Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version XI Day 3

[Benzine]

Unless Fool's is the... Fool? And just paired up with a wolf. That'd explain their trying to get themselves killed too. That then leads to not knowing who the 3rd wolf is.

Can't be, can't be a fool and cupid.

 

[Kat]

I think if we were to follow this idea at all, I should convict Dean as I suspect he's a big fibber about the seer role. If I'm wrong and he's telling the truth, I get a new necktie but it'll prove Dean to be legit and he'll stay alive. We're still potentially going to lose a villager, but it seems a safer way to confirm it.

That then leaves you, claiming the Loudmouth, to pick someone else to rat out if you're killed by the wolves. Anyone with a seer role could check you tonight, and there's a chance the wolves won't want to pick you as a kill since you'd possibly give them away, somewhat providing protection.

But if you successfully kill a wolf tomorrow with your ability (which is more likely with the additional info), that makes you a confirmed townie who is still alive. If you die confirming him, then the town still won't be sure about me or Raine.

Your plan is better if you're right about Dean, though. I'm not convinced he's a wolf, but if most people think he is, then we can have you do your thing instead. I should pick a new target in that case, though.

 

[Tubby23]

@Zell 17 would the Judge killing the fool count as a lynch and therefore meet the Fool roles win conditions?

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 would the Judge killing the fool count as a lynch and therefore meet the Fool roles win conditions?

No

 

[Benzine]

what's the problem?

i'm actually gonna start getting ruder, i say things and get reactions like this. vash being hella dumb last few pages afai am concerned.

 

[Tubby23]

No

Thank you

 

[TD]

The Fool would only exist if Tommy is lying about being Cupid.

 

[Tubby23]

what's the problem?

i'm actually gonna start getting ruder, i say things and get reactions like this. vash being hella dumb last few pages afai am concerned.

You asked what you need to do when the posts just above it clearly (IMO) stated what would need to be done.

 

[Tubby23]

The Fool would only exist if Tommy is lying about being Cupid.

Imagine he's become an absolute mastermind

 

[Dean]

I'm down for whatever, as long as it doesn't involve killing Fool's Requiem or me, obviously. If you guys have a way to sniff it out, just let me know. I'm wrapping gifts and working on a video but checking regularly for now.

 

[TD]

I'd argue that TDs original plan of killing FR is a better play.

He has already claimed to be relatively worthless, role-wise. Good chance of outing the Lovers situation. And a chance to keep a seer if Dean is legit and uncoupled.

Wait.

Are you thinking what we thought Dean was a couple games ago?

 

[Tubby23]

I'm down for whatever, as long as it doesn't involve killing Fool's Requiem or me, obviously. If you guys have a way to sniff it out, just let me know. I'm wrapping gifts and working on a video but checking regularly for now.

So you are coupled or a wolf.

If you were truly just a Seer and have FR saying his role is useless townie than a lynch of him shouldn't worry you

 

[VashTheStampede]

Wait.

Are you thinking what we thought Dean was a couple games ago?

Honestly hadn't considered that. I don't think so though

 

[Dean]

So you are coupled or a wolf.

If you were truly just a Seer and have FR saying his role is useless townie than a lynch of him shouldn't worry you

I'm a seer and Fool's is the only verified good townie (besides me and the dead ones).

If you guys are 100% set on killing FR, I've already explained why that is stupid.

 

[TD]

So you are coupled or a wolf.

If you were truly just a Seer and have FR saying his role is useless townie than a lynch of him shouldn't worry you

Wait didn't Tommy try to steer us away from FR and Dean?

 

[Dean]

This shit is ridiculous

 

[VashTheStampede]

Wait didn't Tommy try to steer us away from FR and Dean?

He convinced me that FR was a Lover. Dean's doing his part still to prove the other side of the equation

 

[Tubby23]

I'm a seer and Fool's is the only verified good townie (besides me and the dead ones).

If you guys are 100% set on killing FR, I've already explained why that is stupid.

I get you say that, but we have only your word to go on. No other hard evidence.

Your seer checks could all be seen as convenient. FR to protect a wolf or your couple, Jon to throw suspicion on a player who has been relatively uninvolved and then shortkut when he's already dead and role proven.

