You knew it couldn't last

[Jawneh]

I'd argue the game becomes less interesting if I die too early. :[

 

[Jawneh]

Before I convinced rk to throw Alu back to pay taxes, I was planning on having my grand return be like:


I'm back bitches!

 

[Quagmire]

He picked 5, and then I told him that you were disguised. I don't think he ever went back to the number table and checked that 5 wasn't your number.

Im confused, I now see he wasnt 5, so you lied? Or is that because of who Jon was it deflected onto Canadaguy?

 

[dimmerwit]

I was on the fence about throwing the second rock until you said you were going to mute somebody every day.

I thought about taking out Local instead of dimmerwit, but he was likely the guardian and had already picked his target. Zell said for abilities like that, being concussed prevents swapping targets but not from the ability being triggered. So I figured maybe I could prevent a different wolf from using an ability that night. Obviously it didn't work out well, haha.

Yeah. Our problem is that we didn't realise that Local's ability would still work when he was hit by the first rock as long as he had set his target beforehand. It's particularly ridiculous because we had asked for clarification about that aspect for my Avenger role, but for some reason I had it in my head that it worked differently for the Guardian. I think I just got target fixation of sorts because I noticed this pretty much immediately after I had died and I actually thought about the game.

So that explains my actions on that day when you threw the first rock. I'd not contest your accusations and take the rock to ensure Local didn't, since I'd calculated that if Fool's didn't have any type of save/kill role then we would almost certainly win. Obviously if we had known I would have been free to try and pin it on Fool's without any real risk.

In truth your second set of rocks barely mattered. Technically there was a narrow path for a Town victory but you would never had found it.

 

[Zell 17]

Im confused, I now see he wasnt 5, so you lied? Or is that because of who Jon was it deflected onto Canadaguy?

Canadaguy’s role lets him take an attack in place of somebody else. He protected 5.

 

[Zell 17]

Also getting hit with a rock would have disabled the Guardian ability

 

[dimmerwit]

OK scratch that I'm still a genius.

 

[A Punched Face]

So just waiting for Jon and then the game is over.

 

[Jon]

I'm doing my part

I was on your team! lol

It obviously wasn't set in stone, but I think the point of no return was dimmerwit getting to avenge early. There were obviously other things before then that didn't help at all, but that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I think the only thing that could have changed that would have been the wolves hitting Kelly for some reason, who then avenged a wolf out of existence. But as Zell pointed out, Benzine accidentally loud mouthing the role out made that not possible.


What's the number of mistakes you normally say it takes for the town to make in order for the wolves to win? And how many did we get this time? I count at least 3:
CG protecting a wolf on the first night
Benzine outing Kelly as loudmouth
Kat killing dimmerwit early

Although I guess killing the librarian early also didn't help.


(not blaming anyone for these mistakes, we were all working with no knowledge for the most part and still brought it down to one wolf with one life, even with them being absolutely stacked to the point of being my literal worst case scenario)

I wouldn't personally call those mistakes though. They all were random events that they had no way to know. Things that went wrong contributing to town loss? Sure, but not mistakes.

So just waiting for Jon and then the game is over.

Psh, I had my "let's end this" posts to Zell in the morning. Kelly not skipping before Zell went to bed is why we had to wait till this morning.

 

[Jon]

In the end, I take a break from wolf and STILL come back to being a wolf. I'm gonna get killed early next game just because of this.

But also... wolf roles were ideal and we used them well, and STILL nearly lost. Which makes this win all the more impressive to me.

But instead of "well played, wolves" ya'll are too convinced on how to delegitimize our win. Fuckers...

Also, lol at me being alpha and kut being Beta

 

[A Punched Face]

I wouldn't personally call those mistakes though. They all were random events that they had no way to know. Things that went wrong contributing to town loss? Sure, but not mistakes.

For the purposes of Zell's normal "it takes this many mistakes by the town for the wolves to win" it counts. It's almost never a purposeful thing, but it's an unfortunate event.

 

[A Punched Face]

Gotta love my worst case scenario.

Congrats wolves.

But instead of "well played, wolves" ya'll are too convinced on how to delegitimize our win. Fuckers...

Hey now. First thing I did was congratulate you all. Saying it was my "worst case scenario" doesn't de-legitimize it at all either.

 

[Local Hero]

I, for one, welcome our new wolf overlords.

 

[A Punched Face]

I, for one, welcome our new wolf overlords.

You welcome...yourself?

 

[Jon]

Is this the first real Zell wolf win, btw?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I feel like I did everything as well as I possibly could have done and still lost.

My POV:

 

[Jon]

I feel like I did everything as well as I possibly could have done and still lost.

My POV:

I think the lack of tangible role claim plus the slight gap in people being convinced I was a wolf was where it was tough for you.

YOU didn't lose this game. The wolves just legit had everything fall their way in the end. And you still almost won.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Oh hey, I need to know:

Why the fuck did you guys kill Vash instead of Tommy? You had no Seer information because you had two Alphas, a Guardian, and an Avenger? Why the rando Vash kill?

