Zell Wolf Wolf 21 - Day 3

[shortkut]

Why are you so intent on having a killing role out themselves?

I’m not. I think local or someone else was calling for it earlier. I just pointed out that it was requested to verify Ben’s claim and no one said anything. Ideally I’d like to lynch Jawneh and hit Ben with another rock. No reason to kill him if he really was hit with a rock… I just doubt we have a bully

 

[Local Hero]

I think Alu visited Tommy the night before last, so whatever he is, he's not evil.

Vash is spirit seer specifically

Fool's was a red lady.

Thank you

 

[Ben]

Yes, thank you. Him being in the voting section confused me.

So there are 7 people left. 3 wolves, one solo, 3 Town.

It's 8 people left. 4 villagers, 3 wolves, 1 Arsonist.

Zell left Tommy off of this poll, but he's still alive. Or rather, Fool's should be Tommy.

	A Slightly New Used Server
1	Ben
	Benzine
	canadaguy
	Christina
	dimmerwit
	Fool's Requiem
2	Jawneh
3	Kat
4	Local Hero
5	Quagmire
6	shortkut
7	Tommy Boy
8	VashTheStampede

 

[shortkut]

It's 8 people left. 4 villagers, 3 wolves, 1 Arsonist.

Zell left Tommy off of this poll, but he's still alive. Or rather, Fool's should be Tommy.

	A Slightly New Used Server
1	Ben
	Benzine
	canadaguy
	Christina
	dimmerwit
	Fool's Requiem
2	Jawneh
3	Kat
4	Local Hero
5	Quagmire
6	shortkut
7	Tommy Boy
8	VashTheStampede

Good catch. @Zell 17 fix this please. I don’t want to edit your poll since I’m playing in the game

 

[Local Hero]

Tommy has plot armor

 

[Ben]

Tommy has plot armor

Honestly, yeah. He got left off of Kat's poll last game too.

HAX.

 

[Local Hero]

Honestly, yeah. He got left off of Kat's poll last game too.

HAX.

There no accounting for Tommy.

(He's an accountant lol)

 

[shortkut]

Ben is probably a wolf. He was the only one who even slightly defended dimmerwit and his detective reveals are weak.

If Ben is a wolf, then Jawneh is arsonist because Vash saw red and the wolves didn’t kill last night

I am either flower or guardian so I cannot be lynched today regardless

Killing a wolf stops them from winning after the next night phase. If we don’t kill a wolf, then they get 50% of the town overnight.

However, if we don’t kill the arsonist, and he douses two townies, we lose anyway

 

[Local Hero]

If Ben is a wolf, he'd let Jawneh get lynched and he would win

 

[shortkut]

If Ben is a wolf, he'd let Jawneh get lynched and he would win

He’s currently overthinking things or I am

Changing vote to Ben

 

[Local Hero]

He’s currently overthinking things or I am

Changing vote to Ben

Occam's razor and all that

 

[shortkut]

Occam's razor and all that

I’ve been wolf with Ben before and he claimed a 4th strong role when the 3 known ones were confirmed (if I’m remembering correctly). I wouldn’t be surprised if he made a mistake and just wanted to get me lynched because I was the one directing people to him. You’re the one who linked to Alu’s post about Ben being sus as a clue to who Alu may have visited

 

[shortkut]

Can someone run the numbers in what not killing would mean for the tow’s chances? If we avoid lynching a non-wolf, it buys us another day

 

[Local Hero]

5-3-1
We can indeed survive one more night with no lynch.
But if you're flower child, you can accomplish that anyways

Whoops can't math.
4-3-1
We are still fine. 3-3-1 after a wolf kill means wolves aren't half the town, but still not great

 

[shortkut]

5-3-1
We can indeed survive one more night with no lynch.
But if you're flower child, you can accomplish that anyways

Which is why I was asking. I can make it happen or we can choose not to vote and I can save my ability. If we need 4 votes to lynch, the wolves cannot create a lunch themselves. We just run the risk of the arsonist dousing everyone else remaining

 

[Jon]

Can someone run the numbers in what not killing would mean for the tow’s chances?

33.33% (repeating of course).

(Sorry I had to. I'm leaving.)

 

[Local Hero]

@Tommy Boy town
@VashTheStampede spirit seer

@Ben detective unconfirmed

@shortkut flower child unconfirmed

@Kat ???
@Quagmire ???
@Jawneh ???

If no Bully steps forward, maybe it's safe to say Ben is arsonist. In which case we lunch one of shortkut, Kat, Quagmire, or Jawneh

 

[Local Hero]

33.33% (repeating of course).

(Sorry I had to. I'm leaving.)

 

[Ben]

@Tommy Boy town
@VashTheStampede spirit seer

@Ben detective unconfirmed

@shortkut flower child unconfirmed

@Kat ???
@Quagmire ???
@Jawneh ???

If no Bully steps forward, maybe it's safe to say Ben is arsonist. I'm which case we lunch one of shortkut, Kat, Quagmire, or Jawneh

Remind me what cleared Tommy as town? Did Alu visit him or something?

 

[Local Hero]

Remind me what cleared Tommy as town? Did Alu visit him or something?

Kat reminded me that this is the case. Alu visited Tommy

 

[Kat]

What if Ben is the alpha wolf and this whole thing is a ploy because Jawneh will know who he is?

