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Greetings friends,

The roles have been sent out. First, here is a list of players:

@Cole
@Tubby23
@Fire Queen
@shortkut
@Tommy Boy
@Ants!
@Dean
@Ryan!
@Killface!
@Jawneh
@VashTheStampede
@Holly
@Fool's Requiem
@Benzine
@Analbumcover
@Kat

And here are the roles (and the aura they show when checked by the Aura seer):

Village team:
Gunner:
Can shoot and kill any player once per day. Two shots max. Aura: Unknown.
Medium: Can speak with the dead. Can revive any dead player. One time use. Aura: Unknown
Witch: Has two potions. One can kill any player at night. One can protect any player at night. Consumed on use. Aura: Unknown
Aura seer: Can see if a player is village team, evil team, or unknown. “Strong villagers” show as unknown, as well as solo players. Aura: Good
Detective: Can check if two players are from the same team. They are only told if the players belong to the same team or not. Aura: Good
Doctor: Can protect any player from death at night. Cannot protect themselves. Unlimited use. Aura: Good
Priest: Can splash a player with holy water during the day. If the player is a wolf, they die. If the player is not a wolf, the priest dies. Aura: Good

Three villagers will get random roles from the following list. This is a true random selection with replacement, the game could have four aura seers or four doctors or whatever:
Aura seer - Can see if a player is village team, evil team, or unknown. “Strong villagers” show as unknown, as well as solo players. Aura: Good
Spirit seer - Can check up to two players to see if they killed someone at night. Green results means none of the players selected killed anyone. Red results means at least one player selected killed someone. Aura: Good
Flower Child - Can prevent a player from being lynched. One use. Aura: Good
Tough Guy - Can save a player at night. Automatically protects themselves. If attacked, they will be told who attacked them. Will die at the end of the day. Aura: Good.
Bodyguard - Can save a player at night. Automatically protects themselves. Needs to be attacked twice to die. Aura: Good
Beast Hunter - At night, can place a beast trap on a player. The subsequent night, the trap activates. If a werewolf attacks that player, they will be killed instead of the target. Aura: Unknown.
Witch - Has two potions. One can kill any player at night. One can protect any player at night. Consumed on use. Aura: Unknown
Marksman - Has two arrows. At night, can place a target on a player. The subsequent night, they can shoot them. If the target is a villager, the marksman will die instead.
Avenger - Can select a player to kill when they die. Aura: Good
Loudmouth - Can select a player to reveal their role when they die. Aura: Good.
Red Lady - Can visit a player at night. if the player is evil, they die. Cannot be attacked directly and killed at night if they are visiting. If they visit a player who is killed, they also die. Aura: Good.
Priest - Can splash a player with holy water during the day. If the player is a wolf, they die. If the player is not a wolf, the priest dies. Aura: Good
Sheriff - Can watch a player at night. If they die, they will be given two possible suspects for the person responsible for that player's death. Aura: Good.
Doctor - Can protect any player from death at night. Cannot protect themselves. Unlimited use. Aura: Good

Wolf team:
Wolf Avenger
: Will take another player with them to the grave when they die. Aura: Evil
Berserk werewolf: Once per game, can select any villager for a guaranteed night kill. Anyone attempting to protect that player will also die. Aura: Evil
Wolf seer: Once per night can select a player and see their exact role. Aura: Evil
Shaman wolf: Can select a player to enchant for the current/following night. They will show as the wolf shaman to all seer roles. This ability has unlimited uses, but cannot be used if the shaman wolf is the only wolf alive. Aura: Evil

Solo team:
Fool: Wins the game if they get lynched during the day. Loses in all other scenarios. Aura: Unknown

Solo team:
Serial killer. Can kill one player at night. Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. Can choose not to kill at night and stack kills for later use. Wins by being the last player alive. Aura: Unknown


Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 36 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted. Nights will run from 9 am ET to 9 pm ET, with the exception of the night starting right now that will last from now until 9 pm ET on Saturday.

Do not edit your posts. I'll deal with edited posts as they come but will probably end in a suicide.

You have unlimited vote changes. This includes voting nobody. The day expiration time of 9 am will be strictly enforced. If your post / vote is at 9 am or later, it will be discarded. People can have a flurry of late vote changes to lynch someone, but of course the consequences of doing that will be noticed by the village. Only your last vote will be counted. Votes must be in Bold to be counted.

