Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version XI Day 3

[Dean]

There is no point in me switching my vote now. I was fine with a Jon lynch if that's what people wanted, and we've got 6 people voting for him with less than an hour left.

I bought into his story of being busier with work and shit, but then Tommy pointed out that he was posting elsewhere, so now I don't know.

I'll be glad when this phase and this game is over.

 

[Tubby23]

Hopefully the southern hemisphere planned ahead, but I feel like they're usually pretty good at that particular move.

I'll be able to skip when we go to night

 

[Dean]

Change to Jon in case somebody tries to jump off

SKIP

 

[VashTheStampede]

7 votes on Jon out of a possible 10 (not counting my own because duh)

I'm almost okay with that ratio

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yeah, the whole "I'm busy" thing works both ways.

I can understand people being frustrated for getting called out for low activity when they are busy.

But you also signed up for a game where it's no secret that people look at that sort of thing.

Which also leads to the possible strategy of lying about being busy.

If you're so concerned about being too busy to play...

...I miss Alu. Game feels weird without him.

 

[Dean]

7 votes on Jon out of a possible 10 (not counting my own because duh)

I'm almost okay with that ratio

I was voting for Jon with several others, and then Tubby tagged him for any defense. Jon gave his sus list, some people (including me) switched to Benzine. Tommy pointed out at some point that Jon was more active elsewhere. Other people don't believe Jon.

I just want it on record in case Jon is the Marksman that I am merely going along with the popular opinion. I didn't want us to be down 6 vs 3 with a Cupid Love Triangle among the group that might win the game for the wolves.

I'll check Tubby tonight if I survive.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also Tubby literally won a game while he couldn't even look at a screen.

I don't care if you're busy, you're still a threat.

 

[Dean]

Yeah, the whole "I'm busy" thing works both ways.

I can understand people being frustrated for getting called out for low activity when they are busy.

But you also signed up for a game where it's no secret that people look at that sort of thing.

Which also leads to the possible strategy of lying about being busy.

If you're so concerned about being too busy to play...

...I miss Alu. Game feels weird without him.

I was mad when people were going to lynch me as Avenger when I got slammed at work and my family was sick. Shit happens that you don't plan for, and these games are too tempting to pass up.

 

[VashTheStampede]

All that said, I am much more suspect of Benzine than Jon.

 

[Dean]

All that said, I am much more suspect of Benzine than Jon.

I tried... But Benzine is so persuasive. He doesn't even have to say much.

Honestly, there is a shortlist of people who rarely get lynched in these games. Benzine, Cole, Alu, and you are four people who almost never get lynched.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Cole never had time to get lynched before getting fkn merc'd

 

[Dean]

I'm sorry if Jon is the Marksman and I just fucked this up for the town. I am hoping we take a break from these games the next couple of weeks. This one has really gotten to me.

 

[VashTheStampede]

TD usually is the same as Cole. Dean, you said it yourself that him still being around is suspect as all hell.

Personally, I've been treating this game as kind of a Karma Bank. Purposely tried to shove people away from Kat day 1 because she's always a quick kill. Haven't gone hard at TD or Raine for the same reason. And theres a good chance my play has suffered for that. But I feel everyone should get an equal chance to play.

That said, after this game my conscience is clear about instakilling literally anyone.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Skip, I guess. 30 min left, and I doubt the others are going to skip.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm sorry if Jon is the Marksman and I just fucked this up for the town. I am hoping we take a break from these games the next couple of weeks. This one has really gotten to me.

You should totally consider sitting out a game if you think it will help.

I had to sit out Jon's game even though I absolutely ADORE the theme, because the ol Depression Monster was beating my ass.

 

[Dean]

You should totally consider sitting out a game if you think it will help.

I had to sit out Jon's game even though I absolutely ADORE the theme, because the ol Depression Monster was beating my ass.

I think I just set the bar too high for myself most of the time. I want to be a top tier player like Cole, but I don't think I can ever win with that style. I haven't been able to find a good strategy or playing style or whatever.

When I've been a wolf, I was usually one of the first to die, and it exposed my team. When I've been a townie, I've been more or less useless, other than going along with votes more or less. The few times I've had killing powers, I've killed the wrong person. That's why I totally get Jon's hesitation, if he is being honest about being the Marksman. Not only do you have to take a shot in the dark, but if you hit a villager, you're fucked.

There was at least one game where I focused day two-three, pulled together notes, and helped narrow down the wolves. But that game had precise roles and role claims. This game, we don't even know which roles exist, and a lot of people refuse to claim.

I'm just being whiny and whatever right now about it. It's just a game. I wish I was better at it, you know? I haven't found my rhythm in any of these games. I don't feel like I'm contributing much at all. I think I got so defensive about FR because I felt like I could finally contribute something by clearing a townie and then people wanted to take him out.

 

[Ben]

Okay it's time for Vash's Late Day Bullshit!

Dean is full of shit.

He's afraid Kat's role would out him as a wolf.

He claims he's scared that it will give the wolves an advantage to kill another townie.

So he has decided to rest the game on...killing a person he cleared with an Unknown aura?

That would mean that Jon is specifically the Alpha Wolf.

...which I guess would explain his lackadaisical response to getting lynched. He knows he's got a 1-Up in his pocket.

Okay its not a perfect theory, but what is?

Also again, he'd be following the Zell Playbook by coming out early with a Seer claim and now focusing us on taking out a killing role.

Also Tubby being so opposed to Kat outing a role is super sus to me as well. Just throwing that out there.