 

[Dean]

If you guys want to kill a known townie, then go ahead

 

[TD]

@VashTheStampede
You spent time with FR in jail. I know at the time you didn't want to swing. Have any of these thoughts changed?

 

[Tubby23]

It also doesn't help that prior games you've been adamant about things that I then believed which then turned out to be lies

 

[Dean]

@Tommy Boy wanna trade roles?

 

[Dean]

Changing to no vote and going to go drink

 

[VashTheStampede]

@VashTheStampede
You spent time with FR in jail. I know at the time you didn't want to swing. Have any of these thoughts changed?

I feel LESS sure about not swinging but I probably still wouldn't swing.

Note that if I was wrong, I would have died

 

[Kat]

What were the possible reasons Tommy gave for choosing his couple? Can one apply to FR and Dean?

• One is a new player and one is experienced - not applicable
• It's strategic, they're likely to win - ehh sorry guys, going to say no to this one
• It'd be funny - IMO not applicable, I can think of much funnier pairings

He gave a fourth possibility but I don't remember it. Does anyone else?

 

[Tubby23]

@Zell 17 can you confirm if a Cupid is in the game, the couple's win condition is to be the last two alive or do they win as part of the town? Or does their win condition override the towns and if there are no baddies left the couple wins?

 

[Kat]

@Zell 17 can you confirm if a Cupid is in the game, the couple's win condition is to be the last two alive or do they win as part of the town? Or does their win condition override the towns and if there are no baddies left the couple wins?

He already said if the town meets their win condition, the town wins, even if the couple is both still alive.

 

[Tubby23]

He already said if the town meets their win condition, the town wins, even if the couple is both still alive.

Thank you, sorry I missed that

 

[Kat]

Thank you, sorry I missed that

I think it was a different game, so no worries!

 

[Ben]

I'm a seer and Fool's is the only verified good townie (besides me and the dead ones).

If you guys are 100% set on killing FR, I've already explained why that is stupid.

Read; "a seer". I feel if I had the Aura Seer role or something else specific, I'd be inclined to state that and not just "a seer".

 

[Kat]

Read; "a seer". I feel if I had the Aura Seer role or something else specific, I'd be inclined to state that and not just "a seer".

Really? He's been very obvious about what type of seer he's claiming since day one. Does he really need to specify it every time?

 

[Tubby23]

Really? He's been very obvious about what type of seer he's claiming since day one. Does he really need to specify it every time?

If he was specific it would give him no outs if shit hit the fan is my only thought

 

[Kat]

If he was specific it would give him no outs if shit hit the fan is my only thought

He has been specific. He's given aura readings over and over. There's no ambiguity. It's weird to suggest there is.

 

[Benzine]

Kat I don't wanna kill you, I'd rather we risk it with someone who is a wolf like Jon.

 

[Tubby23]

He has been specific. He's given aura readings over and over. There's no ambiguity. It's weird to suggest there is.

There's ambiguity in my opinion until we have hard evidence and in my opinion there's ambiguity in the language used. It feels careful

 

[Ben]

He has been specific. He's given aura readings over and over. There's no ambiguity. It's weird to suggest there is.

Wolf Seer would be just as capable of checking someone's role directly, then only providing their alignment out of the dictionary. Just because he stated people are "unknown" or "good", doesn't necessarily prove it.

I do get the maybe just getting tired of stating it fully every time, but I still feel suspicious.

 

[Kat]

I still think Dean is legit. He's understandably frustrated that he has what should be a useful role and he's struggling to get anybody to believe him. The one useful read he has is being used as a justification to kill a townie. I'd be annoyed too!

And realistically, even if we do kill FR and he is good, it doesn't clear Dean. Dean could be a wolf seer, picked an actually good person for the first read as cover, picked the alpha wolf for his second read since it'd check out but not give anything away, then picked a dead guy for his third. So if we kill FR and he's a townie, what do we really get out of it? Nothing imo.

Shortkut was a reasonable choice. The warden found him suspicious enough to give a wolf a weapon to kill him with. I had him as my target until he was killed.

The only dangerous situation is if they're coupled and FR is a wolf. If they're both townies and coupled, that's even less reason to kill either of them.

