Zell Wolf Zell 19 Wolf Day 3

[Local Hero]

Okay. I'll go back to voting Kelly.

 

[Smacktard]

I'm willing to entertain the thought of FR not being a wolf OR the SK, but simply none of it adds up for me.

Day 1 bandwagons never happen, and FR never forced it, so that's moot.
Day 2 seemed like wolf theatre. There's still no good explanation for why wolves would save a non-wolf, and no flower girl has stepped forward.

Regardless, we need the right lynch today or we're cooked when the SK and wolves kill again tonight. I'm willing to vote for anyone that isn't Local. I think NOT voting FR is a huge mistake, but if we don't have the votes to clinch it, I reserve the right to say "I told you so" tomorrow if we don't lynch a wolf today (if I'm alive).

@Fool's Requiem Who would your next vote be?

 

[Jon]

If I had marked the SK, I would have seen Red. There's a reason I keep saying that Kelly is not the SK.

I don't like getting 50/50 results. One target gives me the info I need without trying to play guessing games. If I get a Red and I Seer two targets, I don't know which one killed.

Fair. That was my assumption as to the reasoning. But still wanted to hear it from you.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Fool's Requiem Who would your next vote be?

I have no reason to change my vote for today. Tomorrow will depend on today's outcome, whether or not I survive to the next day phase, and the Seer info I get. I'm leaning Kat.

 

[Smacktard]

Last game, Kelly supported and followed up my votes in the last game despite me having not even claimed a role (until the very end) and having two people (who turned out to be wolves) trying to get me lynched. Two wolves that also chose not to kill me because of how sus I was.

I didn't "support" or "follow up" your votes in the last game. I knew who the wolves were from ~vibes~ alone, and I reached those observations independently. By day 2 I think it was I knew who all the wolves were. Check Zell's stats.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I didn't "support" or "follow up" your votes in the last game. I knew who the wolves were from ~vibes~ alone, and I reached those observations independently. By day 2 I think it was I knew who all the wolves were. Check Zell's stats.

 

[Jon]

Day 2 seemed like wolf theatre. There's still no good explanation for why wolves would save a non-wolf, and no flower girl has stepped forward.

Thing is, Jump and Kat have said nothing today thus far. Jump only posted a gif after the murder spree and Kat hasn't been around much, but there is nothing stopping her from preemptively telling Zell to stop a lynch if she knew she wasn't going to be around much. Either COULD be flower child. Additionally, neither Tommy nor dimmerwit have really alluded to roles.

So there is still possibility there IS a flower child.

 

[Smacktard]

I don't like getting 50/50 results. One target gives me the info I need without trying to play guessing games. If I get a Red and I Seer two targets, I don't know which one killed.

Dude WHAT

Are you lying about your role AGAIN? So you can completely backpedal AGAIN and people just go "oh haha that's reasonable"?

The spirit seer sees TWO people. That's the gimmick. It doesn't give precise answers. You can't just choose one person.

 

[Local Hero]

Dude WHAT

Are you lying about your role AGAIN? So you can completely backpedal AGAIN and people just go "oh haha that's reasonable"?

The spirit seer sees TWO people. That's the gimmick. It doesn't give precise answers. You can't just choose one person.

Spirit Seer
Aura: Good
Can check one or two players to see if those players killed someone at night.

 

[Jon]

The spirit seer sees TWO people. That's the gimmick. It doesn't give precise answers. You can't just choose one person.

Not true.

Spirit Seer
Aura: Good
Can check one or two players to see if those players killed someone at night. The simply receive a color, red or blue. Blue results means none of the players selected killed anyone. Red means at least one player selected killed someone, if not both. If there is a wolf kill, all wolves will show red except for the Blind Wolf and the Wolf Seer. If the Blind Wolf or Wolf Seer resign their ability they will show red like any other werewolf. A jailed player will always show as blue. This power is used at night by PMing the name or names of the players they wish to check.

 

[Smacktard]

That is totally my bad.

I always thought you had to at least compare it with another role (ie: choose Local to compare it to).

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm going to sleep. I'll let you guys figure this out. Hopefully the inactives will post something before the "day" phase is over.

 

[Smacktard]

dimmerwit - Blue
Alu - Red
Kelly - Blue (indicating he's not the SK)

Anyway, I just have to say, for someone accusing me of having convenient picks, these are pretty convenient.