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Timing may impact some events. For example, let's say the witch PMs me to kill the medium at night ten minutes before the medium PMs me who they want to revive. Too bad medium, you are dead, and your powers along with it. Similar for protection. If the doctor is protecting the Aura seer, the wolves could kill the doctor followed by the serial killer killing the Aura all in one night.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The medium has access to this forum already. If you are revived by the medium, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the serial killer

Wolves: Kill the serial killer. Once the village has twice as many total people as there are wolves, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Fool: Get lynched

Serial killer: Be the last player remaining with all other players dead.

The night starts now. I will send PM reminders to those roles with potential night actions. Day starts 9 pm ET Saturday.
 
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Despite the worst worries of our town full of magical residents, no villagers have been killed. The wolves have gone vegan. If any protectors were successful, they will have been notified.

Despite this welcome news, the townspeople are suspicious and will take any reason to murder each other with reckless abandon. Day 1 starts now. 7 votes are required to lynch a villager. Today will end at 9 am ET on Monday morning.


@Cole
@Tubby23
@Fire Queen
@shortkut
@Tommy Boy
@Ants!
@Dean
@Ryan!
@Killface!
@Jawneh
@VashTheStampede
@Holly
@Fool's Requiem
@Benzine
@Analbumcover
@Kat
 

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It makes zero sense to vote for anyone right now, but shortkut trying to out people is suspect behavior.
I said I would do this in the signup thread. The only one being suspicious is you pretending my vote is suspicious. I also did this last game, and the wolves pulled this strategy last time.

The other alternative is we keep voting abstain until the wolves make a kill.

I stated I would vote for ants!, but I never said I wouldn’t change my vote. Changing vote to @Ryan! for being a dumdum
 

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I said I would do this in the signup thread. The only one being suspicious is you pretending my vote is suspicious. I also did this last game, and the wolves pulled this strategy last time.

The other alternative is we keep voting abstain until the wolves make a kill.

I stated I would vote for ants!, but I never said I wouldn’t change my vote. Changing vote to @Ryan! for being a dumdum
it IS still fucking suspicious.

and it IS still moronic to randomly vote day 1.

what I am not going to do is repeat the same exact argument from game 1.

what I am also not this time, is a wolf. shortkut still playing games with the town's chances, he's the reason y'all lost last game.

I don't even care if he's innocent at this point.

I vote shortkut it is my final answer and I won't be changing it.

if he survives the day, ill use my witchly powers to kill him tonight. 🤷
 
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I said I would do this in the signup thread. The only one being suspicious is you pretending my vote is suspicious. I also did this last game, and the wolves pulled this strategy last time.

The other alternative is we keep voting abstain until the wolves make a kill.
Yeah I'm not suspicious about you yet even with you already voting. We really only have two options: Hope people with powers made a save last night and can persuade us to listen, or we kill off someone random off of a hunch. I am not sold on anybody at all, but I do understand we have to start somewhere.
 
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Keep in mind The Fool makes random lynchings even more risky this time. Kill off another townie? Ouch, for sure, but the game continues and we can recover. Lynch the fool? Game is over for townies and wolves alike :sad
Is there guaranteed to be one of every role though, or is it possible the fool wasn't one of the roles distributed?

edit: OK I re-read it and realize that there are three randomly picked TOWNIE roles, meaning that the fool and the serial killer are definitely in this game. Fuck.
 

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I said I would do this in the signup thread. The only one being suspicious is you pretending my vote is suspicious. I also did this last game, and the wolves pulled this strategy last time.

The other alternative is we keep voting abstain until the wolves make a kill.

I stated I would vote for ants!, but I never said I wouldn’t change my vote. Changing vote to @Ryan! for being a dumdum
I didn't say voting was suspicious. I'm well aware of what you did Day One for the memes. What is suspicious is trying to get role players to slip and reveal themselves.

Don't agree with a vote first day, but @shortkut seems the obvious choice right now.
 
Yeah there’s one of every role, plus three extras randomly chosen from a shorter list of existing roles. Should only be one fool though. So the odds of GAME OVER currently stand at 1/16 and will only grow as the game continues.

And at the risk of sounding like I’m defending shortkut (who I voted for), I’m starting to worry at how quickly he got everyone to pounce on him. What if that’s what he wants?

