VTS Mafia The Morgue (Year 2)

[Jon]

You found one of maybe only 2 ways to die while in custody.

Bomber doesn't have that kind of reach.

HE HAD DIRT ON MY SECOND MOTHER TWICE REMOVED FROM A DIFFERENT TIMELINE! I HAD NO CHOICE DAMNIT!

 

[TD]

If I'm Alu and cg I'm just voting guilty now.

It's their only move for a chance.

 

[Christina]

There's no deal the mafia can make that you can possibly trust.

 

[Jon]

I don't understand Kelly's play here though. He is now officially outed as the Don. Which means he's admitted that the ONLY way he dies is at trial. There is ZERO incentive for either the bomber or town to keep him alive.

At that point, it again comes back to who is tagged. And if Tubby doesn't kill CG or Alu here, and then he and zell get arrested, it's game over...

There is nothing that points to what Kelly is saying as valid. Town has, in my estimation, a 75% chance of winning if they just convict Kelly and prevent putting Zell on the stand (and put Tubby on).

 

[TD]

There is nothing that points to what Kelly is saying as valid. Town has, in my estimation, a 75% chance of winning if they just convict Kelly and prevent putting Zell on the stand (and put Tubby on).

If they put Tubby on the stand, that's a loss for the town.

 

[Jon]

If both town survive? How?

 

[Jon]

Nevermind, Zell kill townie and convict tubby

 

[Jon]

I wonder if Kelly is serious that the mafia will not kill the bomber tomorrow? That's a threat that really does make the game RNG based (but skewed to bomber).

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I love that kut is actually going back and reading this. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

I gave up after 6 pages.

There's still a scenario where anyone, citizens, mafia, and bomber could win.

It's another mexican standoff game.

 

[TD]

Kelly showed the mafia's hand by saying they don't kill the bomber. Mafia can't be trusted.

If they can somehow secure a situation where both Zell and Tubby are on trial, they can pull this off

 

[TD]

If Tubby targeted kut:
- Convict Kelly
- Jail Zell
- Keep voting not guilty
- Keep outposting Tubby
- Repeat

 

[Jon]

Based on what Alu is saying, does he not believe Tubby is the bomber?!

 

[TD]

Oh he knows. He's just saying it for reasons.

 

[TD]

Just like the mafia - citizens have to be careful showing their hand too much. That's something the city did wrong a lot but it's tough to balance with genuine collaboration.

If Alu can make them think if even for a bit that he thinks Zell might be the bomber, it could work in their favour.

 

[TD]

I stand by what I've said before - Alu is a really strong player and you're probably not going to manipulate him to your narrative in this situation.

 

[Jon]

I think you're right that the best thing is for both Alu and CG to vote guilty right now. You take a lot of guesswork out and put the pressure dead on Tubby and likely convince him to not kill a citizen if he has tagged one. Mostly because his conviction vote is irrelevant and there is no need to threaten to kill a citizen to get a guilty vote

 

[Christina]

Reminder that unless Zell is willing to officially out himself as Zoos, he has to post 2 animals in his one post. I would be on the lookout for Kelley posting an animal or 2 so that he can quote him.

 

[shortkut]

19 pages in

FTR when I said earlier that I thought one player in particular was playing things amazingly, it was Local

Thanks for answering this. As you can tell from my other posts, I was curious

The fact that kut posted for the first time while I was typing up the Bailiff action was wild

Our timing was impeccable

No one's gonna point it out though.

I am wrong. Go kut!

I'd say maybe kut is the Barkeep but I feel like someone would already be dead.

That they would

shortkut is on to Zell.

He hasn't had his judgment compromised by consuming pineapple on pizza.

This is the only possible answer.

Fuck pineapple

In before Lamb Chop: The Sequel.

I was trying for that. Don’t think I’m up to the part in the thread where you see that yet though

The main thing I find interesting is nobody really talking about shortkut one way or the other.

