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Zell Wolf Wolf 21 - Day 3

Who should the villagers lynch? (3 votes required)


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Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/

Here's the list of players:

@A Slightly New Used Server
@Ben
@Benzine
@canadaguy
@Christina
@dimmerwit
@Fool's Requiem

@Jawneh
@Kat
@Local Hero
@Quagmire
@shortkut
@Tommy Boy
@VashTheStampede


And here are the roles:

Village team:
1x Aura Seer / Spirit Seer
3x Random Strong Villagers
5x Random Regular Villagers

Note: There will be NO MORE than one person who has a "speak with the dead" role. There will also be no more than one person with a "lock players up at night" role. There may be none of either, but there won't be multiple.

Wolf team:
1x Wolf Seer
3x Random Wolves

The werewolves can be any of the numbered wolves (except regular werewolf) listed in the dictionary.

Solo team:
1x Random Killer

Wildcard Role:
1x Random Fool/Headhunter/Werewolf Fan/Cupid

If the Werewolf Fan is selected, one wolf will become the Sorcerer.

Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 24 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted.

You may edit your posts for clarity. If you edit out an action (like shooting someone) and you get caught I'm killing you.

Votes will be conducted via poll. The poll will close exactly at the deadline. You have unlimited changes until that point. If this sucks we'll go back, even if it's mid-game (not mid-day).

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Skips require a skip vote from every player. They'll be posted in the forum as usual. Once you vote to skip, you cannot unskip.

Night events will go in the following priority order regardless of when the PMs are sent to me:

Wolf Nightmare activates
Beast Hunter picks up trap (if moved)
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Warden weapon used
Wolf seer/Sorcerer check
Wolf seer/Sorcerer choice to resign
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Jailer/Warden protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check + gets results
Detective check + gets results
Aura Seer checks + gets results
Spirit Seer check
Sheriff check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer gets results
Sheriff gets results
Beast Hunter places trap
Cupid selection

In the event that two of the same role perform the exact same action, they will both be credited.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The player may have access to this forum at night. If you are revived, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

Wildcard Role: Satisfy your winning condition. Your winning condition trumps any other that may occur at the same time. (For example, if you lynch the fool and it creates a situation where there are 3 wolves left and 3 villagers, the Fool wins only).
 
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Alu visited a killer and was murdered. Alu was the Red Lady.

The arsonist burned!
canadaguy was killed in the fire. canadaguy was the Bodyguard.
Christina was killed in the fire. Christina was the Ritualist.
The Alpha Wolf has been attacked and is now vulnerable to death.

@Ben
@Jawneh
@Kat
@Local Hero
@Quagmire
@shortkut
@Tommy Boy
@VashTheStampede
 
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So not dismissing claims or anything, but dimmerwit said he was a seer apprentice and that ended up being a silly lil fib. So that's one fake seer down. In a game where we have one guaranteed seer, a small specific tweak Zell made, I find it unusual although fitting that we have a bunch of seers.

Time to do the thing. What is everyone and what have you been doing? If you ignore the question you are automatically suspicious. Blatantly lying is better than abstaining. So here's the pressure - if you haven't revealed, now is the time. The arsonist is not going to broker peace with the village no matter what way this goes.
 

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I didn't get to check anyone last night because of the Bully, so no new info.

And the Bully will know that they stoned me and therefore I cannot be the arsonist, because I wouldn't be able to ignite anyone (having no night action.)

Local is the only person I fully trust at this point.

If Vash is on the level, then we should be voting Jawneh.
 

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I smoked for the first time in a few days despite having strep, and my mind ran off with this, so rambling ADHD (A Damn High Detective) post incoming. I don't think I care if this makes me look suspicious, because as I explain I expect to die tonight anyway.

Hey @Jawneh... Let's make a deal.

If you tell us who the Alpha wolf is, as you now know, I will argue that it makes more sense for the village to kill them today than the Arsonist (you). I can't promise you don't die later, but you'd get to keep posting on this side of the veil, at least.

Because you're not a threat of killing again until Night 5, potentially Night 6. You'd of course have to douse 2 people again tonight (Night 4) and couldn't ignite until the following night phase (Night 5), but if our Bully can hit you with a rock during the day today (Day 3) or tomorrow (Day 4), that'd stop you from using one of your steps. So that's 2 day phases where you can't do squat but enjoy the taste of clemency and continued breath.

We get rid of the Alpha out of the deal, which leaves only 2 wolves left. And I would argue that it makes absolutely no sense for me (if I were one of those two remaining wolves) to stop the Arsonist from dying and push for the Alpha to be revealed, when the village currently has 0 idea who that could be. If I were a wolf, I'd want the Arsonist dead.

However, I'd also think it's irrelevant since I'm admitting I'm the Detective to the actual wolves and putting a big target on my back. I almost wonder if cg protected me last night, as I didn't expect to live until morning at all. So that being said I still expect to die tonight (Night 4), which is just going to prove my role tomorrow, at which point you have your confirmation that Jawneh is in fact the Arsonist. Although... If he gives up the Alpha, that also kind of proves it.