You claim Dimmerwit is blue but that "that doesn't mean anything". You claim I'm Blue, but you're still voting for me.

Well when I'm dead tomorrow and what little is left of the town sees there's still 2 wolves and a SK, you'll have some explaining to do.

 

[Local Hero]

I'm not convinced of Kelly.

I'd like to discuss* the Jon is unknown thing, "no I'm not!" thing.

Jon, what's your role?

 

[Jon]

Jon, what's your role?

I'm not sure now is the right time to out my exact role, which I know isn't a good way to clear myself. My issue is it holds fairly significant benefit to the town right now at night. I've said I don't mind people piecing it together, but until the benefit to the town is taken away, I shouldn't outright say it.

What I can tell you is the things I've already said. I am a regular villager with good alignment. I am not one that "lives on the brink of death" meaning I am not a talk to the dead role or a killing role. I will add that I also cannot affect the outcome of lynch votes in any capacity.

That should adequately narrow my role down, while leaving it open ended enough for the wolves and SK to be left in the weeds a little.

Again, I know this doesn't help make my case at all, but I do believe this is the best option for the town to succeed, so I'm willing to put that on the line.

 

[Smacktard]

FWIW I don't think Jon is bad. If I explain my reasoning though, I know I'm fucked and the town loses again.

 

[Local Hero]

New thought. We don't actually want a wolf lynch here. We want an SK lynch.

According to Fools (if he's a townie), Kelly is not the SK, but possibly a wolf.

Should we not pick a new target?

 

[Smacktard]

I think either Jon or FR could be the SK at this point. But really it could be anyone (except I guess Kat). I think the chances of us hitting a non-townie are pretty good if we work together Local, but I can't work with you if you're voting against me.

 

[dimmerwit]

So I'm going to discount the possibility of a Flower Child. If there is one they should come forward.

The main argument that FR is wolf is that being saved by the Guardian Wolf obviously makes a lot of sense if he was. That said, firing the Guardian on a townie Fool's feels like a peak Alu move. Not only would we potentially waste another day on lynching him but it would rid us of a potentially useful role and let the actual wolves lay lower. It may have backfired slightly with the failed kill last night, but the serial killer did them a solid on that front.

Other than that, he has given two accurate reads. He didn't just point to Alu as a wolf, he said I was good on day 1. Both are accurate, though you'll just have to trust me on the first one. It's not impossible for there to be a Wolf Seer or Blind Wolf which could give the same information and give him an alibi, but considering the wolves targeted the Loudmouth and the Fool I'm not so sure about that. But it's possible.

I would also say that I prodded Fool's earlier since I knew there's only one town role that fit. Unfortunately he read the rulebook this time so that alone doesn't help us either way.

In short, my already limited brainpower has been scrambled further and I have no idea what to believe. My pond has turned purple and smells of rotten eggs, and it's raining on what was forecast to be the hottest day of the month.

New thought. We don't actually want a wolf lynch here. We want an SK lynch.

According to Fools (if he's a townie), Kelly is not the SK, but possibly a wolf.

Should we not pick a new target?

No, we want a wolf lynch.

Also, it's in the SK's best interest not to let the wolf-town balance get too skewed as they don't want the wolves to actually win.

You claim Dimmerwit is blue but that "that doesn't mean anything". You claim I'm Blue, but you're still voting for me.

With the first bit, it's because the wolves killed that night so you know I'm not a wolf. Being transparent, this doesn't discount me from being the serial killer. I believe the only role left that could cause a misread is having a Shaman Wolf target me night 1, which is unlikely if not quite impossible.

Since the wolves didn't kill last night, you being blue only means you're not the Serial Killer.

 

[Smacktard]

Since the wolves didn't kill last night, you being blue only means you're not the Serial Killer.

Similarly, you being blue night 1 only means that you're not a wolf -- or at least, not a wolf that could kill.

No, we want a wolf lynch.

I think we want either a wolf OR a SK lynch. Anything else and we lose.

Looking at it objectively, if what FR is saying is true, then you and I are both less likely to be the SK or a wolf compared to others.

Of course, there's also the possibility that you could be the second wolf.

Or there's the possibility that FR is trying to gain your vote by appealing to you.