Good

I can confirm the post Kelly made that Zell quoted has an animal in it

Once you said that, aha ha stuck out

"Aha ha"

Aha ha - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yup

 

[TD]

What I would love to see just for lols:

- Kelly voted guilty
- No bombing
- Two votes to put Zell on Trial
- Two votes to put one of the others on trial

(Assuming jury would be 2 with 4 players left)

 

[Jon]

I mean, simple remembrance eliminates this, no? Tubby hasn't posted animals every day. Wasn't he silenced at another point in the game and didn't?

 

[TD]

I mean, simple remembrance eliminates this, no? Tubby hasn't posted animals every day. Wasn't he silenced at another point in the game and didn't?

Yeah - Tubby has been ruled out as Zoos.
Alu knows this.

 

[Jon]

That's what I thought. Based on my observations, Alu knows the city actually has the best advantage right now and he's toying with Kelly to let him think the chance of a city win is low (it's really not). No reason to not convict right now to be honest.

 

[shortkut]

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You got saved by shortkut being terrible

???

Anybody find it funny that Zell is the one left that has not claimed a role?

I literally typed like 3 posts pointing that out and then deleted them because he response would be something stupid like “rules say no role claiming” and didn’t want to deal with him being pedantic

Quote someone 5 times?
lol nice.

Man Benzine did have the hardest one.

Same person or just 5 quotes?

 

[TD]

That's what I thought. Based on my observations, Alu knows the city actually has the best advantage right now and he's toying with Kelly to let him think the chance of a city win is low (it's really not). No reason to not convict right now to be honest.

The city absolutely does not have the "best advantage".

I'm almost concerned that they haven't voted guilty... almost.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Page 21

???

I literally typed like 3 posts pointing that out and then deleted them because he response would be something stupid like “rules say no role claiming” and didn’t want to deal with him being pedantic

Same person or just 5 quotes?

The Steve Irwin thing drew my attention lol

 

[TD]

Same person or just 5 quotes?

That's a distinction that I don't think has been clarified.

 

[Jon]

I'm almost concerned that they haven't voted guilty... almost.

I'm a little concerned CG hasn't exposed who he shushed.

 

[TD]

I'm a little concerned CG hasn't exposed who he shushed.

Doesn't really need to. At least not yet.

 

[VashTheStampede]

That's a distinction that I don't think has been clarified.

Just 5 quotes

Yes this is incredibly easy on the surface but when you consider there are several players who rarely post as many as 5 times in a day phase, I felt like I needed to account for that.

 

[TD]

Just 5 quotes

Yes this is incredibly easy on the surface but when you consider there are several players who rarely post as many as 5 times in a day phase, I felt like I needed to account for that.

It's easy to accomplish and very hard to identify.

The other way around it if you WANTED it to be quoting the same person is you could reuse quotes and choose who you're quoting.

 

[TD]

I'm honestly kind of lost on what Kelly is trying to convince Alu of at this point when it's obvious he's not biting.

 

[shortkut]

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Tubby: "Okay if we both think Kelly is mafia, let's put him on trial."

Simple as that.

I’m going to say that in the future if this post but also in the past of this post

Oh shit, Kut making the worst choice....

Let’s see how Zell pulls a rabbit out of the hat here.

??? Explain yourself @Jon

Holy shit shortkut did the thing.

The thing I say at the top of this post?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Just 5 quotes

Yes this is incredibly easy on the surface but when you consider there are several players who rarely post as many as 5 times in a day phase, I felt like I needed to account for that.

Not to mention the possibility of not having much to say in later rounds.

 

[TD]

The thing I say at the top of this post?

Yup - that thing.
You played very strong in the second half of the game.

 

[TD]

"The bomber deserves to win"

#TEAMTUBBY

(I do think Tubby played great with the exception of the very strange Bailiff claim)

 

[VashTheStampede]

Honestly I'm happy if either Tubby or the Mob wins but the Tubby win would be cool as hell.

If the Citizens win it is literally because of the Bomber

 

[TD]

I also have a very hard time differentiating right now from my perspective if the mafia played great or if the city just played so poorly.