I have a hunch that it was probably Tommy who concussed me yesterday, so I'm thinking you're a villager, although I could be wrong. I know Local is 100% a villager, though not what. My gut also tells me to trust Vash this game, so I'm assuming you're legit in your claim about the Spirit Seer.

Therefore I would deduce that the three remaining wolves are Kat, Quagmire and shortkut.

It's currently 4-3-1 (Day 3). One remaining wolf is the Alpha who would die today if Jawneh gives them up, making it 4-2-1 tonight (Night 4). Jawneh can't kill, so if the Wolves kill me it's 3-2-1 tomorrow (Day 4). Vash gets to compare two people tonight (Night 4) and could arguably check me vs. Kat/Quagmire/shortkut/, which I expect will return red, but even if it didn't I'll be dead, so you've just got a 100% confirmation on whether whoever else you check killed or not... You kill them tomorrow (Day 4) that's 3-1-1 tomorrow night (Night 5). Assuming Jawneh is stoned by the Bully, he still can't burn anyone so with the wolf kill that's 2-1-1 going into the next day (Day 6).... Kill the remaining wolf and stone Jawneh again, and the village should win with 2 people left alive...

If we DO kill Jawneh today then that's 4-3 going into tonight (Night 4), and the one wolf kill makes it 3-3 meaning we lose. That's the only reason I'm taking the chance with this word salad.

I think the crux of it is my assumption that it's Tommy who's the Bully. Because if not then those names shuffle about a bit. The only way to fix that assumption is if the real Bully who hit me with a rock speaks up, and anyone who fake claims Bully gives the real Bully another target.

Or if the Wolves don't kill me tonight (Night 4) to try to keep my role in doubt and cast blame, but then I just get to compare one of them against Local and will divulge it tomorrow during the day. So it might be pertinent for them to eat this Dick.
 

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Hmm. Ben is right actually, if we kill the arsonist then the wolves likely win tonight. That play doesn't make sense as a wolf, so he must be arsonist or a townie, right?

But then Alu couldn't have visited Ben if he's a townie. Did he really give no hint? I wonder if Christina had her revive on him or somebody else.
 
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Shortkut, homina homina
I hinted at my role a few times. I spoke about love in one of my first posts day one and I’ve referenced Jon a few times in relation to my role. @Jon should be able to figure it out. I just want to be a better Jon than Jon was
 
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I hinted at my role a few times. I spoke about love in one of my first posts day one and I’ve referenced Jon a few times in relation to my role. @Jon should be able to figure it out. I just want to be a better Jon than Jon was
So, if you're the Flower Child, we should be able to vote to kill you and you just save yourself, right? Therefore confirming your role to everyone and taking all suspicion off of you.

Voting shortkut
 
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So, if you're the Flower Child, we should be able to vote to kill you and you just save yourself, right? Therefore confirming your role to everyone and taking all suspicion off of you.

Voting shortkut
Go for it. All it does is give the wolves one more night to kill and the arsonist one night to douse more people
 

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Actually trying to think that through further... If so and you do save yourself from death, then that'd still be 4-3-1 going into tonight and yeah we're at a 3-3-1... That's not an immediate loss, but I don't like it. It WOULD guarantee that we need to keep Jawneh alive so that they don't outnumber us and win though, which is fun.

EDIT: Oh shit, Kat's right. I wasn't thinking about Guardian Wolf.
 

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Either way, Ben is being really sketchy. I am leaning toward him being the arsonist and lying about the bully
Maybe. He's already claiming a strong role for himself though. Making up an additional strong role would be risky AF. Maybe they killed a strong townie to cover his role claim, but whoever has the last strong role would immediately know he's lying about being rocked. So unless somebody comes forward contradicting him (or somebody seems possibly muted?), I think we should believe him and assume the bully doesn't want to be killed.

If it's true he was stoned, then he cannot be arsonist, as he says.

Jawneh, want to give us the alpha wolf out of the goodness of your heart?
 
@Tommy Boy sorry I can't remember at all, what are you?
@Ben detective unconfirmed
@shortkut flower child unconfirmed
@Kat ???
@Fool's Requiem ??? (Nevermind you're dead lol. And legit a ??? thanks dimmerwit)
@Quagmire ???
@VashTheStampede (some type of seer?)
@Jawneh ???

Alu Red Lady confirmed
Christina ritualist confirmed
CG bodyguard confirmed
Dimmerwit confusion wolf confirmed
Benzine headhunter confirmed

(@Zell 17 Fool's name is struck through in the planning post, is he dead?)
 

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I would still prefer for @Jawneh to come forward and share who the Alpha was, in exchange for our acknowledging he needs to stay alive until the end to ensure the wolves don't win. Full game longevity, for just 1 name.

But I will at least compare shortkut to Local tonight, so I can discern whether he's Flower Child or Guardian Wolf and report back tomorrow. Though that's just more incentive for them to kill me so that I can't.

I think I stress that I expect to/should die to enable the other few moves that can guarantee information in that case. Like Vash comparing a proven innocent against someone else.

I don't think I have to worry about them having a Trickster Wolf who could "make me show up as them" when I die, because that doesn't work for the wolf kill. Only if their selected target dies from something other than the wolf attack.

EDIT: Or... 2 Confusion wolves..?
 

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