That one role alone makes lynching a total mindfuck. Lol
 

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Keep in mind The Fool makes random lynchings even more risky this time. Kill off another townie? Ouch, for sure, but the game continues and we can recover. Lynch the fool? Game is over for townies and wolves alike :sad
okay, maybe I'm mistaken and @Zell 17 can clarify, but my interpretation of the Fools win condition was it was independent of him. like *he himself* can only win if he gets lynched, not that "everyone else loses and the game ends".

I could be very wrong, I've never seen a role like that, but that was how I imagined it was being done.

but if the game ends with a Fool lynching, then yes, it's even more ridiculous to random vote.
 

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if he survives the day, ill use my witchly powers to kill him tonight. 🤷
ok so Cole is claiming witch here, which is interesting

On the one hand it's claiming he has value to the village to avoid being lynched. But it's also making him a target for wolves.

But he's Cole, if he's not a wolf he's already a target for the wolves just by being Cole

If he's NOT the witch, then he's risking the fact that there really is one and they would immediately know he's lying. That's a big risk, especially on day 1.

This is wild, I'm not used to games with roles.
 

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Yeah there’s one of every role, plus three extras randomly chosen from a shorter list of existing roles. Should only be one fool though. So the odds of GAME OVER currently stand at 1/16 and will only grow as the game continues.

And at the risk of sounding like I’m defending shortkut (who I voted for), I’m starting to worry at how quickly he got everyone to pounce on him. What if that’s what he wants?

That one role alone makes lynching a total mindfuck. Lol
Hadn't thought about that whatsoever, but that's a really good point. Could be exactly what the Fool wants. Shortkut is still at the top of my suspicion list as either a Wolf or the Fool.
 

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ok so Cole is claiming witch here, which is interesting

On the one hand it's claiming he has value to the village to avoid being lynched. But it's also making him a target for wolves.

But he's Cole, if he's not a wolf he's already a target for the wolves just by being Cole

If he's NOT the witch, then he's risking the fact that there really is one and they would immediately know he's lying. That's a big risk, especially on day 1.

This is wild, I'm not used to games with roles.
see Vash? you're not bad at this game at all. :)
 

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okay, maybe I'm mistaken and @Zell 17 can clarify, but my interpretation of the Fools win condition was it was independent of him. like *he himself* can only win if he gets lynched, not that "everyone else loses and the game ends".

I could be very wrong, I've never seen a role like that, but that was how I imagined it was being done.

but if the game ends with a Fool lynching, then yes, it's even more ridiculous to random vote.
Yeah I would like confirmation on this, because the way Cole sees it is my interpretation as well.
 

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If this is the case, I'm definitely leaning away from voting for shortkut.
Same. If the game instantly ends with the Fool being votes, it makes perfect sense to abstain from voting right now. The Wolves would require the Fool dying that way, so we simply wait for the night phase. If shortkut is killed, he's obviously not a Wolf and was likely the Fool. If he isn't killed, then he's either the Serial Killer or a Wolf, and it's safe to vote for him next day phase. So that is my official recommendation. I vote Abstain.
 
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okay, maybe I'm mistaken and @Zell 17 can clarify, but my interpretation of the Fools win condition was it was independent of him. like *he himself* can only win if he gets lynched, not that "everyone else loses and the game ends".

I could be very wrong, I've never seen a role like that, but that was how I imagined it was being done.

but if the game ends with a Fool lynching, then yes, it's even more ridiculous to random vote.
If the Fool is lynched, the game is over. The Fool wins. Everyone else loses.
 

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ok so Cole is claiming witch here, which is interesting

On the one hand it's claiming he has value to the village to avoid being lynched. But it's also making him a target for wolves.

But he's Cole, if he's not a wolf he's already a target for the wolves just by being Cole

If he's NOT the witch, then he's risking the fact that there really is one and they would immediately know he's lying. That's a big risk, especially on day 1.

This is wild, I'm not used to games with roles.
I think I'll just play this game 100% honesty, no inflation of my posts or agenda at all.

this post is spot on.

Zell told me in my role DM that I should consider using my powers to confirm to everyone that I am a witch. I immediately said no, but when I made that first post, I had a different plan, and your post is 100% spot on.

