Zell Wolf Zell 19 Wolf Day 3

[dimmerwit]

The complete lack of activity from the other players is almost guaranteeing no one gets lynched at all today. Which is of no benefit to anyone, even the SK.

It's a Sunday and we're not even a third of the way through it.

I'm an idiot, so why not spell out your role? At least try and save yourself. You're either getting lynched or you're telling the truth and would be a prime target for the wolves anyway.

 

[Tommy Boy]

that's why I kinda dismiss the idea of a Guardian saving me instead of Flower Child. But Tommy did have a solid argument to why a Guardian would have used their ability to save me.

Well, I wasn't arguing for or against it, I was just kind of bewildered that a flower child would do that without 100% knowing you're a villager. I can't think of any other solid reason why that would happen, besides it being an accident or an oversight by the flower child. I also can't think of a reason why a guardian wolf would save a villager that is about to get lynched when their objective is to kill villagers and prevent their own team from dying. It would be a really crazy strategy for the wolves to employ that. It's also slightly sus that you got confirmation if that action was even possible, within 10 mins of the day starting. Possible yes, since Zell was likely still on from opening the thread, but interesting that you had already asked if something like that could happen.

A flower child cannot protect their own self, the rules say they "can prevent a player from being lynched during the day". Any roles that can self protect explicitly mention this. So, YOU can't be the flower child, and nobody else would use their flower for lolz. (I hope)

I want to believe you and hear you out because you were right about Alu, but I'm having a hard time making sense of why and how you were protected last night. If you are truly a villager, this would go against the SK's and the wolves' objective to eliminate villagers.

 

[Tommy Boy]

We have plenty of time to hash this out - I don't want to jump on a bandwagon if there are things to discuss. Would still love to hear from GwJumpman, Jon, and hopefully Kat today too. But right now I'm still going to follow Local's lead.

 

[Tommy Boy]

FYI: I'll be in travel mode to Connecticut today, so I won't be around until later tonight. If you're tagging me and I'm not answering, I should be back about 10pm EST.

 

[dimmerwit]

FYI: I'll be in travel mode to Connecticut today, so I won't be around until later tonight. If you're tagging me and I'm not answering, I should be back about 10pm EST.

No worries, I've already alerted authorities about a possible wolf heading northwards.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

It's a Sunday and we're not even a third of the way through it.

I'm an idiot, so why not spell out your role? At least try and save yourself. You're either getting lynched or you're telling the truth and would be a prime target for the wolves anyway.

I literally shouldn't have to. I've made it abundantly clear what I am without even stating it. What townie role could say with confidence that Alu was bad and clear Kelly of being the SK?

 

[Local Hero]

I literally shouldn't have to. I've made it abundantly clear what I am without even stating it. What townie role could say with confidence that Alu was bad and clear Kelly of being the SK?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I also can't think of a reason why a guardian wolf would save a villager that is about to get lynched when their objective is to kill villagers and prevent their own team from dying. It would be a really crazy strategy for the wolves to employ that.

Know what's an ACTUALLY crazy strat?

A wolf voting for a fellow wolf in two rounds back to back and then ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING for their lynching and never wavering in the second round. I almost got him lynched.

It's also slightly sus that you got confirmation if that action was even possible, within 10 mins of the day starting.

??? I asked Zell after yesterday's round ended. I expected to be reading the dead thread today.

A flower child cannot protect their own self, the rules say they "can prevent a player from being lynched during the day". Any roles that can self protect explicitly mention this. So, YOU can't be the flower child, and nobody else would use their flower for lolz. (I hope)

I never once claimed Flower Child. The Flower Child cannot state with conviction that a player is a wolf.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Know what's an ACTUALLY crazy strat?

A wolf voting for a fellow wolf in two rounds back to back and then ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING for their lynching and never wavering in the second round. I almost got him lynched.

Fair point but still possible lol. Big brain stuff.

??? I asked Zell after yesterday's round ended. I expected to be reading the dead thread today.

Dude this is totally my bad and I am stupid. Sorry about that. Somehow equated the day starting to you finding out, but we all found out last night. Again my bad.

I never once claimed Flower Child. The Flower Child cannot state with conviction that a player is a wolf.

Oh I know, I was just saying that it couldn’t be possible, thinking out loud type deal.

