You knew it couldn't last

[Quagmire]

Is this confirmed? Kelly said so, but then backed off on that later because he thought you were partnered with Tommy (to let him know in advance that you were muted).

Maybe I missed something else though. Benzine saying Quagmire should be voted and feeling confident about it tends to scream "wolf trying to kill off the RK" a bit.

I know Tommy claimed to be something that can protect someone I forgot what the title was and I'm on my phone maybe magician and he claimed to have protected Canada guy but I was able to kill Canada guy now I guess it is possible he rescinded that protection after the first night?

 

[Jawneh]

I know Tommy claimed to be something that can protect someone I forgot what the title was and I'm on my phone maybe magician and he claimed to have protected Canada guy but I was able to kill Canada guy now I guess it is possible he rescinded that protection after the first night?

He said he's the witch. If true, he has a protection potion to use once. Only consumed if protection is successful.

Other one was CG, but him ded.

 

[rktaker]

Anyone who votes for a confirmed townie is playing in a dumb way

or could be Shortkut who doesn’t read

 

[A Punched Face]

I know Tommy claimed to be something that can protect someone I forgot what the title was and I'm on my phone maybe magician and he claimed to have protected Canada guy but I was able to kill Canada guy now I guess it is possible he rescinded that protection after the first night?

You're saying you gave CG the potion on night 2 and Tommy is claiming that he didn't receive word of protection being successful (the night he protected CG), then that means either the Witch potion doesn't impact Illusionist (doesn't say it wouldn't stop that) or Tommy is officially a liar.

Unless you're saying you illusioned CG night one and managed to kill him later. That's completely possible, because the protection is only for that specific night phase.

 

[Quagmire]

Unless you're saying you illusioned CG night one and managed to kill him later. That's completely possible, because the protection is only for that specific night phase.

that is the case, so Tommy could be a witch

 

[canadaguy]

"Disguising is treated as a "normal solo killer attack" for the purposes of being blocked."

This sould mean the potion should protect. Depends when you disguised me

 

[Quagmire]

"Disguising is treated as a "normal solo killer attack" for the purposes of being blocked."

This sould mean the potion should protect. Depends when you disguised me

You were disguised on the very first day or something, I was asked to pick a number and it ended up being your number

 

[A Punched Face]

Okay, so no proof that tommy is a liar liar pants on fire yet.

 

[Quagmire]

Okay, so no proof that tommy is a liar liar pants on fire yet.

He still seems suspicious and if I wasn't going to get lynched I was going to disguise him and kill every disguised at the start of the next day

 

[Jawneh]

Something doesn't add up though.

If CG is the bodyguard and the illusionist disguising is an attack that can be blocked, CG would not have gotten disguised and killed today. No attack could have been done yet at that point. Thus, CG would not have died today.

Unless he's the one whose pants are on fire.

Congrats Quagmire. You bagged a wolf!

 

[canadaguy]

If wolves and illusionist target me I think one gets through still

 

[A Punched Face]

Something doesn't add up though.

If CG is the bodyguard and the illusionist disguising is an attack that can be blocked, CG would not have gotten disguised and killed today. No attack could have been done yet at that point. Thus, CG would not have died today.

Unless he's the one whose pants are on fire.

Congrats Quagmire. You bagged a wolf!

If you want "not adding up" it would be that the illusionist disguise comes before the wolf attack, and that would have been the one blocked. Then the wolf attack would have come through and killed cg.

The the illusionist kill wouldn't have worked.

@Zell 17 if the bodyguard is hit by the illusionist would they block the attack?

 

[canadaguy]

@Zell 17

EXPLAIN YOURSELF

 

[Jawneh]

Actually, wait a moment. I need to do some reading compression, and maybe a Zell intervention.

The action list DOES list illusionist disguise as happening before bodyguard protection, but is that protection the active protection only or both the inherent bodyguard protecting his own ass and active protection action?

Wolf Nightmare activates
Beast Hunter picks up trap (if moved)
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Warden weapon used
Wolf seer/Sorcerer check
Wolf seer/Sorcerer choice to resign
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check
Detective check
Aura Seer check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer/Sheriff check
Beast Hunter places trap
Cupid selection

Bolded important bits.

So, is the bodyguard being able to take a hit against himself is passively always active, then CG is not the bodyguard.

If he was targeted by both the illusionist and wolves he'd been dead night 1, as the illusionist disguise would eat one protection and wolves the second. So he'd be dead already.

The only way CG is the bodyguard is if wolves attacked him or who he protected night 1 and Quaqmire is lying about disguising him night 1. Which is possible, sure. I guess we can't take his words as gospel, but I didn't see a reason not to believe him either.

 

[Quagmire]

I double checked, potion only works at night

 

[A Punched Face]

I think that might be what you were saying actually? It's hot in here and I may have read it wrong initially lol.

But yeah right now it's either leaning toward CG being the liar or Zell made a booboo...or no protections can stop the illusionist?

 

[Quagmire]

Actually, wait a moment. I need to do some reading compression, and maybe a Zell intervention.

The action list DOES list illusionist disguise as happening before bodyguard protection, but is that protection the active protection only or both the inherent bodyguard protecting his own ass and active protection action?


Bolded important bits.

So, is the bodyguard being able to take a hit against himself is passively always active, then CG is not the bodyguard.

If he was targeted by both the illusionist and wolves he'd been dead night 1, as the illusionist disguise would eat one protection and wolves the second. So he'd be dead already.

The only way CG is the bodyguard is if wolves attacked him or who he protected night 1 and Quaqmire is lying about disguising him night 1. Which is possible, sure. I guess we can't take his words as gospel, but I didn't see a reason not to believe him either.

