Zell Wolf Wolf: Day 2 (after the conclusion of night 2)

[Ben]

I pondered whether shortkut was full of shit after going to bed. The timing of the shadow dropping right after he posted became odd. There weren't that many other people online.

They 100% have a nightmare wolf though so I was baited by that catharsis of trying to get revenge.

I mean it's a weird gambit. If he claims he's dead after this day and doesn't die... Then what? We obviously know the story was a lie and he dies anyway. If the tough guy claim wasn't a lie, he dies anyway.

It's really between whether I trust the illiterate pharmacist or the horny librarian...

 

[Fool's Requiem]

So what are the chances that quagmire isn't illusionist?

the same exact chances as the Ritualist actually getting the opening kill guess correctly in order to revive them.

It's possible as Vash can testify, but extremely slim.

 

[Local Hero]

the same exact chances as the Ritualist actually getting the opening kill guess correctly in order to revive them.

It's possible as Vash can testify, but extremely slim.

There is not a ritualist

 

[shortkut]

I pondered whether shortkut was full of shit after going to bed. The timing of the shadow dropping right after he posted became odd. There weren't that many other people online.

They 100% have a nightmare wolf though so I was baited by that catharsis of trying to get revenge.

I mean it's a weird gambit. If he claims he's dead after this day and doesn't die... Then what? We obviously know the story was a lie and he dies anyway. If the tough guy claim wasn't a lie, he dies anyway.

It's really between whether I trust the illiterate pharmacist or the horny librarian...

This is exactly why tough guy is a stupid role claim if I’m claiming to have been attacked.

If I don’t drop dead at the end of the day, then I am killed tomorrow the latest. I’m not claiming tough guy with my ability intact, I’m claiming it and stating I’m about to die. Makes no sense to lie

@canadaguy @Local Hero @Zell 17

 

[Local Hero]

This is exactly why tough guy is a stupid role claim if I’m claiming to have been attacked.

If I don’t drop dead at the end of the day, then I am killed tomorrow the latest. I’m not claiming tough guy with my ability intact, I’m claiming it and stating I’m about to die. Makes no sense to lie

@canadaguy @Local Hero @Zell 17

This has convinced me. Voting for ants in the pants

 

[A Maybe Baker]

So what are the chances that quagmire isn't illusionist?

Illusionist tags quagmire randomly, quagmire gets lynched coincidentally
Wolves target real illusionist so no wolf kill

Or

Been identified quagmire as different team because he's illusionist
Wolves targeted poor local (or someone else) and protection was successful

Are these the only options?

Illusionist tags show up as the illusionist to all seers, so Ben would have seen a fake illusionist as a different team than everyone but a real illusionist.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Just so everyone is clear on that timing.

Also if Ants survives the day and shortkut ends up dead I hope our flagger goes for the No U badge

 

[Ants!]

As it stands, I currently trust kut's info more than I dont. If kut is telling the truth, he'll die anyway, so we NEED to get this right. I think the odds of him being full of shit are pretty slim. kut doesn't read, and I can't see him going through the role list to make a bullshit role claim and actually claim it correctly.

My vote stays on Ants until someone can provide viable information to the contrary.

And if he's lying he dies tomorrow when my role is 100% confirmed (can I get a rez after please lol).

So what are the chances that quagmire isn't illusionist?

Illusionist tags quagmire randomly, quagmire gets lynched coincidentally
Wolves target real illusionist so no wolf kill

Or

Been identified quagmire as different team because he's illusionist
Wolves targeted poor local (or someone else) and protection was successful

Are these the only options?

I assumed when you said Quagmire is illusionist that he admitted it in death. Are you saying he didn't admit to it and the illusionist can still be here?

This is exactly why tough guy is a stupid role claim if I’m claiming to have been attacked.

If I don’t drop dead at the end of the day, then I am killed tomorrow the latest. I’m not claiming tough guy with my ability intact, I’m claiming it and stating I’m about to die. Makes no sense to lie

@canadaguy @Local Hero @Zell 17

If I die today then you're hung tomorrow anyway so I'm sure nothing matters beyond living one more day.

 

[Local Hero]

I assumed when you said Quagmire is illusionist that he admitted it in death. Are you saying he didn't admit to it and the illusionist can still be here?

I asked him if he preferred booties or boobies and he never even responded.

Granted he wasn't tagged until like an hour before the night ended lol

 

[A Maybe Baker]

then you're hung tomorrow

Something something eggplant joke

 

[shortkut]

If I die today then you're hung tomorrow anyway so I'm sure nothing matters beyond living one more day.