 

[dimmerwit]

I literally shouldn't have to. I've made it abundantly clear what I am without even stating it. What townie role could say with confidence that Alu was bad and clear Kelly of being the SK?

I know what you're claiming, I was just trying to give you an opening to look a bit less guilty.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

What sucks from my POV is that I don't know which one of you to trust besides Local, and I don't even trust him at this point despite him having already outed his role. I don't want people blabbing their roles just like I try not to, but man, it sure feels lonely out here. My role "cleared" dimmerwit and Kelly, but no wolves killed last night, and a day one clear for my role is easily manipulated.

It's also kinda why I would really love for the other living players to speak up.

 

[Local Hero]

I don't know which one of you to trust besides Local, and I don't even trust him at this point despite him having already outed his role.

 

[dimmerwit]

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[Jon]

@Jon @dimmerwit @Kat @Tommy Boy @GwJumpman @dimmerwit feel free to join in on the bandwagon

There's plenty of room.

Sorry, been out most of the day. Just caught up, but all I see is misdirection.

- Jon was waaaaay to defensive about being called out as having unknown aura, but that doesn't mean he's not a townie.

Know what's an ACTUALLY crazy strat?

A wolf voting for a fellow wolf in two rounds back to back and then ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING for their lynching and never wavering in the second round. I almost got him lynched.

??? I asked Zell after yesterday's round ended. I expected to be reading the dead thread today.

I never once claimed Flower Child. The Flower Child cannot state with conviction that a player is a wolf.

Now who is being waaaaaaay too defensive?

Regardless... my thoughts at this time is this:

My top two sus for the last couple days is Kelly and FR. I have no problem voting either of them. Kat has also been conspicuously absent most of the game. Though I'm sure she's busy/has a good reason, she's also there because of this now. Alu and Vash were my other top two suspects, but they are dead now.

Regarding FR, he does play this way. He's consistent in not specifying role. I haven't much paid attention, so I don't actually know what role he's claiming. I think I saw him claim bell ringer but I wrote that off as the "I'm the Bell Ringer" joke. If that's not it, I am not doing deep dive digging into every minute thing people are saying because that's how this game originally turned sour for me. I am still having a hard time justifying him as town. Whether SK or wolf, I don't know. But I lean wolf.

As for Kelly, my same issue with yesterday holds true today. I have a good aura. Seeing anything but this leads me to believe he's not on the up and up either. We know there is a Serial Killer now, not an illusionist so the only way to hide roles went out the window there. Unless he can provide me with direct evidence as to how he would see me as unknown, I cannot say he's on the up and up. I think it's very plausible he is the SK.

See, here's where I'm hung up on the seer claim. The only logical role he could be claiming is Aura Seer. Which would show me as village team. I did confirm with Zell I am NOT one that lives on the brink of death as this is "talk to the dead" and killing roles (he can confirm if you don't believe me). I am neither. Therefore, I would absolutely have shown as village team. I think this was a calculated guess on his part, and a good strategy. But there is no other possible way I show as "unknown." I am not a "talk to the dead" role as we have a dead conjuror. I am also not a kill role or I'd have already acted. So, this would be him saying I'm the SK. And I am not.

Anyway, that's my word salad of thoughts since I missed most of the day.

 

[Local Hero]

@Smacktard

Are you SK?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Smacktard

Are you SK?

Kelly is NOT the SK.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Sorry, been out most of the day.

Welcome back

Now who is being waaaaaaay too defensive

sir, I'm being lombasted by ridiculous accusations despite obvious evidence that disputes the claims. You reacted negatively to a brief comment that wasn't an accusation. Like I said, having a Seer state you have an "unknown" aura is not an indication of being an evil-doer as there are plenty of town roles that show as "unknown". There was literally no need for you to dispute the claim.

That said, Vash being the Fool makes his arguments more amusing as he was likely trying to get you to vote him.

 

[Local Hero]

Okay. Fool has convinced me. I'll vote for Smacktard

 

[dimmerwit]

@GwJumpman care to comment?

(also @Kat)

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Anyone have IRL tabs on Kat? I know she's not normally very active, but I just can't see her going dark for a couple days while a game is active unless something happened?

 

[Jon]

sir, I'm being lombasted by ridiculous accusations despite obvious evidence that disputes the claims.

I'm not sure I see it that way. What you're claiming is "obvious" is really nothing more than circumstantial at best. That's my opinion though.

