being jailed the previous night and the warden didn't bother to say so, it's definitely impossible.
 
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Kat said:
Unless FR and Vash are both lying about being jailed the previous night and the warden didn't bother to say so, it's definitely impossible.
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I don't necessarily think they were lying about being jailed. I'm sure Kelly would have called them on that, but I do of course suspect the Big Play ™️.

I just feel like FR was baiting us into killing him for a reason and don't want to facilitate whatever that is. I also do want to trust Dean, but still don't fully. It's unfortunately the only the only real option that confirms/denies his Aura Seer claim.

My true gut feeling is to kill Vash, but it doesn't directly prove anything other than him being a hippy if I'm way off base.

@Dean @VashTheStampede , which of you should I Law & Order? Letting me to try to kill you is really only in your benefit if I AM wrong and you're good guys. I go to my grave wrong and you can smugly dance on it.
 
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Ben said:
I don't necessarily think they were lying about being jailed. I'm sure Kelly would have called them on that, but I do of course suspect the Big Play ™️.

I just feel like FR was baiting us into killing him for a reason and don't want to facilitate whatever that is. I also do want to trust Dean, but still don't fully. It's unfortunately the only the only real option that confirms/denies his Aura Seer claim.

My true gut feeling is to kill Vash, but it doesn't directly prove anything other than him being a hippy if I'm way off base.

@Dean @VashTheStampede , which of you should I Law & Order? Letting me to try to kill you is really only in your benefit if I AM wrong and you're good guys. I go to my grave wrong and you can smugly dance on it.
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of those two do vash but i'd really prefer seeing jon get done
 
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Ben said:
I don't necessarily think they were lying about being jailed. I'm sure Kelly would have called them on that, but I do of course suspect the Big Play ™️.

I just feel like FR was baiting us into killing him for a reason and don't want to facilitate whatever that is. I also do want to trust Dean, but still don't fully. It's unfortunately the only the only real option that confirms/denies his Aura Seer claim.

My true gut feeling is to kill Vash, but it doesn't directly prove anything other than him being a hippy if I'm way off base.

@Dean @VashTheStampede , which of you should I Law & Order? Letting me to try to kill you is really only in your benefit if I AM wrong and you're good guys. I go to my grave wrong and you can smugly dance on it.
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I get that your usefulness is limited, but just like with FR, I don't want to see a villager die. I'm assuming you are telling the truth about being the Judge (partly because it's kind of a dumb role to lie about). Don't pick me.

Edit: I know Vash hasn't revealed his role, but I don't think he's a wolf. He had a weapon and a golden opportunity while jailed to kill a townie and draw out the Warden and he didn't do it.
 
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Ben said:
@Dean @VashTheStampede , which of you should I Law & Order? Letting me to try to kill you is really only in your benefit if I AM wrong and you're good guys. I go to my grave wrong and you can smugly dance on it.
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As much fun as it would be for me to see "Ben tried to kill Vash but was killed by angry villagers because they love and respect Vash and take great offense to these accusations" I'd rather you not throw your life away because I'd rather keep our numerical advantage.
 
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Guys, I caught up. It's a miracle.

Off the top, I do want to say that there was an extraordinarily blatant role claim made and I don't... exactly know how to interpret something about it. But that's secondary to the Warden incident, I think? Potentially, anyway.

Time to start writing now... maybe I'll finish before bed. I was exhausted before I started reading, I'm borderline comatose now.

Also just want to immediately put it out there that I voted for Fool's Requiem like an hour ago or something.

Also also, I've been getting major wolf vibes from Ben all game and I am not remotely comfortable with this thing you're entertaining doing.

Anyway!

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