Zell Wolf Discussion Thread Game 5

[VashTheStampede]

So vash blamed me for the "don't betray us or he'll be killed" thing even though I feel like TD said it first?

SERIOUSLY?

I am going to have words with that woman because that is NOT how I remember it presented to me.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If modern media has taught me anything, this is how Masshole's speak. I believe we are seeing them in their natural habitat.

Fwiw, if my wife was playing I'd be calling her a lying bitch to stir her up regardless of the state of the game.

Everyone is different.

 

[Zell 17]

She's here! Hi @Christina and @Tommy Boy

 

[A Maybe Baker]

SERIOUSLY?

I am going to have words with that woman because that is NOT how I remember it presented to me.

I mean I definitely said it too. But I wasn't the only mean person. Just wanted to emphasize we meant business until we all died.

 

[Benzine]

Everyone is different.

what

 

[canadaguy]

 

[VashTheStampede]

I mean I definitely said it too. But I wasn't the only mean person. Just wanted to emphasize we meant business until we all died.

And also I wasn't really that intense about it, just playing the role

 

[VashTheStampede]

Lady you got some 'splainin' to do

 

[canadaguy]

Next time just let me press the nuke button ok

 

[A Maybe Baker]

And also I wasn't really that intense about it, just playing the role

I figured as much. Just interesting to see how far back you were public about it.

Also I definitely would have targeted you and not touched a hair on her wolfy body.

 

[TD]

SERIOUSLY?

I am going to have words with that woman because that is NOT how I remember it presented to me.

It was me.

It was also me after I asked about cupid 3x, everyone was clear, then we cold read you as Medium and said you were going to die - then she came clean.

Then I said it because I already knew she couldn't be trusted.

In fact I was ready to give up after finding out she outed us all to you and lost my desire to play. I didn't want to quit on Alu and kut.

I knew it was an impossible wolf win.

 

[Mark]

Y’all gonna get a badge for most additions/removals in a day by the end of this game.

 

[Zell 17]

It was me.

It was also me after I asked about cupid 3x, everyone was clear, then we cold read you as Medium and said you were going to die - then she came clean.

Then I said it because I already knew she couldn't be trusted.

In fact I was ready to give up after finding out she outed us all to you and lost my desire to play. I didn't want to quit on Alu and kut.

I knew it was an impossible wolf win.

Probably should have just killed Vash right there and then. I agree you were DoA once the team was sold.

 

[canadaguy]

Y’all gonna get a badge for most additions/removals in a day by the end of this game.

 

[TD]

Probably should have just killed Vash right there and then. I agree you were DoA once the team was sold.

That's what my gut said - but the game is already insanely stacked for the town so we needed every body we had.

 

[VashTheStampede]

That's what my gut said - but the game is already insanely stacked for the town so we needed every body we had.

And they still needed a wolf to sit them down and explain how to win

 

[A Maybe Baker]

My very first post about vash after Christina spilled the beans was "well vash is loosely aligned with us for the time being" followed shortly by "very loosely"

TD said we'd need to kill you (and Christina) and I agreed. Guess I'm more memorable

 

[Zell 17]

At this point we gotta make some kind of meme about the RK not killing villagers right? I don't blame Kelly at all, I thought he had a great plan and ran into a brick wall of info. HOWEVER, I do think he should have killed night 1. Not because the odds favor him hitting a townie, but since the kill role is masked it almost doesn't even matter if he DOES hit a wolf. The confusion is a benefit.

 

[Tommy Boy]

@Tommy Boy ur doin it wrong (sorta)

I wasn't sure what the heck to do anymore towards the end. I was shaking from anxiety at one point and had to keep telling myself it's just a game lol. Sorry whoever I let down!

 

[Benzine]

You gotta kill. The town always starts slow, they catch up.

Murder murder murder, kill kill kill.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Maybe we eliminate the Cupid role? I think the "fun" part of the role left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I wasn't sure what the heck to do anymore towards the end. I was shaking from anxiety at one point and had to keep telling myself it's just a game lol. Sorry whoever I let down!