As for me, I did not act defensively. I counterpointed something that implicates Kelly. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm sorry that my literal answering questions was viewed as being defensive, but so be it. You're all entitled to your opinions.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Diplomatic immunity

I hope some day, I get Gunner and can use the "it's just been revoked" line.

 

[Jon]

I hope some day, I get Gunner and can use the "it's just been revoked" line.

I will laugh. Then cry. Then await you in the dead forum.

Also, this post on day one ended up being true, lol:

Zell Wolf - Zell 19 Wolf

ya gotta get that Fool win and flaunt the Jester badge. like a boss **Thinks about it** Nah. I like my decision better.

gwforums.com

 

[Local Hero]

Just to recap:
Facts:
FR voted Alu day one
FR says his role revealed Alu evil day two and voted for him.
Vote moved to FR, and was spared by a mysterious force.

Thoughts on evil FR:
Could have wanted to target Alu to give him good cred. By using a seer role to do it would have given pretty solid cred.
Guardian would have saved Alu and now day 3 vote is spent getting Alu and FR is pretty proven as townie.
When the vote went to FR, a little unexpectedly, wolves had to change their plan. Let FR get lynched and ruin everything? No, let guardian save him and claim flower child. A little weak, but what's the alternative?

Thoughts on good FR:
For some reason, felt Alu sus and voted day one then used seer power to confirm Alu evil.
Guardian used their power to save innocent FR to make them look guilty. This would send town into confusion and lead us to waste night actions and day vote, letting FR take all agro letting wolves go free for another day or so.
I don't like this plan, as I've stated before, because wolves should want a townie, especially a seer, to die. They were guaranteed lynch, so to waste their lynch save on a townie is absurd.

No flower child coming forward all but confirms actions came from a guardian. As I've said before, if there's a flower child, them not coming forward means the town likely comes after FR again, which wastes flower child's power.

More thoughts to come because I'm a little busy right now

 

[Local Hero]

While I think more I'm just going to safely move my vote back to Fools

 

[Fool's Requiem]

If Kat is the other wolf, that is going to be some shit.

 

[Local Hero]

Actually I didn't think I'll have time to fully flesh out my thoughts. Wanted to look at Kelly's posts and who he said he's used his seer power on.

If I recall they've been pretty easy outs, like newly killed townies. One reveal is Jon has unknown aura, which Jon denies. This doesn't mean Kelly is evil.

Can there be a world where both Kelly and Jon are telling the truth? I didn't think so?

Also, if Kelly and Alu are wolves, I don't think they'd support using guardian on Fools.

 

[Local Hero]

Unless both Fools and Kelly are wolves lol

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Me - See deez

I just want you all to know that I'm disappointing in all of you for not catching this...

 

[Local Hero]

I just want you all to know that I'm disappointing in all of you for not catching this...

I saw it but didn't get it

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I saw it but didn't get it

yeah, you wouldn't get deez nuts!!!

Meh, that doesn't work very well.

 

[Jon]

yeah, you wouldn't get deez nuts!!!

Meh, that doesn't work very well.

I just assumed you were making a "deez nutz" quip and ignored it.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I just assumed you were making a "deez nutz" quip and ignored it.

you let me make my shitty jokes

 

[Jon]

you let me make my shitty jokes

You're more than welcome to, lol. I just said I ignored it

 

[Jon]

While I reserve the right to change my mind before I go to bed (I won't be back online before the poll/day closes), right now I'm keeping my vote on Kelly. I think FR is a wolf also, at this point, but I can't shake the feeling Kelly is the solo, if not a wolf himself. There's just no way to read me as neutral unless he's trying to pin SK on me. And as discussed yesterday, outside Illusionist (which we know is not applicable today), there's just no way I can see where a player's alignment can be hidden from a seer role. So I can't find the way to give Kelly a benefit of the doubt.

I also think that even if FR is a wolf, the risk of the SK getting another free kill tonight is too risky and since I think there's a strong chance Kelly may be the SK, I'd rather vote him today and FR tomorrow.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Meta game time.

Last game, Kelly supported and followed up my votes in the last game despite me having not even claimed a role (until the very end) and having two people (who turned out to be wolves) trying to get me lynched. Two wolves that also chose not to kill me because of how sus I was.

