Zell Wolf Wolf: Day 1

[Local Hero]

 

[shortkut]

 

[Fool's Requiem]

did people forget that Nightmare wolf is a possibility and that wolves can take advantage of that possibility by claiming a "provable role" and then being like "oops I got nightmare'd"? (wolves can also actually Nightmare him and be like "Look, he's totally lying" though).

@Banana did it, and it worked pretty well...

and again... Marksman is one of the worst roles to claim to have on day one ESPECIALLY when there's been no Marksman kill attempt. Marksmen get two shots, and both are at night. They become an easy target for Berserk and Nightmare wolves. Yes, Marksman is a "provable role" but they become an easy target when claimed. Also, if wolves don't have a Nightmare or Berserk wolf and someone claims Marksman, they can just try to goad them into taking an errend shot on a townie and let the Marksman kill themselves for them (unless they hit the SK, of course).

I'm perfectly fine with not lynching him, but claiming Marksman day one is suuuuuuper sus.

And so is Zell who rushed out to IMMEDIATELY claim a weak and non-provable role... which was his M.O. in both wolf games I played with him.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

spoiling meta knowledge I've collected is probably not going to be beneficial to me in the future, but it's 4 in the morning. ain't no one smart at 4 in the morning.

 

[Benzine]

if you can get me to 4am, i'm incredible

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[Quagmire]

Who do you have marked?

Clocks because it looks like cock

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[Quagmire]

I don't have the best memory of how others play, but I feel like Zell is only this aggressive out of the gate when he's a wolf

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Man a lot happened since I went to bed last night.

Doesn't look like anyone is dying at the moment, so I suppose that is a plus...? I'll reevaluate after coffee and hopefully not more strollers.

 

[Local Hero]

Clocks because it looks like cock

Are you saying you're going to shoot me tonight?

I am a strong role, I would advise against it.

 

[Christina]

Man a lot happened since I went to bed last night.

Doesn't look like anyone is dying at the moment, so I suppose that is a plus...? I'll reevaluate after coffee and hopefully not more strollers.

We had a simple stroller that I loved. It had a pull thing in the middle of the seat that caused it to fold in half. You could do it one handed which was great and just put the thing in your trunk. It did come with a baby car seat that attached in it. If the baby had fell asleep while pushing around, you could lift them out in the car seat and put them in the car and just one hand fold up the stroller part. It was fine for walking, so if you want to use it for jogging or running with the kid, would not work for that. Past that I often just carried the babies around in a sling on me. Pur kids were very attached and liked to be held a lot.

Back to business. Why are we not trying to figure out the triangle of doom? Ben, Quagmire, dimmerwit? Why pivot to something totally different. Sounds like there is a 1 in 3 chance one of them is a bad guy.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Are you saying you're going to shoot me tonight?

I am a strong role, I would advise against it.

if he is marksman and you are a townie and shoots you he dies, not you.

Marksman is like a Priest with two shots and they can only attack at night.

On that point, IF Quagmire is a Marksman, we probably shouldn't tell him to take a random shot with no information...

 

[Christina]

if he is marksman and you are a townie and shoots you he dies, not you.

Marksman is like a Priest with two shots and they can only attack at night.

On that point, IF Quagmire is a Marksman, we probably shouldn't tell him to take a random shot with no information...

He also has to aim the shot. Zell is asking him to just shoot whoever he randomly night 0. What happens is the wolves block him from doing anything. Do we believe him or just kill him for fun's anyways?

 

[Local Hero]

We had a simple stroller that I loved. It had a pull thing in the middle of the seat that caused it to fold in half. You could do it one handed which was great and just put the thing in your trunk. It did come with a baby car seat that attached in it. If the baby had fell asleep while pushing around, you could lift them out in the car seat and put them in the car and just one hand fold up the stroller part. It was fine for walking, so if you want to use it for jogging or running with the kid, would not work for that. Past that I often just carried the babies around in a sling on me. Pur kids were very attached and liked to be held a lot.

Back to business. Why are we not trying to figure out the triangle of doom? Ben, Quagmire, dimmerwit? Why pivot to something totally different. Sounds like there is a 1 in 3 chance one of them is a bad guy.

We had an "all train" stroller. Or maybe it was called a jogging stroller.

It has 3 big wheels. You could jog with it, which didn't do to often but every once in a whole you need to move with gusto, so is nice for those moments. Also super helpful any time you needed to go into grass, or cross a stretch that was slightly muddy. Normal strollers aren't quite built for those conditions.

Anyways, big 3 wheel stroller recommended

 

[A Maybe Baker]

@Ben can you get on making a @Christina and the Triangle of Doom movie poster? Sounds very Indiana Jones there.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Also we already have a car seat, so we're looking at strollers with bassinet attachments at the moment. While walking around might be done more so with slings and stuff (at first) the bassinet will come in handy when we visit people to have a nice and easy bed available. Also I go on random walks during the day sometimes and it might be nice to have that as an option.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

He also has to aim the shot. Zell is asking him to just shoot whoever he randomly night 0. What happens is the wolves block him from doing anything. Do we believe him or just kill him for fun's anyways?

this is part of why claiming Marksman on day 1 is sus. If you're actually marksman, you want to keep it under wraps so that the wolves don't know who to Nightmare/Berserk.