I’m well hung every day

 

[Fool's Requiem]

There is not a ritualist

explain vash being alive

 

[A Maybe Baker]

explain vash being alive

There's a medium.

 

[Ants!]

This has convinced me. Voting for ants in the pants

Smells of desperation to me. If he knows he only has one more day at most then why not make a bolder claim like that.

 

[shortkut]

explain vash being alive

 

[shortkut]

Smells of desperation to me. If he knows he only has one more day at most then why not make a bolder claim like that.

If I’m lying then I had more than one day left before I opened my mouth

If I truly am the tough guy, I want the town to win so why would I lie?

 

[Zell 17]

This is exactly why tough guy is a stupid role claim if I’m claiming to have been attacked.

If I don’t drop dead at the end of the day, then I am killed tomorrow the latest. I’m not claiming tough guy with my ability intact, I’m claiming it and stating I’m about to die. Makes no sense to lie

@canadaguy @Local Hero @Zell 17

Yeah I agree I think Ants is a no-brainer vote here.

@VashTheStampede would you mind confirming the medium please just in case you get killed and multiple people decide to fight for it

 

[Fool's Requiem]

fine, there's a medium.

point is, the odds of Quagmire not being the Illusionist is still suuuuper slim

 

[Ants!]

If I’m lying then I had more than one day left before I opened my mouth

If I truly am the tough guy, I want the town to win so why would I lie?

If you are the real illusionist and were attacked last night, then you would be scared of the wolves possibly trying to bandwagon you since they can't kill you otherwise.

 

[Local Hero]

Smells of desperation to me. If he knows he only has one more day at most then why not make a bolder claim like that.

To be fair, it doesn't seem desperate to me if he claimed tough guy on first page day one then claimed successful tough guy protection (no other protection came forward so far), named a wolf, and clarified he'll die today, which means if he's lying he's 100% outed himself as a wolf to kill a townie.

A kill that the other wolves activated shadow for because they were nervous that a townie was being targeted.

Yeah that's desperate.

 

[Ants!]

fine, there's a medium.

point is, the odds of Quagmire not being the Illusionist is still suuuuper slim

Quagmire also made a bold claim to lie about.

 

[Local Hero]

For the record

Post in thread 'Wolf: Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/wolf-day-1.3213/post-224826

 

[A Maybe Baker]

fine, there's a medium.

point is, the odds of Quagmire not being the Illusionist is still suuuuper slim

It's not 0, but yes it's slim.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yeah I agree I think Ants is a no-brainer vote here.

@VashTheStampede would you mind confirming the medium please just in case you get killed and multiple people decide to fight for it

It is the Diet Protagonist

 

[Local Hero]

Vote ants

 

[Zell 17]

Town think about this. Which story makes more sense:

A) Wolves decide not to kill anyone (nobody else has claimed a save), and make up a story about a tough guy. They get an auxiliary seer (Ants) lynched, at the cost of one of their own (shortkut). So they would give up a night kill AND a wolf to kill a secondary seer (Ben being primary)

OR

B) shortkut is real, and protected Ben as discussed yesterday. That’s why there was no wolf kill. shortkut also announced that the lowest ranking wolf was a nightmare wolf, which Ben LATER CONFIRMED.

I think it’s option B by a mile.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Quagmire also made a bold claim to lie about.

exactly.

Quagmire was either Illusionist or a Wolf.

 

[Ants!]

Town think about this. Which story makes more sense:

A) Wolves decide not to kill anyone (nobody else has claimed a save), and make up a story about a tough guy. They get an auxiliary seer (Ants) lynched, at the cost of one of their own (shortkut). So they would give up a night kill AND a wolf to kill a secondary seer (Ben being primary)

OR

B) shortkut is real, and protected Ben as discussed yesterday. That’s why there was no wolf kill. shortkut also announced that the lowest ranking wolf was a nightmare wolf, which Ben LATER CONFIRMED.

I think it’s option B by a mile.

I agree it would be stupid for the wolves to decide not to kill anyone. I never claimed that's what happened. I think they attacked the illusionist. Either that or there is a protection role that hasn't come forward yet.

 

[shortkut]

If you are the real illusionist and were attacked last night, then you would be scared of the wolves possibly trying to bandwagon you since they can't kill you otherwise.

If I was the SK I would not be informed the wolves attacked me and failed.