This game: Mid-way into the second round, Kelly suddenly shifts into full attack mode alongside a KNOWN townie and is actively attempting to get me lynched after realizing I "claimed" Bell Ringer and especially after Alu is killed and revealed as a wolf, while being stuck on my Bell Ringer "claim" which was obviously a joke.

When I get lynched and get revealed as the Spirit Seer you all already know I am, you folks know who to lynch tomorrow.

ESPECIALLY if they just wasted Guardian to save my dumbass.

 

[Jon]

When I get lynched and get revealed as the Spirit Seer you all already know I am, you folks know who to lynch tomorrow.

Listen, if this is true and happens, then I thank you for your sacrifice.

But for now, I'm actually espousing Kelly as a bigger threat currently and actually voting the same as you. How's that for a friggin twist!

Do me a favor though, if you'll entertain me...

Will you tell me EXACTLY who your reads and results were for the 3 nights?

 

[Local Hero]

I'm willing to go back on to Kelly if convinced. Would be really nice if we could hear from more than 3 people lol

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Listen, if this is true and happens, then I thank you for your sacrifice.

But for now, I'm actually espousing Kelly as a bigger threat currently and actually voting the same as you. How's that for a friggin twist!

Do me a favor though, if you'll entertain me...

Will you tell me EXACTLY who your reads and results were for the 3 nights?

dimmerwit - Blue
Alu - Red
Kelly - Blue (indicating he's not the SK)

Note, I kinda teased my role after dimmerwit pretended to use Priest having not noticed he revealed it was a joke.

Zell Wolf - Zell 19 Wolf

The night has started, roles will be out momentarily, and the day will open at 9am ET. Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/ Here's the list of players: @A Brisk Walk @Benzine @canadaguy @dimmerwit @Fool's Requiem @GwJumpman @Jawneh @Jon...

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[Local Hero]

No wolf kill yesterday maybe any would would show as blue?

 

[Local Hero]

No wolf kill yesterday maybe any would would show as blue?

Never mind, aura shows affiliation, not murder

 

[Local Hero]

If Fools is innocent, then Kelly is innocent, which means Jon is lying.

Correct?

 

[Jon]

dimmerwit - Blue
Alu - Red
Kelly - Blue (indicating he's not the SK)

Note, I kinda teased my role after dimmerwit pretended to use Priest having not noticed he revealed it was a joke.

Zell Wolf - Zell 19 Wolf

The night has started, roles will be out momentarily, and the day will open at 9am ET. Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/ Here's the list of players: @A Brisk Walk @Benzine @canadaguy @dimmerwit @Fool's Requiem @GwJumpman @Jawneh @Jon...

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So, you have chosen to single target each night? Mind if I ask why?

This also doesn't exonerate Kelly. He could just as easily be a wolf seer/blind wolf. And if that's the case, he knows I'm either a regular villager or my exact role anyway (provided he checked me).

 

[Jon]

If Fools is innocent, the Kelly is innocent, which means Jon is lying.

Correct?

No. Kelly can be the blind or seer wolf.

 

[Local Hero]

Aura Seer
Aura: Good
At night, can see if a player is village team, evil team, or unknown. Some good villagers who live "on the brink of death" will show as unknown. Uses their ability by PMing at night who they want to check

Blind Wolf
Aura: Evil

 

[Fool's Requiem]

No wolf kill yesterday maybe any would would show as blue?

If I had marked the SK, I would have seen Red. There's a reason I keep saying that Kelly is not the SK.

So, you have chosen to single target each night? Mind if I ask why?

I don't like getting 50/50 results. One target gives me the info I need without trying to play guessing games. If I get a Red and I Seer two targets, I don't know which one killed.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Aura Seer
Aura: Good
At night, can see if a player is village team, evil team, or unknown. Some good villagers who live "on the brink of death" will show as unknown. Uses their ability by PMing at night who they want to check

Blind Wolf
Aura: Evil

I'm the SPIRIT Seer.

 

[Jon]

Aura Seer
Aura: Good
At night, can see if a player is village team, evil team, or unknown. Some good villagers who live "on the brink of death" will show as unknown. Uses their ability by PMing at night who they want to check

Blind Wolf
Aura: Evil

He said he's the spirit seer, not aura seer. FR that is.

 

[Local Hero]

I'm the SPIRIT Seer.

My bad