 

[shortkut]

Also we already have a car seat, so we're looking at strollers with bassinet attachments at the moment. While walking around might be done more so with slings and stuff (at first) the bassinet will come in handy when we visit people to have a nice and easy bed available. Also I go on random walks during the day sometimes and it might be nice to have that as an option.

https://a.co/d/41aVoHY

This was what we got for my youngest. It was pretty cheap too like 75 or $80 so it was very convenient lightweight folded easily and the bassinet was built in so there’s no additional part to take with us when we traveled places. It doesn’t look like they still sell it, but maybe they have that same thing under a different name or another brand make something like that

 

[Ben]

errend

Errant.

"all train"

All-terrain.

Anyway, after having a horrible night's sleep, I'm back to voting Quagmire. Gut says not to let Mr. Wolf Strategy Zebra drive the bus, and between Quagmire/dimmerwit, I've got to give preferential treatment to the Brit.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Errant.

All-terrain.

Anyway, after having a horrible night's sleep, I'm back to voting Quagmire. Gut says not to let Mr. Wolf Strategy Zebra drive the bus, and between Quagmire/dimmerwit, I've got to give preferential treatment to the Brit.

Make movie poster please or it says you're a wolf or something something.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

https://a.co/d/41aVoHY

This was what we got for my youngest. It was pretty cheap too like 75 or $80 so it was very convenient lightweight folded easily and the bassinet was built in so there’s no additional part to take with us when we traveled places. It doesn’t look like they still sell it, but maybe they have that same thing under a different name or another brand make something like that

Hm, interesting. So much stroller on the brain.

 

[Ants!]

Also, earlier I tried to find a GIF of Maggie from The Simpsons in a stroller, but apparently none exists.

 

[Zell 17]

Are you saying you're going to shoot me tonight?

I am a strong role, I would advise against it.

I just want to clarify that you are claiming to be the LAST strong villager, correct? Vash, Ben, and you. That’s it. So if nobody counterclaims this then we can confirm everyone on that list as a goodie and we can vote somebody else with a trash claim.

I still think we ignore Quagmire/dimmerwit for now and push more passengers. Hey Christina what have you been up to

 

[Local Hero]

all train

 

[A Maybe Baker]

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I just want to clarify that you are claiming to be the LAST strong villager, correct? Vash, Ben, and you. That’s it. So if nobody counterclaims this then we can confirm everyone on that list as a goodie and we can vote somebody else with a trash claim.

I still think we ignore Quagmire/dimmerwit for now and push more passengers. Hey Christina what have you been up to

Christina is claiming the solo voter role.

 

[Christina]

I just want to clarify that you are claiming to be the LAST strong villager, correct? Vash, Ben, and you. That’s it. So if nobody counterclaims this then we can confirm everyone on that list as a goodie and we can vote somebody else with a trash claim.

I still think we ignore Quagmire/dimmerwit for now and push more passengers. Hey Christina what have you been up to

I'm keeping a close eye on Fools.

 

[Zell 17]

Back to business. Why are we not trying to figure out the triangle of doom? Ben, Quagmire, dimmerwit? Why pivot to something totally different. Sounds like there is a 1 in 3 chance one of them is a bad guy.

Here’s why. All three have claims of being a powerful village ally. A mislynch of a Detective, Flagger, OR Marksman would be a serious error. The risk is much higher than the reward, especially because with such powerful roles the answers are going to reveal themselves within a night or two (the marksman will kill someone/themselves, the flagger will redirect an attack, or the detective will get killed because the wolves are tired of the information generated).

 

[canadaguy]

Also, earlier I tried to find a GIF of Maggie from The Simpsons in a stroller, but apparently none exists.

 

[Zell 17]

Tentative info:

RSV claims: Local, Ben, Vash
RRV claims: FR/Jon (good by Ants), Ants, Quagmire (marksman on Local), dimmerwit (Flagger). Zell (sheriff).

Solo voter??? Christina?

Remaining:
Canadaguy, Jawneh, Alu, Kat, Tommy, shortkut

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Tentative info:

RSV claims: Local, Ben, Vash
RRV claims: FR/Jon (good by Ants), Ants, Quagmire (marksman on Local), dimmerwit (Flagger). Zell (sheriff).

Solo voter??? Christina?

Remaining:
Canadaguy, Jawneh, Alu, Kat, Tommy, shortkut

Am I not being obvious enough with my "I don't have anything today but will tomorrow" statement I've made multiple times? Surely you know what role needs to wait until day 2 for that.

