Zell-wannabe Wolf - Day 7

[Local Hero]

We wanted to make good on our alliance and not target you or Quagmire (should have been doused) then realized CG was dangerous.

We should have given different dousing options to begin with, or just immediately betrayed dimmerwit (or let dimmerwit die lmao during the great vote switch of 2024)

 

[Kat]

I believe just killing you would've made it 1:1 for a fraction of a moment and wolves win. I think Zell went over this before at some point.

I think it's instant and would be a tie.

We actually wanted to kill you before Christina. We thought shortkut would still be on dimmer and it would be 3 Town, two wolves, and unconverted but faithful Christina.

We deemed it too much of a risk but it was mighty tempting

Funny thing is he did have dimmerwit targeted that night!

 

[Local Hero]

Would have been instant victory lol

 

[Zell 17]

So I'm guessing Jawneh's checks were dimmerwit and me?

 

[Kat]

So I'm guessing Jawneh's checks were dimmerwit and me?

Quagmire, then dimmerwit, then you.

 

[Jawneh]

So I'm guessing Jawneh's checks were dimmerwit and me?

I did catch your hint too, so I probably didn't have to check you.

But it was also good to give that info to the other wolves. But as you said, your revive was gone, so killing you was a net positive for the town at that point. And I wasn't going to relinquish my good guy sorcerer bit.

 

[Christina]

There was no need to ever convert the wwfan once they knew what the team was. You guys would be a more powerful voting block if you had killed a villager instead.

This is the weird thing about the WWF that I debated. They are a townie and will win with the town. Meta game wise, it would probably be better odds to side with the town for the win. I voted with the wolfs to lynch Jon because 1. It was funny and 2. It felt like the intent of the roll is to try and be a wolf. I like to play these games somewhat like DnD and play my roll.

 

[Local Hero]

I do feel like the WWF is a little bit of a handicap, but when you played it the way you did, it was hard not to consider you as part of the team already, and we wanted to make it official

 

[Quagmire]

I do feel like the WWF ,

I

 

[shortkut]

@Zell 17 idea for BH changes:

If the trap works, they get another trap (unlimited, but only one at a time)

Or

They can move it each night.

Right now they are like a handicapped avenger

 

[Local Hero]

Not every role should be super helpful. I think like been ringer is super specific compared to other roles.

Even so, there's an argument to be made for a tweak

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 idea for BH changes:

If the trap works, they get another trap (unlimited, but only one at a time)

They already get unlimited traps.

BH is super overpowered. It's permanent protection on any member of the village AND kills wolves. People just choose to use it on the only person who will never be attacked (themselves)

 

[Kat]

This is the weird thing about the WWF that I debated. They are a townie and will win with the town. Meta game wise, it would probably be better odds to side with the town for the win. I voted with the wolfs to lynch Jon because 1. It was funny and 2. It felt like the intent of the roll is to try and be a wolf. I like to play these games somewhat like DnD and play my roll.

Your RPing was fantastic. It makes me want to play D&D.

@Zell 17 idea for BH changes:

If the trap works, they get another trap (unlimited, but only one at a time)

Or

They can move it each night.

Right now they are like a handicapped avenger

I think it is unlimited? The role doesn't say it's limited to trapping once. And it's better than avenger because it also protects somebody from an attack, and you cannot accidentally kill a townie with it.

 

[Zell 17]

This is the weird thing about the WWF that I debated. They are a townie and will win with the town. Meta game wise, it would probably be better odds to side with the town for the win. I voted with the wolfs to lynch Jon because 1. It was funny and 2. It felt like the intent of the roll is to try and be a wolf. I like to play these games somewhat like DnD and play my roll.

WWF can't win with the town, only with the wolves. They're essentially an extra wolf, so the team has 5 instead of 4.

 

[Zell 17]

Quagmire, then dimmerwit, then you.

Who were his two reveals and when did he reveal them?

 

[Local Hero]

The tricky thing is predicting a target a night cycle in advance. It's a little paralyzing trying to move it so it ends up just sitting on yourself.

We just need to be better about moving it on the right people and not putting it on yourself night 1 and leaving it.

In other words, get gud

 

[Christina]

WWF can't win with the town, only with the wolves. They're essentially an extra wolf, so the team has 5 instead of 4.

I would say that needs to be specified in the rules because it says they are a normal townie as the first thing, so thus the thought would be they can win with the town if they never get converted.

 

[Kat]

Who were his two reveals and when did he reveal them?

He revealed dimmerwit and you. He revealed them the day after the night he made the reads.

 

[Zell 17]

I would say that needs to be specified in the rules because it says they are a normal townie as the first thing, so thus the thought would be they can win with the town if they never get converted.

They're on the wolf team!

 

[Zell 17]

The tricky thing is predicting a target a night cycle in advance. It's a little paralyzing trying to move it so it ends up just sitting on yourself.

We just need to be better about moving it on the right people and not putting it on yourself night 1 and leaving it.

In other words, get gud

1) Stack rank all villagers based on who you would dead as a wolf
2) Place trap on number 3.
3) Free wolf kills

 

[Local Hero]

Werewolf Fan
Aura: Good
Is a normal townie.