 

[Ants!]

exactly.

Quagmire was either Illusionist or a Wolf.

I mean that in the same sense that people are using it for shortcut. They both claimed a provable role. Why is it dumb for one to lie about it but not the other?

 

[shortkut]

shortkut is real, and protected Ben as discussed yesterday. That’s why there was no wolf kill. shortkut also announced that the lowest ranking wolf was a nightmare wolf, which Ben LATER CONFIRMED

I didn’t protect Ben because I wasn’t convinced in his innocence

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Town think about this. Which story makes more sense:

A) Wolves decide not to kill anyone (nobody else has claimed a save), and make up a story about a tough guy. They get an auxiliary seer (Ants) lynched, at the cost of one of their own (shortkut). So they would give up a night kill AND a wolf to kill a secondary seer (Ben being primary)

OR

B) shortkut is real, and protected Ben as discussed yesterday. That’s why there was no wolf kill. shortkut also announced that the lowest ranking wolf was a nightmare wolf, which Ben LATER CONFIRMED.

I think it’s option B by a mile.

Option C: ants and shortkut are back to their old ways where they only care about the other one being killed off first.

 

[Ants!]

Option C: ants and shortkut are back to their old ways where they only care about the other one being killed off first.

It does give me wood that if he succeeds in getting me lynched today then he's done for in tomorrow's vote anyway.

 

[Christina]

I'm confused..shortkut was given the nightmare wolf ID as the lowest ranked wolf, but we have a shadow cast on us, thus a shadow wolf, who is a lower rank right?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I didn’t protect Ben because I wasn’t convinced in his innocence

No one is following any plans so we're all good.

Everyone just wing it, the town seems to do well in those circumstances.

 

[Ants!]

I'm confused..shortkut was given the nightmare wolf ID as the lowest ranked wolf, but we have a shadow cast on us, thus a shadow wolf, who is a lower rank right?

BINGO

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I'm confused..shortkut was given the nightmare wolf ID as the lowest ranked wolf, but we have a shadow cast on us, thus a shadow wolf, who is a lower rank right?

Nightmare is lower rank than shadow

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm confused..shortkut was given the nightmare wolf ID as the lowest ranked wolf, but we have a shadow cast on us, thus a shadow wolf, who is a lower rank right?

oh

 

[Christina]

Nightmare is 5th on the list. That would mean all the other wolves are berserk, shaman, wearwolf, and wolf avenger.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Nightmare is lower rank than shadow

Nightmare is 5. Shadow is 10.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Lower number is lower rank. Nightmare is 5 and shadow is 10.

Check out where alpha is if you want to test this theory

 

[canadaguy]

Tough guy dies at the very end of the day correct?

 

[Christina]

Lower number is lower rank. Nightmare is 5 and shadow is 10.

Check out where alpha is if you want to test this theory

Well I hate that

 

[Jon]

I started reading this, got to the end of page one and saw there's THREE PAGES already?

I'm not reading pages 2 and 3 so someone (@shortkut) give me the cliffs notes.

Here's what I DID read:

@Ants! is the nightmare wolf and the lowest ranking wolf and I am the reason why there was no wolf kill last night

This explains why it felt weird he "cleared me"

Or the wolves figured out who he was early and wanted him gone

Why would they want to take out the solo early? Seems silly when the solo is more likely to kill off some town.

Can everyone tag the people they think are gonna be the most useless people to vote after 5 hours have passed and encourage everyone to skip so that when i wake up i can quickly get through the night and so forth

Not my fault you gave me a useless role that I don't HAVE to pay attention. That and it opened after I went to bed and you guys made 3 pages before I woke up...

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Tough guy dies at the very end of the day correct?

So if Kut is telling the truth we can witness him and ants ride off into the sunset together.

 

[canadaguy]

There is not a ritualist

Jawneh has broken some people's brains haha

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Ok, Alu is right

"Higher ranked wolves (higher number below) will win tie votes."

Vote stays on Ants.

 

[Ants!]

Lower number is lower rank. Nightmare is 5 and shadow is 10.

Check out where alpha is if you want to test this theory

Looks like you're right. Also, a plain regular werewolf is ranked 2nd. Seems dumb.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Well I hate that

This has bothered me literally every time I've been a wolf and actually looked at it

 

[shortkut]

Lower number is lower rank. Nightmare is 5 and shadow is 10.

Check out where alpha is if you want to test this theory

Tough guy dies at the very end of the day correct?

Yes. I assume after the vote