VTS Mafia The Morgue (Year 2)

[TD]

For the record - I should clarify. I'm saying those are the odds based on how everyone plays these games too and not solely based on role/game structure.

I felt the need to clarify because I don't want you to think I'm attacking the balance you and Christina worked on.

There are some things I don't agree with but the biggest factor is how people play this games.

It's the same thing with Zell's games. Not perfectly balanced but the odds of the baddies winning are better than the current record indicates but it again comes down to how everyone plays.

 

[Kat]

I agree, with the way the town plays, they're doomed. They've already wasted two days of trials. I think it's a good thing though, it'll force people to change strategies next time, which will make the game more fun.

 

[TD]

I agree, with the way the town plays, they're doomed. They've already wasted two days of trials. I think it's a good thing though, it'll force people to change strategies next time, which will make the game more fun.

The town did this sort of in the first game though. Even with stuff that shouldn't have happened - it took the town absurdly long to kill somebody because there's such an aversion to being wrong.

People need to realize that with these townie to mafia/wolf ratios it can be okay to accidentally kill a townie.

I'd much rather kill a highly sus townie rather than let a potential baddie walk because you don't have 100% proof.

 

[Kat]

The town did this sort of in the first game though. Even with stuff that shouldn't have happened - it took the town absurdly long to kill somebody because there's such an aversion to being wrong.

People need to realize that with these townie to mafia/wolf ratios it can be okay to accidentally kill a townie.

I'd much rather kill a highly sus townie rather than let a potential baddie walk because you don't have 100% proof.

I think part of that hesitation is because of the backlash that has occurred when people made reasonable accusations that turned out to be wrong. I'm not sure how to change that attitude, though.

 

[TD]

I think part of that hesitation is because of the backlash that has occurred when people made reasonable accusations that turned out to be wrong. I'm not sure how to change that attitude, though.

What kind of backlash has happened? Like someone gets targeted in game or other stuff?

 

[TD]

Local is playing really well.
I'm rooting for you Local!

 

[Kat]

What kind of backlash has happened? Like someone gets targeted in game or other stuff?

Just a lot of saltiness over being killed or killing a townie.

 

[Kat]

I missed the gypsy role also being a possibility for Tommy Boy, so they may struggle to identify Fool if that is his role and there aren't conflicting claims.

 

[TD]

I missed the gypsy role also being a possibility for Tommy Boy, so they may struggle to identify Fool if that is his role and there aren't conflicting claims.

Tommy also challenged that FR was the Peeping Tom, albeit not strongly.

Tommy being gypsy makes sense since Benzine was Death tarot.

That's what I'd guess too lol

 

[TD]

I haven't played much different than normal. I was collecting tell possibilities but I was using my normal tactics of identifying sus people and then trying to see tells within their posts.

 

[Kat]

Look at all the people mentioning wolf and quoting mentions of it. They're never going to find the person with that tell.

 

[TD]

It's hilarious how it's been established how you shouldn't talk about animals yet here the citizens are like wolf wolf wolf wolf.

They're going to implode and at this point it's just funny.

 

[Kat]

What do we think about Jon? He's putting the focus on finding the bomber, which would make sense for a mafia member. He quoted a post mentioning wolf and mentioned it again himself.

 

[TD]

What do we think about Jon? He's putting the focus on finding the bomber, which would make sense for a mafia member. He quoted a post mentioning wolf and mentioned it again himself.

He had a tell of words in caps both day 1 and day 2.

He's also been hinting that he was targeted by the con man.

He seems to be genuinely helpful to me so I'm inclined to believe he's a citizen hit by the con man.

 

[TD]

Which would mean the mafia roles are Don, Consig, Button Man, Con Man.

Something no one has talked about I think.

 

[Christina]

I haven't played much different than normal. I was collecting tell possibilities but I was using my normal tactics of identifying sus people and then trying to see tells within their posts.

This was my thought of what you would do. Reverse engineering. Knowing somebody was sus but trying to find a tell to confirm what you already knew.

I was thinking this roll might get you second guessing yourself and could drive you batty.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Look at all the people mentioning wolf and quoting mentions of it. They're never going to find the person with that tell.

 

[TD]

This was my thought of what you would do. Reverse engineering. Knowing somebody was sus but trying to find a tell to confirm what you already knew.

I was thinking this roll might get you second guessing yourself and could drive you batty.

I second guess myself and drive myself batty enough without the tell system.

With it? My brain is ALLLLL over the place.

I'm a chronic overthinker. I try to genuinely consider all possible scenarios for better or worse.

I also often come up with strategies based on what I would do which is a dangerous game because there's not many strategies I wouldn't try.

 

[Kat]

Which would mean the mafia roles are Don, Consig, Button Man, Con Man.

Something no one has talked about I think.

I think Jon posted those as the roles, actually. But it's pretty obvious those are the roles if you believe Jon about being targeted by the con man, so it's not super helpful. But nobody else has hinted at being targeted, so either he's being truthful or he's a mobster of a different role (though this could become risky when his ability is used) or is the con man and didn't target anyone (which would be kinda genius actually).

 

[TD]

I think Jon posted those as the roles, actually. But it's pretty obvious those are the roles if you believe Jon about being targeted by the con man, so it's not super helpful.

What I've learned is never assume it's obvious unless multiple people are on board. So many people overlook things.

It's pretty important to know because it means no mob lawyer. Cleaner too but mob lawyer is a big one.

 

[TD]

Kat, just gonna say I appreciate that you go down the strategy rabbit hole much like I do.