I know it says later they're on the wolf team, but I can see how there's confusion.

Not anymore though, all cleared up

 

[Christina]

They're on the wolf team!

I thought they counted in the wild card spot. Like cupid or the fool. But they acted as a more almost neutral player. A normal townie until they are converted as a wolf and they switch teams. This is why Vash didn't push to kill me right away when he figured me out. I was harmless until I was converted, which is obvious when there is no night kill

 

[Kat]

The tricky thing is predicting a target a night cycle in advance. It's a little paralyzing trying to move it so it ends up just sitting on yourself.

We just need to be better about moving it on the right people and not putting it on yourself night 1 and leaving it.

In other words, get gud

Yeah IMO it's because plans go awry so easily, and we've all been burned by that. I'd probably move it off myself after a couple of days, but it'd be nerve wracking for sure.

 

[Benzine]

Funny thing is he did have dimmerwit targeted that night!

why don't you trust me @Local Hero

@VashTheStampede @shortkut i wanted to convince local to kill shortkut to kill dimmerwit earlier in the game, and I felt that it was my marvel snap/hearthstone skills that made me think it was the right play but i didn't know how to convey that to local hero

 

[VashTheStampede]

With the tagging of the Snap players Benzine said fuck canadaguy in particular

I'm gonna hit on one of these eventually

 

[Benzine]

oh fuck you're right this time and why did i even tag shortkut he doesn't "play" snap

 

[Benzine]

sorry again @canadaguy

 

[canadaguy]

With the tagging of the Snap players Benzine said fuck canadaguy in particular

I'm gonna hit on one of these eventually

He's ducking me cause he's scared

 

[Benzine]

okay i'm goosing you then

can't catch me can't catch me

 

[shortkut]

why don't you trust me @Local Hero

@VashTheStampede @shortkut i wanted to convince local to kill shortkut to kill dimmerwit earlier in the game, and I felt that it was my marvel snap/hearthstone skills that made me think it was the right play but i didn't know how to convey that to local hero

Depending on when you did it, it might not have lead to dimmerwit’s death. There were more changes after the screenshot ends

 

[dimmerwit]

Whilst I'm not sure what the absolute record is I know that Vash once picked someone to jail and then changed his mind six times before the day was out.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Whilst I'm not sure what the absolute record is I know that Vash once picked someone to jail and then changed his mind six times before the day was out.

 

[Local Hero]

Depending on when you did it, it might not have lead to dimmerwit’s death. There were more changes after the screenshot ends
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Post in thread 'Zell-wannabe Wolf - Day 5' https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wannabe-wolf-day-5.2777/post-177965

This is the post. You might have changed it to benzine after Kat started making the thread

 

[shortkut]

Post in thread 'Zell-wannabe Wolf - Day 5' https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wannabe-wolf-day-5.2777/post-177965

This is the post. You might have changed it to benzine after Kat started making the thread

You want me to match up the timestamps?

 

[Benzine]

You want me to match up the timestamps?

Why would it matter if it's over night? It's just what you pick last?

 

[Kat]

I have shortkut down as having avenge on dimmerwit at the end of the night the wolves killed Christina, which is when it would've mattered.

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Zell 17]

I wouldn’t mind starting a new game but if everyone’s a little wolfed out I can wait.

 

[Benzine]

I wouldn’t mind starting a new game but if everyone’s a little wolfed out I can wait.

you know me

i'm still too busy to host personally

 

[shortkut]

I wouldn’t mind starting a new game but if everyone’s a little wolfed out I can wait.

Could you explain what “wolfed out” means? I don’t believe I’ve ever suffered from that affliction

 

[Local Hero]

Could you explain what “wolfed out” means? I don’t believe I’ve ever suffered from that affliction

He means wolfed down. Like, we wolfed you down last game.

 

[shortkut]

He means wolfed down. Like, we wolfed you down last game.

That makes more sense. Must be a southern dialect thing

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Jawneh]

I've been a wolf many games in a row, so in that sense yes.

Otherwise, I could do another game whenever folks feel like it.

 

[Kat]

I wouldn’t mind starting a new game but if everyone’s a little wolfed out I can wait.

I'd play!

 

[Benzine]

@Kat did you enjoy hosting?

 

[Kat]

@Kat did you enjoy hosting?

Yes! It's very interesting to see the game from a new perspective, where I know everything that's happening. I feel like I got a better idea of a lot of people's play styles too. I'd be happy to host again sometime.

 

[Benzine]

I enjoyed hosting too, it was much more fun than I was expecting.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

They're on the wolf team!

sir, that is not what your description of the WWF says:

Werewolf Fan
Aura: Good
Is a normal townie.

I think the WWF should be exactly what Christina thought it was. Someone that can choose to side with whomever they want unless the wolves hit them (where they would be forced to join the wolves).

The WWF should definitely be listed as an SV role that can be converted to a wolf role.

 

[Local Hero]

The Detective can see that they belong to the werewolf team

Could be better worded, it does continue on to say they're on the wolf team.

The first sentence is to clarify that they have no powers as an unconverted townie, but they're still team wolf. Their win condition is wolf win. They lose it town wins, even if they're alive and unconverted.