In a game against me, theres two ways the wolves can view it. If they're very confident players (which there are a few of), they'll wanna keep me in the game just for sport. Either to try and use it against me later "hows Cole still alive if he's a wolf?!" or that I've made myself suspicious which they can turn to get me lynched late game.

Or they worry that I'll out them early and they're just gonna whack me first chance they get.

me announcing myself gives me value to BOTH GROUPS. I am a part of the village, according to the rules, so my goal is to use my kill abilities on a wolf (or in the case of shortkut, someone that helps protect the town, which guilty or not, shortkut endangers), so announcing it to them wont make them want to kill me. I have the power to protect AND to kill a wolf of my own accord. If they believe me, (which they should, I'm being truthful), they wont lynch me.

(side note at this point: I encourage you to read the first game and see if I ever said "I'm not a wolf" or even referred to myself as a civi. There were a few posts I made where I vaguely said "we" in regard to the town, obviously, but I never said "I'm not a wolf! I'm a civi!" or anything even close to that. Fun fact, I almost never lie in these games, I embellish.)

I am also an asset to the wolves in an abstract sense. If they don't think I'm capable of pulling one of them out of the wood work, when I use my kill, theres a higher chance it lands on a civi than it does I land on a wolf. That's a big plus for them.

As to the last part, yes, that absolutely is a risk. so, BY ALL MEANS, other witch, tell me you're the witch and not me. I am begging someone in this thread to tell me they are the witch and not me. :)
 

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Then yeah, I'm absolutely voting Abstain, final answer. We wait for the Night Phase. If shortkut is killed, he was probably the Fool. If not and he survives the night, he's a Wolf or the Serial Killer and we lynch him tomorrow, no questions asked.
I don't think theres any feasable way you can say "shortkut is probably the fool" right now. he's doing what he always does.
 
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(side note at this point: I encourage you to read the first game and see if I ever said "I'm not a wolf" or even referred to myself as a civi. There were a few posts I made where I vaguely said "we" in regard to the town, obviously, but I never said "I'm not a wolf! I'm a civi!" or anything even close to that. Fun fact, I almost never lie in these games, I embellish.)
I believe Cole is the witch after reading this. If you go back and read, it adds up. But now we're going to need a protector to guard him during the night phase if this is true, because the wolves will certainly get him if we don't.

Still not going to touch shortkut either, I'm not convinced HE'S the fool, but knowing the MF is out there makes me way more apprehensive.
 

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I don't think theres any feasable way you can say "shortkut is probably the fool" right now. he's doing what he always does.
I didn't care a bit about voting for Ants! I saw the last thread, and I appreciate the memes. I picked up on the subtle bit at the end asking if role players had information so they outed themselves, painting targets on their backs. That is what I find suspicious.
 

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I believe Cole is the witch after reading this. If you go back and read, it adds up. But now we're going to need a protector to guard him during the night phase if this is true, because the wolves will certainly get him if we don't.
or maybe they think I'll hit a civi with my *one* kill, I'm not an extra threat to them because of my role. I get ONE kill, full stop, high chance I don't hit them. protection? same thing. I have to line up the protection with the exact person they wish to kill.

if I were a wolf, I'd find it very sporting.

I hereby dare the wolves to keep me alive as long as possible. :)
 

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I believe Cole is the witch after reading this. If you go back and read, it adds up. But now we're going to need a protector to guard him during the night phase if this is true, because the wolves will certainly get him if we don't.

Still not going to touch shortkut either, I'm not convinced HE'S the fool, but knowing the MF is out there makes me way more apprehensive.
oh also, other protectors, don't waste your protection on me. I can protect someone as well as kill, and the role description that was sent to me in no way says I can't protect MYSELF. It's a potion, who says I cant drink it?

just you know, in the interest of complete honesty. I can protect myself just finely, thank ya'll.
 
Same. If the game instantly ends with the Fool being votes, it makes perfect sense to abstain from voting right now. The Wolves would require the Fool dying that way, so we simply wait for the night phase. If shortkut is killed, he's obviously not a Wolf and was likely the Fool. If he isn't killed, then he's either the Serial Killer or a Wolf, and it's safe to vote for him next day phase. So that is my official recommendation. I vote Abstain.
my interpretation is that ONLY the fool wins if lynched, so the wolves will lose too. It sounds like he/she would need to die at night in order for the game to continue after their death.
 