 

[TD]

This is how I felt when I saw Alu SAY Ron Swanson in Day 2 and I just decided to stop.

 

[Kat]

What I've learned is never assume it's obvious unless multiple people are on board. So many people overlook things.

It's pretty important to know because it means no mob lawyer. Cleaner too but mob lawyer is a big one.

Sure, it's definitely good to point out. But if you were a mobster trying to appear to be helpful without actually giving the citizens much of an advantage, that would be a good way to do it.

I don't know Jon well enough to know if that's his style or not, but some players would absolutely play a bad guy that way.

 

[TD]

Also I think the mafia benefits most from high post counts without going over 30 to make it less likely the bomber targets them.

I don't know Jon well enough to know if that's his style or not, but some players would absolutely play a bad guy that way.

I think this is the first one he's played. I don't know if he has past experience in these games from OG GW but he's doing quite well for his first game.

 

[Christina]

I second guess myself and drive myself batty enough without the tell system.

With it? My brain is ALLLLL over the place.

I'm a chronic overthinker. I try to genuinely consider all possible scenarios for better or worse.

I also often come up with strategies based on what I would do which is a dangerous game because there's not many strategies I wouldn't try.

This was my brain during that cupid game.

 

[TD]

We are quite alike then.

 

[Christina]

The problem comes when people don't do what seems like the most obvious thing to do, or they do something that makes no dang since as to why anybody would do it.

 

[Kat]

The problem comes when people don't do what seems like the most obvious thing to do, or they do something that makes no dang since as to why anybody would do it.

Yeah! It's hard to tell between somebody being suspicious because they're evil and being suspicious because they're just erratic as a person.

 

[finlandguy]

I guess Dean is staying.

Welcome @Jawneh !

Finally someone talks to me! Man it was boring on the other side.

 

[TD]

Finally someone talks to me! Man it was boring on the other side.

Pst.

I'm pretty sure you were right about FR's tell and right about Kelly too.

 

[TD]

Yeah! It's hard to tell between somebody being suspicious because they're evil and being suspicious because they're just erratic as a person.

Hence my permanent state of sus.

 

[Kat]

Pst.

I'm pretty sure you were right about FR's tell and right about Kelly too.

It's surprising nobody has asked why Jawneh was targeted by the button man. Pointing out a tell of Fool's seems like an obvious reason.

 

[finlandguy]

Pst.

I'm pretty sure you were right about FR's tell and right about Kelly too.

Yeah. I went with not guilty since we could come back and I could also get a tell. But I went too heavy on the hint about my role and the mob was like nope.

 

[TD]

It's surprising nobody has asked why Jawneh was targeted by the button man. Pointing out a tell of Fool's seems like an obvious reason.

I've noticed that the town always makes a major mistake and not questioning/investigating why certain people are killed.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yeah. I went with not guilty since we could come back and I could also get a tell. But I went too heavy on the hint about my role and the mob was like nope.

So a fun thing about your role is that all you had to do was get on a jury to get a mobster.

If you find them Not Guilty and they're a Citizen, you get a Clue. If you find them Not Guilty and you don't get a Clue, you'd know they weren't a Citizen...

 

[Christina]

I've noticed that the town always makes a major mistake and not questioning/investigating why certain people are killed.

As a bad guy, your fret over them doing it and they don't.

 

[finlandguy]

One thing I missed out on since none else wanted to talk to me was telling Tommy if he wanted me to be his queen. But he also died so that doesn't make a difference lol

 

[TD]

As a bad guy, your fret over them doing it and they don't.

1000%.

Bad guys just need to kill who's a threat and not overthink it in these games.

Nobody has questioned why me, Dean, or Jawneh were killed.

Towns literally act like it means nothing and it blows my mind.

If I'm a town member I'm going to see what that person was saying.

 

[Christina]

1000%.

Bad guys just need to kill who's a threat and not overthink it in these games.

Nobody has questioned why me, Dean, or Jawneh were killed.

Towns literally act like it means nothing and it blows my mind.

If I'm a town member I'm going to see what that person was saying.

I tried and you protected yourself.....

 

[TD]

I tried and you protected yourself.....

 

[finlandguy]

So a fun thing about your role is that all you had to do was get on a jury to get a mobster.

If you find them Not Guilty and they're a Citizen, you get a Clue. If you find them Not Guilty and you don't get a Clue, you'd know they weren't a Citizen...

Look at this Dean. Look at this. I may be dead, but I also got no tells.

And Kelly is like very much a nogoodnick. Tells or not, my feels have been pretty spot on lately. Sadly, only him and Fool though. Everyone else was either going bananas or monkeying around.

 

[TD]

And Kelly is like very much a nogoodnick. Tells or not, my feels have been pretty spot on lately. Sadly, only him and Fool though.

I've noticed that you and I always tend to get the same feels...

 

[finlandguy]

I've noticed that you and I always tend to get the same feels...

We're hardcore twinning in these games.

 

[Christina]

Jawneh you do realize Dean is dead too right?

 

[Christina]

This chat may contain all the knowledge the city needs, but there is no way to tell them! Purgatory!

 

[finlandguy]

Jawneh you do realize Dean is dead too right?

No lol

 

[Dean]

I just need to play more games and get better.

 

[Christina]

So now that Jawneh has 100% confirmed that Fools is a bad guy. How the bloody hell did the city not kill him?!

 

[TD]

So now that Jawneh has 100% confirmed that Fools is a bad guy. How the bloody hell did the city not kill him?!

 

[finlandguy]

Okay, I'm gonna go do some stuff before starting to read this thing and see how badly TD thought I was mafia until I was dead.