That kill alone threw me off more than the Illusionist blocking CG's role.

 

[dimmerwit]

I feel like I did everything as well as I possibly could have done and still lost.

Yeah, I felt for you. Still, I'd never blame the Preacher in such circumstances. Your role was basically redundant.

 

[Local Hero]

Oh hey, I need to know:

Why the fuck did you guys kill Vash instead of Tommy? You had no Seer information because you had two Alphas, a Guardian, and an Avenger? Why the rando Vash kill?

That kill alone threw me off more than the Illusionist blocking CG's role.

Yeah, just random. Tommy had more of a chance of having some protection

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Yeah, I felt for you. Still, I'd never blame the Preacher in such circumstances. Your role was basically redundant.

I try to make the most of these roles. My playstyle is BECAUSE I got a useless role that can be easily role claimed in the past, Bell Ringer.

 

[Local Hero]

 

[dimmerwit]

Oh hey, I need to know:

Why the fuck did you guys kill Vash instead of Tommy? You had no Seer information because you had two Alphas, a Guardian, and an Avenger? Why the rando Vash kill?

That kill alone threw me off more than the Illusionist blocking CG's role.

It was pretty random, but in small part because we thought Vash would be able to rally people to his side. We didn't target Tommy because we still weren't sure if there was another protective role out there that we thought would be used to save him. Still, Jon suggested it and in hindsight we should have just done it.

I try to make the most of these roles. My playstyle is BECAUSE I got a useless role that can be easily role claimed, Bell Rjnger.

Such is luck. I got Farmer in my first game, still got lynched pretty early!

I was considering claiming Preacher simply because I knew it was a bad role and could explain my quietness.

 

[A Punched Face]

I feel like I did everything as well as I possibly could have done and still lost.

My POV:

You played your role well and got the extra votes needed that if they had anything other than another alpha you guaranteed the win. That's all you could have done.

 

[Jon]

Oh hey, I need to know:

Why the fuck did you guys kill Vash instead of Tommy? You had no Seer information because you had two Alphas, a Guardian, and an Avenger? Why the rando Vash kill?

That kill alone threw me off more than the Illusionist blocking CG's role.

Yep, we assumed if there was protection, Tommy would have it.

My only hesitation on Vash was the thought that we, as wolves, couldn't kill solo non-violent roles too. But we could.

We wanted to have more info on others before taking the shot at Tommy.

 

[Jon]

My day 1 strategy was the teflon duo.

 

[Local Hero]

Alu tastes so nice we had to eat him twice

 

[A Punched Face]

My new strategy will be posting "worst case scenario" on a daily basis to see how it plays out.

 

[dimmerwit]

My new strategy will be posting "worst case scenario" on a daily basis to see how it plays out.

The stock market has beaten you to this today!

 

[A Punched Face]

The stock market has beaten you to this today!

That's Japan's fault.

 

[Kat]

Also getting hit with a rock would have disabled the Guardian ability

What?! Damn, I should've asked about the guardian specifically instead of assuming it worked like the other roles.

 

[Local Hero]

What?! Damn, I should've asked about the guardian specifically instead of assuming it worked like the other roles.

I dodged a bullet in this one

 

[A Punched Face]

I dodged a bullet in this one

No, you dodged a rock. Mixing up roles caused Jon to be outed so don't you start on that now.

 

[Local Hero]

No, you dodged a rock. Mixing up roles caused Jon to be outed so don't you start on that now.

Oh right, I forgot my role was flower child

 

[shortkut]

I did state I was the mafia don, but I should have specified I was the wolf version of that

 

[dimmerwit]

I made 13 posts in the entire game.

One on day one, which was just an AI picture of a Kiwi. 10 on day two (mostly irrelevant), 2 on day three and none at all on day four.

This is the winning strategy!

 

[Tommy Boy]

I made 13 posts in the entire game.

One on day one, which was just an AI picture of a Kiwi. 10 on day two (mostly irrelevant), 2 on day three and none at all on day four.

This is the winning strategy!

I am still learning how you play, but I noticed you were being extremely passive the whole game. I ended up not calling you out because I couldn't hold that against you when people like Benzine barely said anything, either. Very well played, though. I felt like I had to reveal my role to stay alive and get the town to rally around me and believe me, but your strategy of being quiet paid off.

However, @Fool's Requiem there was a point where I felt like you should have revealed maybe earlier, though I understand your reasoning. It got to a point where I truly doubted you were the last townie, but only because of your resistance to saying what your role was. It's a double-edged sword, though - I don't fault you at all. I honestly thought your plan at the end was genius, and would have won it had there not been two alphas. Either way, you did good in the end despite the odds. GG.

 

[dimmerwit]

I am still learning how you play, but I noticed you were being extremely passive the whole game. I ended up not calling you out because I couldn't hold that against you when people like Benzine barely said anything, either. Very well played, though. I felt like I had to reveal my role to stay alive and get the town to rally around me and believe me, but your strategy of being quiet paid off.