You 100% did the right thing

 

[Benzine]

Dr J and Hyde is a fun one!

 

[Zell 17]

You gotta kill. The town always starts slow, they catch up.

Murder murder murder, kill kill kill.

Also prioritize killing bullets over killing info. If you kill the bullets, it doesn't matter if the town figures out who you are.

If during night 3 the town had an aura seer left instead of a witch, they lose.

 

[Tommy Boy]

You 100% did the right thing

When you told me I had a good heart and that's why you chose me, I was palpitating

 

[VashTheStampede]

When you told me I had a good heart and that's why you chose me, I was palpitating

You proved it. You stuck with your team

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ugh I guess I'm a permanent resident here now

 

[Benzine]

Also prioritize killing bullets over killing info. If you kill the bullets, it doesn't matter if the town figures out who you are.

If during night 3 the town had an aura seer left instead of a witch, they lose.

Exactly. The two witches was fun. Fuck you @Local Hero

I want to kiiiiiiiiiill. I hunger for blooooooood.

 

[Zell 17]

Maybe we eliminate the Cupid role? I think the "fun" part of the role left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

But how could I deprive Coleman of all the fun he had helping you guys along?

Imagine how this game changes if he just claims tough guy or something (his aura was proven good by aura seer) and says he protected christina from a wolf attack or whatever.

 

[TD]

Maybe we eliminate the Cupid role? I think the "fun" part of the role left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Not a bad idea but to be honest there's some pretty severe balancing issues in this game overall. Zell is an amazing GM though and I love that he added stories.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Imagine how this game changes if he just claims tough guy or something (his aura was proven good by aura seer) and says he protected christina from a wolf attack or whatever.

 

[Benzine]

Are you telling me Cole actually gave up and that wasn't the angle for the cupid win? Please don't tell me Cole actually gave up and that wasn't the angle for the cupid win.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I still would have done Vash for the lolz

Oh god that would have been incredible

 

[VashTheStampede]

Are you telling me Cole actually gave up and that wasn't the angle for the cupid win? Please don't tell me Cole actually gave up and that wasn't the angle for the cupid win.

And yet, he still wins

 

[Zell 17]

Not a bad idea but to be honest there's some pretty severe balancing issues in this game overall. Zell is an amazing GM though and I love that he added stories.

It's not supposed to be 50% village wins 50% others win. The village really only made one mistake (Local killing the doctor). It would be a shitty game if one player making one bad decision made the entire town lose. There needs to be more than one error by one person for the town to lose otherwise everyone will REALLY hate each other.

The first two games were wipeouts. Then the evils kind of figured out how to play the first day or so. The last three games have all really been on a knife's edge. And again...we haven't had a single game yet where the RK makes a dent in the village. No wonder they feel lopsided.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I've always felt that wolf where everyone has a role is intended to be a challenge for the wolves.

That's why I tried to balance my mafia in the other direction to have a different feel, but aside from a maniac with a gun, it's not there yet.

 

[Benzine]

I think your game is bloody brilliant and as you know Zell, and have stolen it for myself.

 

[TD]

Yeah it's 100% villager wins, right?

It's not about figuring out how to win, it's about dealing with insane town power roles.

I mean shit - I had my role shared because Ants committed suicide visiting Christina.

 

[Benzine]

We've had some close calls though. Our group almost very nearly had the wolves win...

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yeah it's 100% villager wins, right?

It's not about figuring out how to win, it's about dealing with insane town power roles.

I mean shit - I had my role shared because Ants committed suicide visiting Christina.

I had a similar thing happen to me in FQ's wolf. My role got shared because of an extra kill from a teammate. Feels unearned.

 

[Mark]

Maybe we eliminate the Cupid role? I think the "fun" part of the role left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

 

[TD]

I had a similar thing happen to me in FQ's wolf. My role got shared because of an extra kill from a teammate. Feels unearned.