Knowing what I saw, it's easy to say the city played poorly and that's why - but there's also a reason the mafia killed me so early which was clearly a great choice.

They also pretty much nailed every kill choice.

...I guess it can be both?

 

[Kat]

Reminder that unless Zell is willing to officially out himself as Zoos, he has to post 2 animals in his one post. I would be on the lookout for Kelley posting an animal or 2 so that he can quote him.

I already spotted "cur".

 

[Christina]

I also have a very hard time differentiating right now from my perspective if the mafia played great or if the city just played so poorly.

Knowing what I saw, it's easy to say the city played poorly and that's why - but there's also a reason the mafia killed me so early which was clearly a great choice.

They also pretty much nailed every kill choice.

...I guess it can be both?

I would say the mafia's biggest mistake was leaving the bomber alive.

 

[shortkut]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

I had a notepad with 67 possibilities after Day 1. Vash even called it out in my death story.

The shitty RNG on the finding of tells just sent this game into a direction.

I'll give you one now.

Twice a day, make reference to a role, but confused it with the description of another role

this better not end in another fucking stalemate...

Page 27

Some sequels are good

The Librarian has evolved! The Librarian is now The Archivist!

The Archivist can instantly mute a player for lols!

Do it!

Oh look at that Kut did the math!

Maybe I should change my custom title from idea man to “the spoiler”

 

[VashTheStampede]

I would say the mafia's biggest mistake was leaving the bomber alive.

One of my favorite behind the scenes moments is related to this...

 

[shortkut]

Page 28

Tubby probably would.
Everyone else will just see my post count and be like "oh and it's gibberish" except this time it's not.

lol

Also I'm posting this cause it's so good and I'm happy with it.

View attachment 3426

Is that a tell?

 

[Christina]

I want a whole write up from Tubby after this. Did he just use cold reads to find the mafia? Was it luck? Did he care? I know why he let himself be shushed.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I would say the mafia's biggest mistake was leaving the bomber alive.

Image taken from right about the moment I posted that the Bomber killed Benzine

 

[TD]

I would say the mafia's biggest mistake was leaving the bomber alive.

One of my favorite behind the scenes moments is related to this...

Will us peasants find out in a post game breakdown?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Will us peasants find out in a post game breakdown?

Just posted it

 

[TD]

View attachment 3458

Image taken from right about the moment I posted that the Bomber killed Benzine

Well this aged well. lol

If they kill the bomber early, do we think the city kills ANY mafia?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Well this aged well. lol

If they kill the bomber early, do we think the city kills ANY mafia?

If they kill Tubby instead of Dean then... they get another person to corroborate the Jimmy Zoos Tell lol

 

[shortkut]

Made it to my posts, end of page 30

Oh! There's supposed to be a bailiff badge, for Shortkut swapping out a mafia off the jury.

That explains it

kut is going to be so happy about getting another badge.

I am

Welcome @shortkut who is probably not let in this thread yet, but you'll figure it out.

Shortkut with the magician card, pulling slight of hand tricks by switching around jurist.

You should be getting a bailiff badge for taking a mafia memeber out of the jury. I do not know if Vash decided what that looks like, so if you have a suggestions, it would make his life easier.

I did not have it at that time

kut has access now

Yay

Hahaha yes Alu.

The Lamb Chop brains are at work. He found it.

I am still reading this clusterfuck to see the main game thread. Is he using my template for a stalemate?

I love that kut is actually going back and reading this. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Did you have doubts?

Hey I did too!

I had more to read!

It's another mexican standoff game

That’s what I wanted the badge to be for the sequel

 

[TD]

I think the thing I'm curious about is - how will the next game go now that some actual tells have been revealed?

From what I can tell aside from the animal one being uncovered, the city wasn't close on finding any actual tells while alive.

Will people look more aggressively? Will they look at different things? Will they think deeper than the basic ones?

Or will they just ignore the tell system?