Isn't it convenient that Vash is a spirit seer who has only given us an SK? Granted, the wolves haven't killed for two nights, but still. If they know who the SK is (and wolves usually figure it out pretty quick), then it's a great way to get rid of them.

If there were a bully, should they rock kut instead since he seems so keen on preventing a lynch?

 

[Local Hero]

Isn't it convenient that

You haven't said

 

[Kat]

Local, the wolves will obviously kill the bully if they know who it is. There isn't any protection left. Do you really think they should out themselves? If the last strong role weren't a bully, surely we would've seen evidence of people being jailed or another detective would've given some reads or something, yeah?

 

[shortkut]

Isn't it convenient that Vash is a spirit seer who has only given us an SK? Granted, the wolves haven't killed for two nights, but still. If they know who the SK is (and wolves usually figure it out pretty quick), then it's a great way to get rid of them.

It would take a huge coincidence for the wolves to not kill on the night the arsonist kills, just so they could false claim a seer to get the town to off the SK for them

 

[shortkut]

If there were a bully, should they rock kut instead since he seems so keen on preventing a lynch?

I’m concerned with preventing my own lynch. If the other confirmed townies want me to drop any lynch, I am open to the idea, but I am not advocating for no lynch. I’m advocating for killing a wolf and I believe Ben is a wolf

That would make Jawneh the arsonist

 

[Kat]

It would take a huge coincidence for the wolves to not kill on the night the arsonist kills, just so they could false claim a seer to get the town to off the SK for them

It doesn't require a huge coincidence to take advantage of a situation.

 

[Local Hero]

Local, the wolves will obviously kill the bully if they know who it is. There isn't any protection left. Do you really think they should out themselves? If the last strong role weren't a bully, surely we would've seen evidence of people being jailed or another detective would've given some reads or something, yeah?

I hope you realize that I'm just about the least thoughtful person here lol. But I agree with your logic

Who do you suggest we vote for?

 

[shortkut]

It doesn't require a huge coincidence to take advantage of a situation.

How could they take advantage of something they didn’t know would happen?

 

[Kat]

I hope you realize that I'm just about the least thoughtful person here lol. But I agree with your logic

Who do you suggest we vote for?

Being stoned aside, do you think Ben is a wolf? Would he make this play about revealing the alpha wolf if he were? I get strong wolfy vibes based on his pointless reads made after they're redundant, but that part gives me pause.

How could they take advantage of something they didn’t know would happen?

What do you mean? They knew when the day started what had happened during the night, same as the rest of us. Faking a spirit seer as cover is a pretty common thing to do.

 

[shortkut]

What do you mean? They knew when the day started what had happened during the night, same as the rest of us. Faking a spirit seer as cover is a pretty common thing to do.

That makes sense. I thought you were saying they planned to take advantage last night and purposely did not kill for that plan

 

[Tommy Boy]

Hey I’m not the bully so I don’t really think there is one.

 

[Kat]

Ugh there goes my cover from the wolves.

I'm the bully.

 

[Tommy Boy]

sorry I didn’t mean to root you out, but I also didn’t want to go into the night fucking up my protection. I am tough guy.

 

[Local Hero]

Hey I’m not the bully so I don’t really think there is one.

As Kat pointed out, there are 3 strong roles. We have ritualist and detective (unconfirmed claim by Ben). We should have one more. It could have been Fools, but who knows.

 

[Local Hero]

sorry I didn’t mean to root you out, but I also didn’t want to go into the night fucking up my protection. I am tough guy.

 

[shortkut]

As Kat pointed out, there are 3 strong roles. We have ritualist and detective (unconfirmed claim by Ben). We should have one more. It could have been Fools, but who knows.

We don’t know what quagmire or Jawneh are either

 

[Kat]

We don’t know what quagmire or Jawneh are either

Jawneh is arsonist.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I don’t feel so tough right now though

 

[Tommy Boy]

Ugh there goes my cover from the wolves.

I'm the bully.

Wait actually why would you say this

 

[Tommy Boy]

Sorry I am bad at GW mobile holy shit lol

 

[shortkut]

Wait actually why would you say this

She still had quagmire to provide cover

 

[Tommy Boy]

 

[shortkut]

Sorry I am bad at GW mobile holy shit lol

I only use GW mobile

 

[Kat]

Wait actually why would you say this

Because it'd be obvious to the wolves at this point, since they know it's true and I'm the only one who believes it and isn't a wolf. So may as well clear it up to you all.

 

[Local Hero]

A vote for shortkut is a vote for peace

 

[Kat]

BUT it's fine because you can protect me, so it works out. =]

A vote for shortkut is a vote for peace

If we think he's a wolf, I can prevent him from saving himself.

 

[Tommy Boy]

There’s no fuckin way Jawneh is muted I swear to god

 

[Tommy Boy]

He is purposely ignoring the thread.

 

[shortkut]

I’d rather not die. How am I more sus than Ben as a wolf target?

 

[Kat]

I’d rather not die. How am I more sus than Ben as a wolf target?

Ben is offering up a wolf to save the SK when the wolves would win if we lynch the SK. So what's in it for him?

Plus both you and Vash are trying to get him killed, and at least one of you is evil.

I would like to hear from @Quagmire before we decide anything though. What's your role? What have you been doing? Who are you suspicious of? (I hope you can still have fun with us even after the election went the way it did.)