Honestly every game I have played has been a mess one way or another. That one you're quoting I should've been dead day 2. I only lived because FQ randomly extended the phase.

It's why I'm done with them, I figured I'd give it one more try after the PM shit in your game and now there's nothing but a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Zell 17]

Yeah it's 100% villager wins, right?

It's not about figuring out how to win, it's about dealing with insane town power roles.

I mean shit - I had my role shared because Ants committed suicide visiting Christina.

One of those was gifted (2 townies + wolf and RK left and the RK kills the wolf....) but yes.

But then again, out of 5 games the wolves had yet to fake any info at all. So whenever info like that is presented everyone just believes it. Smacktard gave fake info and even YOU guys believed he was real, and in fact he was the very last role you figured out.

 

[canadaguy]

One of those was gifted (2 townies + wolf and RK left and the RK kills the wolf....) but yes.

But then again, out of 5 games the wolves had yet to fake any info at all. So whenever info like that is presented everyone just believes it. Smacktard gave fake info and even YOU guys believed he was real, and in fact he was the very last role you figured out.

Ans without Christina shortkutting the entire wolf roster to vash, who knows what happens

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Maybe we eliminate the Cupid role? I think the "fun" part of the role left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

I watch a group of players who play Among Us. There is a married couple in that play on occasion and the lovers role is always in play. There never seemed to be an issue. I've seen players totally lie to their "lovers", I've seen impostors who are in love lie to their imposter teammates.

The backstabbing is part of the game. Once the game is over, you shit on each other and then move on to the next game because that is what the game is supposed to be. You shit on them for whining about roles, you shit on them for sucking at their roles, you shit on them for shitting on others. Then thet shit on you for doing the same. It's part of the fun.

Play your win condition, always.

 

[Benzine]

One of those was gifted (2 townies + wolf and RK left and the RK kills the wolf....) but yes.

But then again, out of 5 games the wolves had yet to fake any info at all. So whenever info like that is presented everyone just believes it. Smacktard gave fake info and even YOU guys believed he was real, and in fact he was the very last role you figured out.

What about wolves who gave real factual info, but got it via different means? Haha.

 

[TD]

Smacktard gave fake info and even YOU guys believed he was real, and in fact he was the very last role you figured out.

What're you talking about? If you're talking Corrupter specific then sure. The last role we figured out was Jawneh in Day 3 and that was because he just confessed, we knew everyone else before that.

 

[TD]

Play your win condition, always.

The thing about the cupid'd roles is they have two win conditions. Things get murky.

I mean shit - shortkut felt so bad for the stress that Christina was going through that he was trying to make the case that the Cupid'd couple should be able to win at the same time as the wolves if one is a wolf but Zell was like no that's not the win condition for them.
( not sure if you knew this @VashTheStampede )

It's literally forcing this role to pick a win condition.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Annoyed that he blocked the information I died for, and that he outright said he wanted to help the wolves win. Hard not to feel resentful of those two things.

I know I said I’d go along with his plan to go after Kelly first, but I thought he just wanted help killing another more active and experienced wolf and would save Christina for later, hadn’t yet realized that he was coupled with her by cupid and intended to throw his townie team under the bus.

I get it, she’s his wife and it’s her first game, but I still can’t help grumbling a little.

For the record, I was never going to actually hand them the win. The intent was always to help them get close and swoop a win at the last second. Partly because Zell said that the townie should work with the wolves in this exact situation.

But no actual harm was done.

 

[VashTheStampede]

The thing about the cupid'd roles is they have two win conditions. Things get murky.

I mean shit - shortkut felt so bad for the stress that Christina was going through that he was trying to make the case that the Cupid'd couple should be able to win at the same time as the wolves if one is a wolf but Zell was like no that's not the win condition for them.
( not sure if you knew this @VashTheStampede )

It's literally forcing this role to pick a win condition.

Yeah honestly the Lovers should ONLY get a win if they survive together.

But that's so ridiculously daunting that it wouldn't be as fun to play.

Like having all your wolf team blabbed to a townie.