Your own defense is largely predicated around Dean's testimony though. Fool's being stated to be a good aura, the implication that you didn't take the chance to shiv them meaning you can't be a wolf, etc. You even stated yourself, when you two were jailed you came up with some plan to expose the Warden by having them post some secret code, stating it was to mention a fruit, but even that could be bullshit and you caused Kelly to give themselves away in some other manner, securing the Warden's kill the next night.

Now that it seems like (almost) everyone's buying the push to lynch Jon, you come in to switch at the metaphorical last hour and distance yourself from the outcome. I get the not wanting to push people who haven't gotten to play much out of the game early, which is fair, but this would be the point I'd expect that to benevolence to drop in favor of actual game play.

It all seems like very well laid out cover.

I will die on this hill (perhaps literally.)

(I'll also state that someone stating they're busy but still posting elsewhere isn't a glaring tell for me. These threads take a LOT to follow and respond to. There's a vast difference from having the time/spoons to post about other things on this forum than there is between crafting an entire defense to try to convince a dozen other suspicious fucks of something.)

 

[Tubby23]

I was voting for Jon with several others, and then Tubby tagged him for any defense. Jon gave his sus list, some people (including me) switched to Benzine. Tommy pointed out at some point that Jon was more active elsewhere. Other people don't believe Jon.

I just want it on record in case Jon is the Marksman that I am merely going along with the popular opinion. I didn't want us to be down 6 vs 3 with a Cupid Love Triangle among the group that might win the game for the wolves.

I'll check Tubby tonight if I survive.

To be fair, I think the amount of posting Jon did elsewhere has been overstated. Especially given the extra reading required to post in Wolf compared to just in another thread.

 

[Dean]

(I'll also state that someone stating they're busy but still posting elsewhere isn't a glaring tell for me. These threads take a LOT to follow and respond to. There's a vast difference from having the time/spoons to post about other things on this forum than there is between crafting an entire defense to try to convince a dozen other suspicious fucks of something.)

To be fair, I think the amount of posting Jon did elsewhere has been overstated. Especially given the extra reading required to post in Wolf compared to just in another thread.

I seriously didn't even look at what Jon said outside of here. I was just going off what Tommy said about him being active elsewhere.

You both raise a good point. This game requires a massive time and energy dump that Jon may not have been able to do.

I don't feel good about this one. I know @VashTheStampede was okay with the ratio, but it looks like too many people are on board. We may have just fucked ourselves.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Your own defense is largely predicated around Dean's testimony though. Fool's being stated to be a good aura, the implication that you didn't take the chance to shiv them meaning you can't be a wolf, etc. You even stated yourself, when you two were jailed you came up with some plan to expose the Warden by having them post some secret code, stating it was to mention a fruit, but even that could be bullshit and you caused Kelly to give themselves away in some other manner, securing the Warden's kill the next night.

All this evidence is just a Keyser Soze style master plan!!!

Now that it seems like (almost) everyone's buying the push to lynch Jon, you come in to switch at the metaphorical last hour and distance yourself from the outcome.

I didn't switch. I was not on him. My vote has been on Kat the majority of the time.

It all seems like very well laid out cover.

I will die on this hill (perhaps literally.)

Yeah, honestly at this point I'd love for you to use your (possibly non-existant) power on me just to spite you.

Dude out here hearing hooves and looking for a zebra.

 

[Zell 17]

Dude out here hearing hooves and looking for a zebra.

 

[Dean]

I'm surprised that with as much Peppa Pig as I've watched between babysitting my niece and raising my own kid, I don't pronounce that the British way in my head.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Gonna look REAL bad when Jon is the Alpha Wolf and I failed to vote for TWO wolves

 

[Dean]

 

[Dean]

 

[VashTheStampede]

YALL BETTER SKIP THE NIGHT PHASE

 

[Tubby23]

We could make it 5-5
For lols

 

[Dean]

YALL BETTER SKIP THE NIGHT PHASE

Are you not gonna be here at 9 pm tonight?

 

[VashTheStampede]

We could make it 5-5
For lols

And I get to kill Ben?

Fucking TEMPTING

 

[Dean]

We could make it 5-5
For lols

What happens then though? Would Ben's Judge powers activate?

 

[Tubby23]

And I get to kill Ben?

Fucking TEMPTING

Ben kills Benzine, Jon lives. Then we kill Kat or someone

 

[Tubby23]

What happens then though? Would Ben's Judge powers activate?

Yes

 

[Dean]

With only 3 minutes left, we should probably just go with what we got, I guess

 

[Tubby23]

Ok, fair enough

 

[Dean]

TWO MINUTES UNTIL DESTRUCTION

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Dean]

Ope one minute now

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Dean]

 

[Ben]

All this evidence is just a Keyser Soze style master plan!!!



I didn't switch. I was not on him. My vote has been on Kat the majority of the time.


Yeah, honestly at this point I'd love for you to use your (possibly non-existant) power on me just to spite you.

Dude out here hearing hooves and looking for a zebra.

Gonna look REAL bad when Jon is the Alpha Wolf and I failed to vote for TWO wolves

If I'm wrong, then I'll eat crow. Either way I'll at least know I went down following my own suspicions and not from being bamboozled, and I'm fine with that.

As Dean stated it seems like you always get a pass at these things just for being you, so...

 

[Zell 17]

The village attempted to lynch Jon, but he could not be killed!

The Alpha Wolf has been attacked.