I think I should have claimed something fairly useless earlier though. I was thinking of Farmer, Preacher or Seer Apprentice. Lucky I didn't pick the latter!

On the last day though it was just because Kat was threatening to throw the rock at me and we needed it to not hit Local. I had figured that as long as Fool's really did have a useless role we would have enough hit points to guarantee a win. I also thought that Jon had a much better chance of proving his innocence. But in a game with worse wolves it would be a bad strategy as it left me boxed into a corner when it came to role claiming.

 

[A Punched Face]

I think I should have claimed something fairly useless earlier though. I was thinking of Farmer, Preacher or Seer Apprentice. Lucky I didn't pick the latter!

On the last day though it was just because Kat was threatening to throw the rock at me and we needed it to not hit Local. I had figured that as long as Fool's really did have a useless role we would have enough hit points to guarantee a win. I also thought that Jon had a much better chance of proving his innocence. But in a game with worse wolves it would be a bad strategy as it left me boxed into a corner when it came to role claiming.

Making yourself the target over another wolf when you're the avenger wolf is always a good play. One of you was likely going down anyway, and this way you got to take someone with you.

So it was a good play.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

However, @Fool's Requiem there was a point where I felt like you should have revealed maybe earlier, though I understand your reasoning. It got to a point where I truly doubted you were the last townie, but only because of your resistance to saying what your role was. It's a double-edged sword, though - I don't fault you at all. I honestly thought your plan at the end was genius, and would have won it had there not been two alphas. Either way, you did good in the end despite the odds. GG.

Revealing my role wouldn't have changed anything. The end result was the same. Make it to the end with enough extra votes to guarantee a vote goes my way. I didn't want to tell my role in the event there was no seer. If the wolves know my role, and they didn't have another Alpha in their back pocket, they most certainly would have axed me on the night they went after Kat. Also, leaving doubt in the minds of the townies meant that the wolves would most certainly want to make usage of that and try to turn votes against me giving me opportunities to increase my vote count.

A LOT of things went against me. Vash being lynched instead of Tommy was the first. The wolves going after Kat instead of rk. And the wolves having a second Alpha Wolf in their back pocket.

I kinda want to be as suspicious as possible and I need to be consistent on that. Not revealing my role unless I have something that absolutely needs to be shared or I'm about to shmurder someone during the day needs to be a part of my plan. Don't let the wolves know anything. If they do know something make sure that they have a reason to keep me around. And if I'm a wolf, SK, or SV, I need that consistency so that people aren't 100% on my side. I won as the Fool doing this. If I get lynched round one, I get lynched round one.

I said in this game, I don't think I was suspicious ENOUGH. I kinda just coasted through until you got killed and I finally got a second vote.

@VashTheStampede I think you should have gone at me early on. Even if the wolves don't kill you, the Illusionist being dead would have made your chances almost nil. Maybe the wolves hop on the bandwagon, or maybe they realize that "hey, Vash is claiming Fools is bad, but he's not on our team... maybe he's the headhunter."

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I think I should have claimed something fairly useless earlier though. I was thinking of Farmer, Preacher or Seer Apprentice. Lucky I didn't pick the latter!

On the last day though it was just because Kat was threatening to throw the rock at me and we needed it to not hit Local. I had figured that as long as Fool's really did have a useless role we would have enough hit points to guarantee a win. I also thought that Jon had a much better chance of proving his innocence. But in a game with worse wolves it would be a bad strategy as it left me boxed into a corner when it came to role claiming.

I don't recommend claiming Bell Ringer. I don't think anyone will fall for that again. Benzine got a lot of mileage out of that claim in one game and I can't see anyone forgetting it.

 

[dimmerwit]

I don't recommend claiming Bell Ringer. I don't think anyone will fall for that again. Benzine got a lot of mileage out of that claim in one game and I can't see anyone forgetting it.

Yeah, I found that out in my first game when I didn't get the joke

 

[Kat]

A LOT of things went against me. Vash being lynched instead of Tommy was the first. The wolves going after Kat instead of rk. And the wolves having a second Alpha Wolf in their back pocket.

The wolves did a good job of going after unpredictable targets. Occasionally it was obvious if they only had one good choice, but mostly it wasn't.

 

[Zell 17]

Wolves also killed the headhunter at the perfect time. If Vash had pushed Fools the next day I think he gets an easy win. Wolves would be tempted to vote a villager since they would be so close to a win and Fools would have had a very poor claim

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Wolves also killed the headhunter at the perfect time. If Vash had pushed Fools the next day I think he gets an easy win. Wolves would be tempted to vote a villager since they would be so close to a win and Fools would have had a very poor claim

 

[Benzine]

@Zell 17 thanks for hosting again and i'm in if there's another one

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Zell 17 thanks for hosting again and i'm in if there's another one

same

 

[shortkut]

@Zell 17 thanks for hosting again and i'm in if there's another one