Zell Wolf Zell Wolf 15 - Day 5

The day will start momentarily.

Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/

Here's the list of players:

Alu
Benzine
dimmerwit
Fool's Requiem
Jawneh

Kat
Local Hero
rktaker
shortkut
Smacktard
Tommy Boy

VashTheStampede


And here are the roles:

Village team:
3x Random Strong Villager
5x Random Regular Villager

Note: There will be NO MORE than one person who has a "speak with the dead" role. There will also be no more than one person with a "lock players up at night" role. There may be none of either, but there won't be multiple.

Wolf team:
3x Random Wolf

The random werewolf can be any of the numbered wolves (except regular werewolf) listed in the dictionary.

Solo team:
1x Random Killer

Wildcard Role:
Fool/Headhunter/Werewolf Fan/Cupid

If the Werewolf Fan is selected, one random wolf will become the Sorcerer.

Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 24 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted.

You may edit your posts for clarity. If you edit out an action (like shooting someone) and you get caught I'm killing you.

Votes will be conducted via poll. The poll will close exactly at the deadline. You have unlimited changes until that point. If this sucks we'll go back, even if it's mid-game (not mid-day).

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Skips require a skip vote from every player. They'll be posted in the forum as usual. Once you vote to skip, you cannot unskip.

Night events will go in the following priority order regardless of when the PMs are sent to me:

Wolf Nightmare activates
Beast Hunter picks up trap (if moved)
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Warden weapon used
Wolf seer check
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check
Detective check
Aura Seer check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer/Sheriff check
Beast Hunter places trap
Cupid selection

In the event that two of the same role perform the exact same action, they will both be credited.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The ritualist will have access to this forum at night. If you are revived by the ritualist, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

Wildcard Role: Satisfy your winning condition. Your winning condition trumps any other that may occur at the same time. (For example, if you lynch the fool and it creates a situation where there are 3 wolves left and 3 villagers, the Fool wins only).
 
Night 1RoleActionResult
Tommy BoyWolf AvengerNone
JawnehRitualistNone
AluEvil DetectiveCheck Vash and SmacktardDifferent teams, dead
VashTheStampedeJailerNone
Local HeroDoctorProtect VashTheStampede
dimmerwitFarmerNone
rktakerGunnerNone
SmacktardConfusion WolfUse Confusion, kill Local
KatAura SeerCheck Tommy BoyEvil
BenzineWerewolf FanNone
Fool's RequiemAura SeerCheck AluUnknown
Dead BodyBodyguardNone
shortkutSorcererCheck Alu, Reveal to wolvesEvil Detective
WolvesWolvesKill Local HeroLocal Hero dead
Day 1RoleActionResult
Tommy BoyWolf AvengerTag Alu
JawnehRitualistSpell shortkut
VashTheStampedeJailerJail Tommy Boy
rktakerGunner
BenzineWerewolf Fan
Night 2RoleActionResult
Tommy BoyWolf AvengerJailed
JawnehRitualistNone
AluEvil DetectiveCheck Kat and Tommy BoyDifferent teams, dead
VashTheStampedeJailerSend messages
KatAura SeerCheck AluUnknown
BenzineWerewolf FanNone
Fool's RequiemAura SeerCheck KatGood
Dead BodyBodyguardNone
shortkutSorcererCheck dimmerwitFarmer
WolvesWolvesNone
Day 2RoleActionResult
Tommy BoyWolf AvengerTag Alu
JawnehRitualistSpell shortkut
VashTheStampedeJailerJail Jawneh
rktakerGunner
BenzineWerewolf FanReveal to Tommy Boy
Night 3RoleActionResult
JawnehRitualistNone
VashTheStampedeJailerSend message
dimmerwitFarmerNone
rktakerGunnerNone
KatBodyguardProtect Fool's Requiem
BenzineWerewolf FanNone
Fool's RequiemAura SeerCheck shortkutGood
shortkutSorcererCheck VashTheStampedeJailer
WolvesWolvesNone
Day 3RoleActionResult
JawnehRitualistSpell VashTheStampede
VashTheStampedeJailerJail Benzine
rktakerGunner
BenzineWerewolf Fan
Night 4RoleActionResult
JawnehRitualistNone
VashTheStampedeJailerNone
rktakerGunnerNone
KatBodyguardProtect Jawneh
BenzineWerewolf FanJailed
Fool's RequiemAura SeerCheck BenzineGood
shortkutSorcererCheck Fool's RequiemAura Seer
WolvesWolvesNone
Day 4RoleActionResult
JawnehRitualistSpell rktaker
VashTheStampedeJailerJail shortkut
rktakerGunnerShoot Fool's RequiemFool's Requiem dead
BenzineWerewolf Fan
Night 5RoleActionResult
VashTheStampedeJailerKill shortkut
rktakerGunnerNone
KatBodyguardProtect VashTheStampede
BenzineWerewolf FanJailed
shortkutSorcererMessage
WolvesWolvesNone
 
Alright, a few things. First, the dead body. If you look at what happened night 1, Kelly activated Confusion and was the first one killed. Then Local was killed. If I swapped Local with the dead body, then day 1 everyone would know that:

A) Kelly was a wolf
B) Vash was a confirmed villager
C) Local is a confirmed villager
D) Local was a Doctor (defeating the point of confusion)

That was wayyy too much information and the dead body wasn't meant to be used as a vehicle for information, it was just meant to be a way to let people play day 1. I've been thinking about it, and here's how I'm gonna solve it going forward:

1) Evils will get their roles first. All roles will still be assigned to numbers so they can still hunt for the gunner/medium or whatever if they have seers. They can make their corresponding kills or no kills. If the RK and wolves both kill separately we might even have two dead bodies so that people can stick around.