I guess technically he was disguised before the first night/before the game started

 

[A Punched Face]

Any disguised player will appear to be the Illusionist to all seers and will be reported as the Illusionist if they are killed. Disguising is treated as a "normal solo killer attack" for the purposes of being blocked.

That seems to indicate that the Illusionist can be protected against. So maybe the order of operations needs to be updated? Or the role description?

 

[A Punched Face]

OR, cg is lying.

 

[canadaguy]

OR, cg is lying.

Could be the case.

But its not.

But it could be.

 

[canadaguy]

That seems to indicate that the Illusionist can be protected against. So maybe the order of operations needs to be updated? Or the role description?

Can't really block it if it happens before any blocks are processed.

 

[canadaguy]

Anyways, remember the wolves didn't kill night one and I am the only one that has come forward with a reason why

 

[Quagmire]

That seems to indicate that the Illusionist can be protected against. So maybe the order of operations needs to be updated? Or the role description?

I disguised CG before we started playing so before Tommy's claimed protection potion

 

[canadaguy]

I disguised CG before we started playing so before Tommy's claimed protection potion

I should have had an inherent protection due to being bodyguard. Tommy's protection didn't come into play.

 

[A Punched Face]

Anyways, remember the wolves didn't kill night one and I am the only one that has come forward with a reason why

Which is what Kat (as a wolf) did a while back when the wolves found the fan on night 1 (which I actually pointed out in the first day phase of this game).

 

[Jawneh]

The way CG also isn't lying is if the illusionist action supersedes the bodyguard protection and gets disguised anyhow. From there, the kill is done during the day and bodyguard only protects during the night.

But that also means Tommy's potion would have had to take effect night 1? The very least CG wouldn't have gotten a notice he got attacked and he had already said day 1 and against day 2 that he had been attacked already.

 

[A Punched Face]

I should have had an inherent protection due to being bodyguard. Tommy's protection didn't come into play.

And yes, this. The issue is whether or not a bodyguard (or even anyone, at this point looking at the order of operations) would be able to protects against the illusionist.

 

[A Punched Face]

The way CG also isn't lying is if the illusionist action supersedes the bodyguard protection and gets disguised anyhow. From there, the kill is done during the day and bodyguard only protects during the night.

But that also means Tommy's potion would have had to take effect night 1? The very least CG wouldn't have gotten a notice he got attacked and he had already said day 1 and against day 2 that he had been attacked already.

The role description is:

Disguising is treated as a "normal solo killer attack" for the purposes of being blocked.

Doesn't read as if it's action taken during the "kill" but during the disguise.

 

[A Punched Face]

So now we just need to wait for @Zell 17 to confirm if the bodyguard would block the disguise, as it says in the role description for illusionist, or if it would go through unimpeded because of the listed order of actions.

 

[Quagmire]

According to dictionary body guard protection only works at night

 

[A Punched Face]

According to dictionary body guard protection only works at night

Yes...and it would have protected against the disguise, not the kill.

Either the description of the illusionist is wrong and incorrectly implies it can be protected against, or the order of night actions is wrong, or a combination of one of those and either zell goofing or cg lying.

 

[Jawneh]

Yeah. This all hinges on whether the illusionist can just disguise everyone without worry as it happens before protections.

Except the beast hunter trap after being activated. That persist until moved, but also doesn't affect our problem here.

 

[Jawneh]

Thought I'm more convinced from CG's replies to this thread that he's a big ol' fibber. That's me though.

 

[canadaguy]

Ok town, go and assume there are only 3 wolves and lose

 

[A Punched Face]

Ok town, go and assume there are only 3 wolves and lose

Hey now, I'm just trying to get Zell in here to straighten things out. If only the beast hunter can protect against the illusionist disguise, then you're potentially in the clear. If the body guard can and Zell didn't just miss that this time (as opposed to following what it says and potentially needing to update a description), then you're not.

 

[Quagmire]

 

[Benzine]

As per usual I am not reading this thread so holla if you need me to say something.

What another great guess at evil from me

 

[canadaguy]

As per usual I am not reading this thread so holla if you need me to say something.

What another great guess at evil from me

To sum everything up: Jawneh thinks I am bad but I am not. rktaker is medium and can resurrect either Alu or Jawneh. You and I cannot because we are Illusionisted

 

[Quagmire]

To sum everything up: Jawneh thinks I am bad but I am not. rktaker is medium and can resurrect either Alu or Jawneh. You and I cannot because we are Illusionisted

Is that rule stated somewhere or just how it has been ran since the start?

 

[A Punched Face]

Is that rule stated somewhere or just how it has been ran since the start?

The only people who can be revived are the ones who had their roles revealed. It says that I'm the dictionary for the medium I believe.

 

[Quagmire]

The only people who can be revived are the ones who had their roles revealed. It says that I'm the dictionary for the medium I believe.

It does, I searched resurrection, and medium uses revive so I only saw Ritualist (which upon close inspection is just a spell they cast before the person dies)

 

[Zell 17]

Yes...and it would have protected against the disguise, not the kill.

Either the description of the illusionist is wrong and incorrectly implies it can be protected against, or the order of night actions is wrong, or a combination of one of those and either zell goofing or cg lying.

For BG purposes the “kill” portion would be counted as an attack against the bodyguard.
A doctor/witch/tough guy would prevent a disguise entirely

 

[canadaguy]

So there you have it.

 

[Benzine]

I'm a wolf though

 

[canadaguy]

 

[Quagmire]

I'm a wolf though

Was, not am

 

[Benzine]

Was, not am

No, I am a wolf

 

[Benzine]

I was the loudmouth

 

[Jawneh]

@A Challenger Approaches @rktaker

It might be better to revive Alu. I can't use my power until the following night and if the wolves have a shadow wolf in their midst we're probably boned. At least Alu can in that case null the vote.

 

[Benzine]

and alu is a baller of a player