Keeping my vote for @Ryan!

It’s interesting that @Ants! literally voted for me before Ryan jumped on me, but Ryan ignored it. Ryan was also one of the people who liked my post where I said I would lynch ants if it got 10 reactions.
My vote for you wasn’t any more serious than yours for me would have been. If it looked like you were getting close to 7 votes then I would have switched to abstain.

Last game I was undecided on the vote/abstain debate on day one, but the fool is way more than enough for me to choose caution on day 1.
 

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Keeping my vote for @Ryan!

It’s interesting that @Ants! literally voted for me before Ryan jumped on me, but Ryan ignored it. Ryan was also one of the people who liked my post where I said I would lynch ants if it got 10 reactions.
Yeah, I appreciate memes. I figured that was obvious. Once again, it isn't your vote that I found suspicious. I think it's hilarious. It's your little slip at the end you're trying to get everyone to forget about now. Either you're a Wolf or the Fool. And at the end of the next night we'll have our answer.
 

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My vote for you wasn’t any more serious than yours for me would have been. If it looked like you were getting close to 7 votes then I would have switched to abstain.
but this isn't helpful either

so he gets 6 votes, including you, and you switch your vote to abstain. but now you've started a bandwagon and 2 other people switching gets him killed. same is true in reverse for shortcut to you
 

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I honestly feel someone needs to die in order to get real information. If that person is me or someone else it doesn’t change that fact
but your honestly wrong. I gave you guys most of the evidence about who were wolves in that game.

ants and fool BOTH kept saying "shortkut zell and Coleman", i pointed out that fool was posting next to nothing of substance, and that ants came in with an agenda as to what he wanted to do.

fuck, *I* even kept saying that those actions were something I'd do.

"when someone shows you who they are, believe them"

the evidence was there all last game. but no one acted on it.

this game has 764 different roles that can out the enemy. it also has a role that ends the game if lynched.

random day 1 voting is even further made ridiculous.

I stand by my vote on sheer account of whether you're a wolf or not, you're directing the game downhill *again*
 

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Yeah, I appreciate memes. I figured that was obvious. Once again, it isn't your vote that I found suspicious. I think it's hilarious. It's your little slip at the end you're trying to get everyone to forget about now. Either you're a Wolf or the Fool. And at the end of the next night we'll have our answer.
I didn’t ask anyone to blatantly reveal themselves. I wanted people to point towards others with suspicions.

I’ll play like @Cole - I’m the town detective and a shitty one at that. All I know is that Cole and ants! are not on the same team. If Cole is telling the truth, then it means my original vote for ants! Was actually pretty good.

Despite that, I’m petty and voting for @Ryan!
 

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but your honestly wrong. I gave you guys most of the evidence about who were wolves in that game.

ants and fool BOTH kept saying "shortkut zell and Coleman", i pointed out that fool was posting next to nothing of substance, and that ants came in with an agenda as to what he wanted to do.

fuck, *I* even kept saying that those actions were something I'd do.

"when someone shows you who they are, believe them"

the evidence was there all last game. but no one acted on it.

this game has 764 different roles that can out the enemy. it also has a role that ends the game if lynched.

random day 1 voting is even further made ridiculous.

I stand by my vote on sheer account of whether you're a wolf or not, you're directing the game downhill *again*
We knew you were a wolf Cole, and a few people figured out ants as well. Not voting tells us nothing. lynching a townie almost always has at least one wolf on the bandwagon
 

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I didn’t ask anyone to blatantly reveal themselves. I wanted people to point towards others with suspicions.

I’ll play like @Cole - I’m the town detective and a shitty one at that. All I know is that Cole and ants! are not on the same team. If Cole is telling the truth, then it means my original vote for ants! Was actually pretty good.

Despite that, I’m petty and voting for @Ryan!
...uhh what?

how can you confirm we're not on the same team? according to the rules, I read as "unknown", there are several other *townies* that also read as unknown. which means we could both be townie. I'm the witch, he could be gunner and read unknown too. but we're fighting the same cause.

alternatively, ants read "good", can't lynch him, but might lead you to believe I'm lying.

or ants read "evil" and now you're preserving him.

you wanna join my total honesty game? I'm down.

how did we both read? and why would you still vote for Ryan knowing that *YOU PERSINALLY* can detect the wolves? lol

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