I don't know anymore, but I think FR is using the blue read on me as an excuse to not be lynched tomorrow when I am inevitably killed and revealed to be the aura seer.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

You claim Dimmerwit is blue but that "that doesn't mean anything". You claim I'm Blue, but you're still voting for me.

Being Blue does not clear you of being a bad guy. It just clears you of being a killer that night.

dimmerwit came back blue night one. The wolves killed. It WOULD suggest he's not a wolf, but there are two wolves that would most certainly escape being caught as they wouldn't yet being involved in voting for a wolf kill. It also doesn't absolve him of being the SK.
You came up Blue last night. No wolf kill, but the SK most certainly killed. You can't be the SK, but you CAN still be a wolf, and your reaaaaaaalllllly acting like a wolf right know.

If you can suggest to me of someone else who could possibly be a wolf besides me, I'm all ears. Jumpman has been suuuuper silent since posting a reaction gif at the start of the round.

Edit: Safe to assume Kat is not getting involved before the end of the day phase. She is supposedly west coast USA, it's only 4 there right now.

 

[dimmerwit]

GwJumpman has been online multiple times and hasn't checked in, even when I tagged him.

Kat I believe is just inactive since she hasn't been online since about a couple of hours after the start of Day 2.

 

[Smacktard]

Being Blue does not clear you of being a bad guy. It just clears you of being a killer that night.

dimmerwit came back blue night one. The wolves killed. It WOULD suggest he's not a wolf,

You are missing the point entirely. Being blue clears me of being a killer, and him being blue night one clears him of being a KILLING wolf, but NOT of being the killer.

So my point is, objectively, if we believe what you're saying (which I don't), a better lynch target would be anyone other than me or dimmerwit because there's a higher likelihood that they are EITHER a wolf or the SK.

Such as, y'know, the wolf who got rescued before he was supposed to be lynched.

 

[Smacktard]

GwJumpman has been online multiple times and hasn't checked in, even when I tagged him.

Kat I believe is just inactive since she hasn't been online since about a couple of hours after the start of Day 2.

Now that I think about it, we could all be townies pointing fingers at each other while the wolves and SK are laying low.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Now that I think about it, we could all be townies pointing fingers at each other while the wolves and SK are laying low.

so, let's vote Jumpman.

 

[Smacktard]

Done. If he's been a wolf or SK all along I'll fkn laff.

 

[dimmerwit]

The problem is we'd be short by one vote unless @Local Hero, @Tommy Boy or @Jon come online.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

The problem is we'd be short by one vote unless @Local Hero, @Tommy Boy or @Jon come online.

I think we're going to have a no lynch unless the both of you just vote me. Tbe wolves would prefer to kill the SK, but I feel like with there only being two of them, they would prefer a no vote to delay things even further. You might have to just lynch me. I'm obviously not the Fool and no is Headhunting me, so I'm technically a safe lynch. I'm not an Avenger, either, if that's a concern.

 

[dimmerwit]

I think we're going to have a no lynch unless the both of you just vote me. Tbe wolves would prefer to kill the SK, but I feel like with there only being two of them, they would prefer a no vote to delay things even further. You might have to just lynch me. I'm obviously not the Fool and no is Headhunting me, so I'm technically a safe lynch. I'm not an Avenger, either, if that's a concern.

We can't vote you out unless you voted for yourself. Assuming none of the inactives get online, the only lynch is Smacktard.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

We can't vote you out unless you voted for yourself. Assuming none of the inactives get online, the only lynch is Smacktard.

shit, you're right. we're fucked.

 

[dimmerwit]

Well, hang on. Is that a wild Tommy I see?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Hay doods, am I voting jump? Sorry I didn’t check in last night, wife lost her wedding ring set an alarm to make sure I checked before 9am lol

 

[Smacktard]

Saved in the nick of time!

 

[dimmerwit]

Well, possibly. Or we've made a hilarious mistake.

Either way, at least something happened. I want action dammit!

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Tommy is a hero.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Overthinking everything again recommences in just a little over 12 hours.

Also, if Jumpman is a WOLF, Kelly is 100% a townie. If he's the SK, then anything is possible.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[dimmerwit]

In before Fools and Smacktard are the wolves.

 

[dimmerwit]

skip

(sorry Vash)

 

[Zell 17]

The village lynched GwJumpman. GwJumpman is the Blind Wolf.

 

[Zell 17]

Night actions please