 

[Christina]

Here’s why. All three have claims of being a powerful village ally. A mislynch of a Detective, Flagger, OR Marksman would be a serious error. The risk is much higher than the reward, especially because with such powerful roles the answers are going to reveal themselves within a night or two (the marksman will kill someone/themselves, the flagger will redirect an attack, or the detective will get killed because the wolves are tired of the information generated).

I don't know if I buy that Flagger and Marksman as powerful rolls. They have a lot of upside but are difficult to aim. Both require predicting the wolves which of course is harder to do in the early game with the number of innocents so great. The flagger job gets easier but the Marksman still has to predict it's kill a night in advance. They are 2 rolls that are super easy for a wolf to hide behind and have lots of excuses as to why they are not doing anything. Detective is going to be a roll claim a bad is going to get exposed eventually. Especially if there is another seer roll in the game. I'm inclined to believe the odds are Ben is not coming out if the gate to live that life, leaving us with a 50/50 chance of getting a bad guy from the other 2.

Quagmire has hinted that he's pointed at Local who is claiming the last strong roll, so if nobody is stepping up to dispute that, it would be dumb for him to go ahead and shoot him just to prove he's innocent. Thus if he is a bad guy, he has bought himself another day. He did say he was targeting Local before Local claimed a strong roll. But Local was somebody you were already pushing for. So if you are a wolf trying to save your wolf bro, this could have been a more coordinated effort to kill Local and give Quagmire an excuse to be doing nothing for a couple of more days.

 

[Zell 17]

Am I not being obvious enough with my "I don't have anything today but will tomorrow" statement I've made multiple times? Surely you know what role needs to wait until day 2 for that.

Obviously not…anyways that’s part of the problem with hoping someone will catch hints, there’s way too many damn pages .

Put Alu in the RRV category

 

[Zell 17]

I don't know if I buy that Flagger and Marksman as powerful rolls. They have a lot of upside but are difficult to aim. Both require predicting the wolves which of course is harder to do in the early game with the number of innocents so great. The flagger job gets easier but the Marksman still has to predict it's kill a night in advance. They are 2 rolls that are super easy for a wolf to hide behind and have lots of excuses as to why they are not doing anything. Detective is going to be a roll claim a bad is going to get exposed eventually. Especially if there is another seer roll in the game. I'm inclined to believe the odds are Ben is not coming out if the gate to live that life, leaving us with a 50/50 chance of getting a bad guy from the other 2.

Quagmire has hinted that he's pointed at Local who is claiming the last strong roll, so if nobody is stepping up to dispute that, it would be dumb for him to go ahead and shoot him just to prove he's innocent. Thus if he is a bad guy, he has bought himself another day. He did say he was targeting Local before Local claimed a strong roll. But Local was somebody you were already pushing for. So if you are a wolf trying to save your wolf bro, this could have been a more coordinated effort to kill Local and give Quagmire an excuse to be doing nothing for a couple of more days.

I agree Quagmire shouldn’t shoot Local unless someone disputes Local’s claim. I think Quagmire should shoot you

 

[Christina]

I agree Quagmire shouldn’t shoot Local unless someone disputes Local’s claim. I think Quagmire should shoot you

I think we should just kill Fools and be done with it.

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Local Hero]

 

[shortkut]

Tentative info:

RSV claims: Local, Ben, Vash
RRV claims: FR/Jon (good by Ants), Ants, Quagmire (marksman on Local), dimmerwit (Flagger). Zell (sheriff).

Solo voter??? Christina?

Remaining:
Canadaguy, Jawneh, Alu, Kat, Tommy, shortkut

Reread my posts. You should know what I’m claiming

 

[Ants!]

I guess this means that we likely don't have a talk-with-the-dead/revival role?

 

[shortkut]

 

[Zell 17]

Reread my posts.

 

[Zell 17]

Looks like Alu and shortkut as claiming the same thing, good thing we have 100 seers definitely no way this could go wrong.

Canadaguy, Jawneh, Kat, Tommy.

Vote Jawneh cause he’ll never go out of character?

 

[Christina]

Fools claimed headhunter, so we should probably kill him.

 

[Ben]

Make movie poster please or it says you're a wolf or something something.

Best you're going to get from my phone while shirking work.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Looks like Alu and shortkut as claiming the same thing, good thing we have 100 seers definitely no way this could go wrong.

Canadaguy, Jawneh, Kat, Tommy.

Vote Jawneh cause he’ll never go out of character?

All the seers should vote for the non-seers so we can have a "Whoops! All seers!" game.

 

[shortkut]

Looks like Alu and shortkut as claiming the same thing, good thing we have 100 seers definitely no way this could go wrong.

Canadaguy, Jawneh, Kat, Tommy.

Vote Jawneh cause he’ll never go out of character?

What did Alu claim? I’m not reading his posts unless it is for stroller advice

 

[dimmerwit]

Couldn't kut be Sheriff too? I don't understand any of his hints as usual.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

What did Alu claim? I’m not reading his posts unless it is for stroller advice

If Zell is saying we're making the same claim shouldn't you know what you're claiming?

 

[Ants!]

Where do babies come from halp I still don't know!!