 

[Kat]

Wolf Seer would be just as capable of checking someone's role directly, then only providing their alignment out of the dictionary. Just because he stated people are "unknown" or "good", doesn't necessarily prove it.

I do get the maybe just getting tired of stating it fully every time, but I still feel suspicious.

I'm not saying he's definitely what he's claiming. I'm saying his claim is specifically aura seer and there's no room to say he's been ambiguous in his claim.

 

[Tubby23]

I still think Dean is legit. He's understandably frustrated that he has what should be a useful role and he's struggling to get anybody to believe him. The one useful read he has is being used as a justification to kill a townie. I'd be annoyed too!

And realistically, even if we do kill FR and he is good, it doesn't clear Dean. Dean could be a wolf seer, picked an actually good person for the first read as cover, picked the alpha wolf for his second read since it'd check out but not give anything away, then picked a dead guy for his third. So if we kill FR and he's a townie, what do we really get out of it? Nothing imo.

Shortkut was a reasonable choice. The warden found him suspicious enough to give a wolf a weapon to kill him with. I had him as my target until he was killed.

The only dangerous situation is if they're coupled and FR is a wolf. If they're both townies and coupled, that's even less reason to kill either of them.

Yes but if they are coupled and Dean is the Wolf Seer (ETA: or any other wolf) tean Fool's "useless role" is worth the sacrifice

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Wait didn't Tommy try to steer us away from FR and Dean?

Did he? Wouldn't it benefit him to steer into me and Dean since we're not? Don't need to lie to steer into two fake lovers in order to keep his true lovers alive.

 

[Kat]

Yes but if they are coupled and Dean is the Wolf Seer (ETA: or any other wolf) tean Fool's "useless role" is worth the sacrifice

It's a big if. If he's not then it's a completely wasted lynch and we're down a townie for no reason.

We also have Raine who can check if someone is evil without killing them. Although we should be careful with that because the wolves can go for the two for one.

@Fool's Requiem, you said your role is mostly useless. Is there any way we can arrange a situation where your role is helpful?

 

[Ben]

We also have Raine who can check if someone is evil without killing them. Although we should be careful with that because the wolves can go for the two for one.

If Raine actually is the Red Lady, if they check someone evil then they themselves die. That's not a foolproof way to validate someone.

Raine is certainly welcome to visit ME tonight as the only thing I have to hide is my delicious fudge.

Judge Fudge.



EDIT: Although unnecessary if I get to use my loud hammer on some wolfman nards.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Fool's Requiem, you said your role is mostly useless. Is there any way we can arrange a situation where your role is helpful?

Luck

 

[Kat]

Luck

You better not be claiming bell ringer.

 

[Kat]

If Raine actually is the Red Lady, if they check someone evil then they themselves die. That's not a foolproof way to validate someone.

Yeah I know, but that way if we lose a townie, we also find a wolf. It's better than killing a townie to confirm they're a townie.

With all that said...

The town has lynched evil people I wasn't strongly suspicious of two days in a row. If you all really feel that strongly about FR, I'll go along with it, despite my reservations.

 

[Tubby23]

Yeah I know, but that way if we lose a townie, we also find a wolf. It's better than killing a townie to confirm they're a townie.

With all that said...

The town has lynched evil people I wasn't strongly suspicious of two days in a row. If you all really feel that strongly about FR, I'll go along with it, despite my reservations.

I don't feel strongly that Fool is a wolf, to be clear I feel strongly that he is coupled with Dean who is the wolf

 

[VashTheStampede]

I just have an aversion to lynching a townie on purpose to find a wolf when we could go with a random villager and maybe get a wolf. It could even be a boat!

Although I wish I would have thought of it when I was Loudmouth because I'd totally do it.

 

[Kat]

All right I'm going to do some real role fishing now.

@Fool's Requiem what is your role? If it's really useless then telling won't make you a wolf target. Maybe we can find a way to help you use it.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

All right I'm going to do some real role fishing now.

@Fool's Requiem what is your role? If it's really useless then telling won't make you a wolf target. Maybe we can find a way to help you use it.

no

 

[VashTheStampede]

no