You chose...poorly

[Kat]

Has there ever actually been a game where the Shadow and Alpha both existed? Don't recall ever seeing it in use, so would be neat if it finally was.

Maybe in an early game where an alpha wolf was still guaranteed to exist?

 

[Kat]

So is Benzine evil? Because he's certainly not a ritualist.

Ben is still claiming he's already started moving up another tree, even though that wouldn't be possible yet.

 

[TD]

Ben is still claiming he's already started moving up another tree, even though that wouldn't be possible yet.

From my understanding, couldn't he have moved to farmer night 0 and then put it in motion to move up a level last night?

 

[canadaguy]

From my understanding, couldn't he have moved to farmer night 0 and then put it in motion to move up a level last night?

This is true, but it goes back to something he was saying day 1. He said he downgraded off violinist and was therefore a farmer that day. However, he would still be violinist during day 1 and be converted that night.

So either he requested the change and is confused about the timing (which feels doubtful because Zell was very clear with me when I would change roles), or he's lying and also apparently confused with the timing. My thinking then says he has a role which is doesn't have access to changing jobs, and thus timings never came up between Zell and him.

 

[canadaguy]

Or maybe I'm just seeing a monster but all it is, is a coat rack in the shadow

 

[Kat]

From my understanding, couldn't he have moved to farmer night 0 and then put it in motion to move up a level last night?

I suppose his post could be interpreted that way.

 

[Kat]

Shouldn’t you be a role if you changed night 1? You should’ve moved to a power role now.

I’m a farmer because I only changed last night. I couldn’t use my power (reliably) on night 1 so I had to wait until I was confident in a person.

So Benzine is also confused about how role switching works?

 

[TD]

"And a member of the cult".

 

[canadaguy]

So Benzine is also confused about how role switching works?

And like I said, Zell was very clear with me that I would still spend the day as my current role and only change at the next night when I mentioned maybe changing

 

[Kat]

I wonder if Vash was really a wolf or not. The cult thing is cool.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

If there was a Trickster Wolf...why would they not use the power on me yesterday?

 

[Kat]

Not really, because
a) They can explode people
b) killing people is bad

I'm not sure this group agrees with statement b here.

 

[Kat]

If there was a Trickster Wolf...why would they not use the power on me yesterday?

Maybe they just switched to trickster today?

 

[Zell 17]

If there was a Trickster Wolf...why would they not use the power on me yesterday?

Yeah uh...about that.

OH HEY THERE @VashTheStampede

 

[TD]

Yeah, cult might be my new favourite mechanic after reading the role.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Yeah uh...about that.

OH HEY THERE @VashTheStampede

Well that explains that. Town will be enjoying the craziness of not knowing at this point lol

 

[canadaguy]

 

[TD]

Well that explains that. Town will be enjoying the craziness of not knowing at this point lol

Unless they've inexplicably been successfully convinced it's not a problem?



If Vash is not the real Trickster and they lynch the Cult Leader today, there's a scenario the wolves win before Day 3 playing out.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Uh hi guys

 

[canadaguy]

HI vash

 

[VashTheStampede]

For the record when i say "guys" it's always meant to be gender neutral

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Uh hi guys

Look at this liar who got Erics dead.

 

[Kat]

So they're suggesting Jon was told to protect Vash. But how? If Vash was converted the first night, then Jon wouldn't be cult in time to be told to protect him. If Vash wasn't cult the first night, then he couldn't be turned if he's protected. So what sense does it make?

Maybe Jon was told to claim he protected after the fact to cover up the conversion? Still seems weird, but it makes more sense than anything else I can come up with.

 

[Kat]

For the record when i say "guys" it's always meant to be gender neutral

I say "guys" all the time, no worries.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Look at this liar who got Erics dead.

This would be the first time people actually listen to me

 

[Zell 17]

Hello there people with penises (gender neutral)

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

FR Claims to have redirected an attack from Benzine, and now Christina is saying he was targeted himself? Wouldn't an SK not know if they were targeted?

 

[Kat]

FR Claims to have redirected an attack from Benzine, and now Christina is saying he was targeted himself? Wouldn't an SK not know if they were targeted?

A lot of what Christina is suggesting makes no sense.

 

[TD]

Here's a question for y'all to ponder:

How could someone be so sure it was a Cult Leader attack that was redirected from Benzine to Vash?

 

[Kat]

Now Ben is implying he hasn't changed at all. "Dropping down to doctor" and being able to prove his role suggests a jailing role. But kut also claimed that and there can be only one.

 

[Kat]

Here's a question for y'all to ponder:

How could someone be so sure it was a Cult Leader attack that was redirected from Benzine to Vash?

Because Vash didn't die.

 

[VashTheStampede]

there can be only one.

 

[TD]

Because Vash didn't die.

Sure, that's one possibility.

What else?

 

[Kat]

Oh he said he'd move to become doctor, not drop down. I guess because it's only one above a farmer.

 

[Kat]

Sure, that's one possibility.

What else?

Is there another possibility besides wolf attack that was blocked?

 

[Kat]

Flagger only redirects evil attacks, so it can't be a townie attack.

 

[Kat]

Oh how could they be sure? If they're the cult leader? Yeah that's possible.

 

[Kat]

But then what's going on with Jon's claim? Fool's and Jon coordinated that?

 

[TD]

Is there another possibility besides wolf attack that was blocked?

Let me phrase this differently.

Let's assume that it was a redirected Cult Leader attack from Benzine to Vash.

Aside from Vash not dying, how would you know it was a Cult Leader attack over a protected wolf attack? Who can be so sure?

 

[Kat]

I suppose the wolves would also all know.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Let me phrase this differently.

Let's assume that it was a redirected Cult Leader attack from Benzine to Vash.

Aside from Vash not dying, how would you know it was a Cult Leader attack over a protected wolf attack? Who can be so sure?

Wolves would know.

Also Jon being the cult leader could make sense as well, since he could claim he "protected" Vash when in reality he would just know that Vash wouldn't have been killed.

 

[Kat]

Is Ben claiming to currently be a priest??

 

[VashTheStampede]

Is Ben claiming to currently be a priest??

He did say yesterday that he was going to be

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Is Christina saying she thinks FR converted Vash directly and then announced in the thread that he did as such?

 

[Kat]

And nobody is going to call him on the fact that switching from violinist to priest can't be done in two days? Maybe the first day he could claim he was confused, but he'd know for sure what his role is today.

I find it hard to believe he doesn't understand the system. Is he actually the fool hoping to get caught in a lie?

 

[canadaguy]

He did say yesterday that he was going to be

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

So the only person identified in the Vash equation from yesterday who isn't a liar is me.

Go figure.

 

[canadaguy]

And nobody is going to call him on the fact that switching from violinist to priest can't be done in two days? Maybe the first day he could claim he was confused, but he'd know for sure what his role is today.

I find it hard to believe he doesn't understand the system. Is he actually the fool hoping to get caught in a lie?

Zell told me he would confirm in PM when they change. So if Ben isn't lying (which i dont see how at this point) he would have received a message overnight that he is now a farmer

 

[canadaguy]

DOES NO ONE IN THE TOWN KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO CHANGE

 

[canadaguy]

Does it seem that Benzine is also seeming to claim a role change happening too fast?

Are both Ben's the solos?