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Still require the attendants over there?
I think there are some states that actually do require an attendant to pump your gas for you still. Off the top of my head I want to say New Jersey is one of them.

But not here in NY, no.

Most pumps have a button where you can set desired quantity (either money or litres). So if I wanted £30 you just select that and fire and forget. That said, $20 would buy you a dribble over here.
Not something we have over here. Stations are only just starting to upgrade pumps to read chip cards instead of mag swipe, we're probably 20+ years away from anyone upgrading pumps to have preset limits.

(Part of my job is stopping fuel fraud, and I resent how dumb stations are. Check your pumps for skimmers, you fucks!)
 

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Not something we have over here. Stations are only just starting to upgrade pumps to read chip cards instead of mag swipe, we're probably 20+ years away from anyone upgrading pumps to have preset limits.

(Part of my job is stopping fuel fraud, and I resent how dumb stations are. Check your pumps for skimmers, you fucks!)

I legit can't even remember the last time I ever swiped the mag stripe on any of my cards. Hell I only use chip for large transactions that won't take tap.
 

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Looked it up.

Self-service is illegal in the entire state of New Jersey.

The rural counties in Oregon (over 40,000 residents): Baker, Clatsop, Crook, Curry, Gilliam, Grant, Harney, Hood River, Jefferson, Klamath, Lake, Malheur, Morrow, Sherman, Tillamook, Umatilla, Union, Wallowa, Wasco, and Wheeler.

The towns of Huntington, New York and Weymouth, Massachusetts.

I have never swiped a card in my life.
The US is fucking stupidly behind on that stuff. They only recently adopted chip cards, I believe only within the last decade.

I had a chip card for my Barclay's account before I left England like 20 years ago.
 
Stations are only just starting to upgrade pumps to read chip cards instead of mag swipe, we're probably 20+ years away from anyone upgrading pumps to have preset limits.

I'd say I can't believe that but I've been through upstate NY and I totally understand.

Funny story about tap/chip. I went to Toronto in 2019 visiting Syth and everywhere we went I paid with chip because I had no idea how tap worked. He made fun of me for not using tap until I told him I don't know how to use tap. He took my card, and just held it above the pay station.

I was only 34 and felt like an old man instantly.

I have only used tap since then unless its not available... which is basically ONLY AT GAS STATIONS.
 

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It's super gay to use the tap instead of a mag swipe.

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I remember about 8 years ago when a tech-loving family friend paid for something with his Apple Watch to general amazement.

Also there's China where more than 90% of transactions are done with a QR code.
Yeah I actually mostly use my phone tap. My watch does too but its always this awkward positioning to use it on the machine
 

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Looks like the US only started adopting EMV post 2011. It wasn't until 2015 that Mastercard/Visa shifted liability to where merchants (excluding gas stations) started adopting it, and it was October 2020 when they shifted liability for gas stations too.

Basically if a merchant doesn't accept EMV, and a chip card is used fraudulently at their terminal, the merchant is liable. If the card is mag-stripe only and the merchant can accept chip, the card issuing bank is liable. If the card has chip and the merchant accepts chip, the issuer is still generally liable.

Ultimately it's going to depend on the station brand, with most big stations having updated all their pumps to avoid liability for fraud losses. Smaller stations, like mom'n'pop stores, probably don't even update the pump software regularly, let alone the hardware.

If you must use mag-stripe at a pump, you'd better be wiggling the fuck out of that slot before you put anything in it. Otherwise you're just asking to get skimmed, where someone is just sitting in the parking lot pulling data off their device over Bluetooth, then counterfeiting your mag-stripe onto a gift card to use.
 

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I'd say I can't believe that but I've been through upstate NY and I totally understand.

Funny story about tap/chip. I went to Toronto in 2019 visiting Syth and everywhere we went I paid with chip because I had no idea how tap worked. He made fun of me for not using tap until I told him I don't know how to use tap. He took my card, and just held it above the pay station.

I was only 34 and felt like an old man instantly.

I have only used tap since then unless it’s not available... which is basically ONLY AT GAS STATIONS.
If its the same Syth im familiar with, tell Adam to join and post sparingly
 

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I've driven through Jersey a few times and had to fill up there.

They can kiss my ass if they think they're getting a tip for doing something I can do in every other state for free. Especially when one started to put regular fuel in my car that required premium. I get that I'm supposed to remind them, but when you've pumped gas on your own for your entire life, it becomes second nature to pick the gas that your car requires.

The only plausible argument for keeping Full Serve stations in the modern day is that handicapped people won't have to get out to pump gas. And from my POV, people so handicapped that they can't get out of the vehicle to pump their own gas driving around kinda scares me. Driving requires solid reaction time and being able to quickly hit the brakes if needbe. If you are so handicapped that you can't physically get out of your car and take 5 steps to the gas pump, I have my doubts that you'll be able to stop a car quickly when the moment requires it.

Hell, even if you've only broken your ankle or a foot bone on your right foot, which makes any time you put any kind of pressure on that foot painful or dangerous to your health, you still should not be driving. Get someone else to drive for you. Don't endanger the rest of us because you prefer your independence.
 

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I've driven through Jersey a few times and had to fill up there.

They can kiss my ass if they think they're getting a tip for doing something I can do in every other state for free. Especially when one started to put regular fuel in my car that required premium. I get that I'm supposed to remind them, but when you've pumped gas on your own for your entire life, it becomes second nature to pick the gas that your car requires.