2) If Confusion is used, I can still swap the roles before handing them to the villagers. So nobody will know what the dead roles are

3) If for some reason nobody is killed, all dead bodies will be killed by an act of God night 1.

4) If wolves try to be clever and not kill anyone night 1 so that they can show up Blue and still get a "dead body" kill, too bad, they're red night 1 guaranteed.
 
Second, I fucked up.

I should have forced shortkut to resign after Tommy Boy was killed and didn't realize my mistake until it was too late. If pressed during the game I might have said something like "Well there are two wolf team members alive..." but that's not the intent of the rule, he should have been resigned.

I felt comfortable not interjecting a mea culpa into the game because:

A) shortkut had the disadvantage of no kills for as long as he decided to stay a sorcerer
B) After Tommy tagged Alu there was a 0% chance of the town losing. I know it may have felt differently in game, but with all the bullets left and the number of confirmed people I was confident that it wouldn't have mattered in the end.
 
I literally learned this game that the Fan is a SV. Like day 3.
I told Zell he should update the Dictionary because WWF is listed with the Wolves, not the SVs. I spent the entire game staring at the dictionary trying to figure out what the fuck was going on, why I got 3 clears when I definitely shouldn't have.
 
Second, I fucked up.

I should have forced shortkut to resign after Tommy Boy was killed and didn't realize my mistake until it was too late. If pressed during the game I might have said something like "Well there are two wolf team members alive..." but that's not the intent of the rule, he should have been resigned.

I felt comfortable not interjecting a mea culpa into the game because:

A) shortkut had the disadvantage of no kills for as long as he decided to stay a sorcerer
B) After Tommy tagged Alu there was a 0% chance of the town losing. I know it may have felt differently in game, but with all the bullets left and the number of confirmed people I was confident that it wouldn't have mattered in the end.
No biggie. You did fine
 
I told Zell he should update the Dictionary because WWF is listed with the Wolves, not the SVs. I spent the entire game staring at the dictionary trying to figure out what the fuck was going on, why I got 3 clears when I definitely shouldn't have.
They are on the wolf team, which is why they're listed in the "Wolf team" section.

But they take the place of a Fool/HH/Cupid so they're in the SV category.

Also I think I need to be more clear that if there is a Werewolf Fan, there is a guaranteed Sorcerer. If there is a Sorcerer, there is a guaranteed Werewolf Fan. They come as a pair.
 
Second, I fucked up.

I should have forced shortkut to resign after Tommy Boy was killed and didn't realize my mistake until it was too late. If pressed during the game I might have said something like "Well there are two wolf team members alive..." but that's not the intent of the rule, he should have been resigned.

I felt comfortable not interjecting a mea culpa into the game because:

A) shortkut had the disadvantage of no kills for as long as he decided to stay a sorcerer
B) After Tommy tagged Alu there was a 0% chance of the town losing. I know it may have felt differently in game, but with all the bullets left and the number of confirmed people I was confident that it wouldn't have mattered in the end.
if you force him to be wolf after Tommy is killed, kut comes up Bad for me, right?
 

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Having such a peaceful game was a wild change of pace and made this one more memorable.

Where were you when the wolves were pacifists?
reminds me of when I was watching a DnD campaign and one of the NPCs was a pacifist werewolf to which one of the players constantly replied "That's not a thing"
 
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Second, I fucked up.

I should have forced shortkut to resign after Tommy Boy was killed and didn't realize my mistake until it was too late. If pressed during the game I might have said something like "Well there are two wolf team members alive..." but that's not the intent of the rule, he should have been resigned.

I felt comfortable not interjecting a mea culpa into the game because:

A) shortkut had the disadvantage of no kills for as long as he decided to stay a sorcerer
B) After Tommy tagged Alu there was a 0% chance of the town losing. I know it may have felt differently in game, but with all the bullets left and the number of confirmed people I was confident that it wouldn't have mattered in the end.
Yeah... I did see the sorc debacle. Or thought about it while writing my things. Maybe for the good as it kept me thinking even more crazy things.
 
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Also I think I need to be more clear that if there is a Werewolf Fan, there is a guaranteed Sorcerer. If there is a Sorcerer, there is a guaranteed Werewolf Fan. They come as a pair.
I thought in the past you said you could have sorcerer without fan, but not fan without sorcerer. It didn’t even occur to me until the last day phase that I should be looking for a fan
 
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I also re-rolled this game once. First go around the two new people got both solo roles and I didn't want to do that to them.

Sorry to @dimmerwit for Farmer though.
It's funny, I was just about to write how I was somewhat glad to get the farmer role for my first game.

I've learned a lot of valuable tips, such as shoot first and ask questions later.
 
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