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We got about 4 hours left and it's still not clear who the town is going for or who the shadow is creeping up on.

WHAT A SLOBBER KNOCKER!
 
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Zell 17 said:
Let's say day 1 in this game you have a wolf fake spirit seer one fake aura seer and one claim something like red lady who visited the fake spirit seer and the last wolf claims the role of whoever you are deciding to sell. So lets say they decide to sell Benzine:

Wolf 1 as Spirit Seer: Benzine and Holly are RED
Wolf 2 as Aura Seer: Benzine is Evil
Wolf 3 as Red Lady: I visited Wolf 1 and they are not a killer.
Benzine claims Conjuror.
Wolf 4: Benzine is fake I'm the real Conjuror.
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I figured this would be the case, but:

1) You're balance tuning for endgame when the players are lollygagging in the open world before the first dungeon still setting up their hotbars and HUDs. Translation: You're coming at this from a ranked balance perspective and expecting people that have never played before/barely pay attention to perform competently in order to have a chance at winning.
2) You're saying "this game" while specifically ignoring the circumstances of my demise and a combination of time zones and the Shadow Wolf shutting down discussion. In this theoretical situation, that had to be concocted in advance and literally cannot change midflow (if shadows were to descend, else we're pushing no talking during the day out to Day 4), which wolf was I supposed to be so the class can see how quickly this deteriorates. 👀

If we had ample time to comb through roles, weigh options, even begin to remotely account for the defector - sure. A sound strategy could have maybe been formed, and possibly followed to some minor extent. Game theory =/= reality, unfortunately.

Zell 17 said:
Fun fact:

In ALL of the games we've had, with all of the seers we've had in each game: Not one time has any of the seers ever checked someone who has claimed a role. They've all gone and focused on unclaimed players. And been VERY successful in doing so, I might add.
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Voting for Zell 17.

Local Hero also checked Fool's Requiem in the game with the Confusion Wolf. So we're up to 2/6 (1/3) games where this definitely happened. To timeout with you, wolfie! :nuts

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Eventually after a couple games with aggressive baddies claiming early - this whole mindset of the early claims being the real ones will shift, until then people will keep believing the early claims.
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I'm less confident, honestly. They've had some pretty decent rug pulls already and still seem very eager to believe whatever claims emerge early. Even providing perfectly sound, logical alternatives doesn't register much. And I don't mean this game, I mean when you and I were wolves and doing a better job being townies than the proper townies. :giggle
 
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Christina said:
I'm going to be honest, if I'm on team wolf in this game, I would eat the Instigator wolf the moment I knew who they were. They are not really on your team and it's a 2 for 1. Down side being the killer can now kill. Do they start killing wolfs?
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Zell 17 said:
Don't even eat them, sell them! Push the village to waste a kill on them.
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How funny would it be if the Instigator is willing to sacrifice the wolf Instigator to start killing?
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Oh... I was going to quote something I wrote, but it was part of a super big rant I deleted. Whoops. :chuckle

If, in an alternate timeline, I wasn't checked Night 0 - this game would be quite different. And even moreso if the instigated wolf was me. I legitimately would not tell the Instigator who the wolves were, nor vice versa. The best approach is to be an intermediary, force a mutually beneficial exposure of the instigated wolf and get the Instigator killing ASAP (unless the corrupted townie is super good, like the current 3x Preacher). Having the extra +2 for the wolves during shadow periods isn't, in theory, all that important.

Especially here where, ostensibly, both Shadow Wolf abilities are being negated. The single nightly wolf kill cannot secure victory alone, we've seen this time and time again. The board resolves and the game ends far too quickly for that.
 
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Everyone out here telling Tubby how to vote. UH UH! This aussie will not listen to your wild allegation and or participate in these backdoor shenanigans!

Jawneh - come on down and watch the murder spree!
 
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Christina said:
Oh of course! Though my son's bday is coming up and I need to probably shift my focus to brownies. Nobody in our house really likes cake, so I have to get creative with other desserts. My son always picks brownies. He's also wanting an iron man theme. It was easier when he picked minecraft. I just used the brownies along with blue jello and rice crispy treats to make a minecraft landscape. I have no idea how to dress up brownies for iron man.
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How about making ‘em look like the arc reactors with some colored icing?
 
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It's going to be hilarious if Jawneh ends up being the Flagger or something and the town just killed him instead of whoever the wolves had in mind.
 
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Welcome to the land of the dead Team Jawbby!

How does it feel?
WE HAVE COOKIES. WE HAVE COMMENTARY. WE HAVE SHIT POSTING!

It's gonna be a good time in here - we promise!

Do you think your boss will pull it off and avenge you!?
 
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Why thank you for the cookies. I need a snack after all this.

Oh wow. Our conjuror hasn't been here at all. That's a bit interesting.

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Do you think your boss will pull it off and avenge you!?
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Well, that's a tough question to answer, but I will try to run it through. You see, our leader is on a whole different level than us peons here. We were only on the team for two days and two nights, but them... they've lived this for much much longer than that. There mightve been MINUTES between myself becoming a doctor and our leader blessing us with their wisdom and bring us to their fold.

Therefor I do not know. I cannot fathom what goes in their mind as a feeble individual myself, but I have faith. I have unyielding faith in them pulling through with red blood in their wake.
 
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I have finally got to read the whole thread, and digest some of my thoughts.

I took the opposite approach than you Raine, I gave every piece of information from the wolf chat to my snuggle buddy Jawneh and our boss. Even the code we developed on Day 2 after your death in case we needed to change votes under the second shadow. I felt like I did everything I could and then overnight between Day 1 and 2 the other wolves deduced my true role and we agreed a form of truce. I really want to see the night 1 vote but I assume it was tied with our 8 votes (6 from wolves plus 2x instigated) and then Ants plus townies.

We definitely stood a chance this game but with the luck of Ants picking right for the votes steal, Kelly picking right when coupled with Vash's read then we were fucked. Additionally when the core group of this town get on a roll it is very hard to change their mind as I stated less eloquently in the game thread. I lied my whole way through and I assume they actually were convinced by my doctor claim which was slightly spur of the moment when Benzine said they hadn't played smart, I used that to my advantage as I felt they would believe I was silly enough not to protect the right person.

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TD said:
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Welcome to the land of the dead Team Jawbby!

How does it feel?
WE HAVE COOKIES. WE HAVE COMMENTARY. WE HAVE SHIT POSTING!

It's gonna be a good time in here - we promise!

Do you think your boss will pull it off and avenge you!?
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I have faith in the boss, they will go down fighting
 
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Tubby23 said:
@Raine I apologise I couldn't defend you better Day 1, by the time I logged back in it was already too far gone I felt and I had to go to self-preservation. I was so hopeful the vote could still happen and then you would beserk for Night 3
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Nah, it's all good! If I could have used wolf chat, I would have immediately told y'all to scatter to the winds.

It was a whirlwind of emotions - I had hope for brief periods! - but I knew it was almost certainly a lost cause. Still had to try!

That rock was insult to injury and there will be a reckoning. :cautious:
 
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