The only plausible argument for keeping Full Serve stations in the modern day is that handicapped people won't have to get out to pump gas. And from my POV, people so handicapped that they can't get out of the vehicle to pump their own gas driving around kinda scares me. Driving requires solid reaction time and being able to quickly hit the brakes if needbe. If you are so handicapped that you can't physically get out of your car and take 5 steps to the gas pump, I have my doubts that you'll be able to stop a car quickly when the moment requires it.

Hell, even if you've only broken your ankle or a foot bone on your right foot, which makes any time you put any kind of pressure on that foot painful or dangerous to your health, you still should not be driving. Get someone else to drive for you. Don't endanger the rest of us because you prefer your independence.
You’ve obviously never seen a car modified for a handicapped individual
 

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The only plausible argument for keeping Full Serve stations in the modern day is that handicapped people won't have to get out to pump gas. And from my POV, people so handicapped that they can't get out of the vehicle to pump their own gas driving around kinda scares me. Driving requires solid reaction time and being able to quickly hit the brakes if needbe. If you are so handicapped that you can't physically get out of your car and take 5 steps to the gas pump, I have my doubts that you'll be able to stop a car quickly when the moment requires it.

Hell, even if you've only broken your ankle or a foot bone on your right foot, which makes any time you put any kind of pressure on that foot painful or dangerous to your health, you still should not be driving. Get someone else to drive for you. Don't endanger the rest of us because you prefer your independence.
Pretty shitty opinion regarding people with disabilities.

They make car modifications that are fully controlled via levers and shit on the steering wheel, if someone doesn't have functional legs, you know. It's not like someone in a wheelchair is trying to operate pedals.
 

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Most pumps have a button where you can set desired quantity (either money or litres). So if I wanted £30 you just select that and fire and forget. That said, $20 would buy you a dribble over here.
Yeah they do, but I just wanted my tank filled, so I didn't ever give an amount. The guy filling it would have no way to know what the closest round amount is, since tanks vary how much they can hold. Hell he may have put a limit and my car just didn't hit it because it only needs like 8 gallons added to be full typically.

There was no reason the amount needed to be round. I was paying with a card, not cash. He was just weird and compulsive about it. Luckily they eventually made topping off illegal (because the pump stopped because your tank is full!!) so people quit that nonsense.

Looked it up.

Self-service is illegal in the entire state of New Jersey.

The rural counties in Oregon (over 40,000 residents): Baker, Clatsop, Crook, Curry, Gilliam, Grant, Harney, Hood River, Jefferson, Klamath, Lake, Malheur, Morrow, Sherman, Tillamook, Umatilla, Union, Wallowa, Wasco, and Wheeler.

The towns of Huntington, New York and Weymouth, Massachusetts.
All stations in Oregon are required to have an attendant except some rural counties, because that requirement was resulting in no stations being open a lot of times. Otherwise stations can be 50/50 full service or self service and you choose which one you want.

The only plausible argument for keeping Full Serve stations in the modern day is that handicapped people won't have to get out to pump gas. And from my POV, people so handicapped that they can't get out of the vehicle to pump their own gas driving around kinda scares me. Driving requires solid reaction time and being able to quickly hit the brakes if needbe. If you are so handicapped that you can't physically get out of your car and take 5 steps to the gas pump, I have my doubts that you'll be able to stop a car quickly when the moment requires it.
As mentioned, being able to walk and being able to control a car are two totally different things. And if you have an automatic, you could have one perfectly working leg and drive a regular car fine but still struggle to walk, you know.

The main reason for it is to increase jobs though, I think. That's kinda silly to me personally, but I love not having to get out in the rainy cold to pump gas, so I appreciate it. Safety was also used as a justification in the past: it prevents people from smoking while pumping, spilling gas everywhere, putting it in containers that they shouldn't, etc. However now you can pump it yourself if you want, so that justification is kinda out (although there's generally an attendant around so they might notice, at least). I feel like they would also be more likely to notice a card skimmer added, since they use the pumps so much.

You don't have to use an attendant if you don't want to. They never expect tips, that's not a thing. It's purely optional, and the only possible downside is waiting a couple of minutes if the attendant is busy.

Pumping gas myself is fine, but it's nice not to have to.

I was only 34 and felt like an old man instantly.

I have only used tap since then unless its not available... which is basically ONLY AT GAS STATIONS.
I love using my phone to tap. It's so much easier to dig out than a credit card, and it hides my real card number, so no risk of fraud.
 

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You don't have to use an attendant if you don't want to. They never expect tips, that's not a thing. It's purely optional, and the only possible downside is waiting a couple of minutes if the attendant is busy.
That's good, I'm glad it's not like an obligation or a forced tip situation. An option to use if you want to. Makes sense.
 
I just got tap down, I'm not using my phone wallet yet. Give me another 10 years to get adjusted to that :D
I got thrown into the fire a few years ago when I went to London and Paris and literally everything was tap to pay with your phone, which I had never done up to that point.

Now if you'll excuse me, I believe there is a cloud that needs yelling at.
 

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Guys, this is a thread about not being gay and we've just had a whole conversation about people to help you with sticking a nozzle into a hole and pumping as if that's just entirely normal. I'm going to need you all to pick up your game here. The wellbeing of future generations is at stake.
Yeah but we confirmed they don't even get the tip.
 
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