Nintendo Switch 2

Update 16 January:





Posting now because I'm bored and this thing has leaked like a sieve. Nothing official yet so sorry if you got excited, but Nintendo still say it'll be unveiled by the end of March.

Anyway:
  • New hardware (Nvidia T239 variant), 12GB RAM with DLSS support highly probable (the motherboard leaked)
  • Magnetic joycons possibly with Hall-effect sticks, possibly lasers out of the bottom
  • 8 inch LCD, supposedly 1080p, no OLED unfortunately
  • Leaker above suggests launch titles include Mario Kart 9 and the event will unveil a new 3D Mario.
  • "Retail price in Canada is $400"
  • French retailer listing suggests RDR2 (supported by leaker mentioned above) at launch
  • Another leaker who previously broke the news of Microsoft's games going multiplatform is saying they'll come to Switch 2 as well...
  • ...and the FF7 remakes too
There's probably a lot more but that's a lot already. As always, take with whatever amount of salt you like.
 
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I was among the many who was thinking "boy, aint it great that they're throwing a older fab 8nm chip into that thing." But then I also remembered this very same chip was rumored to be in Switch 2 something like 2 years ago already. The very least, whatever Nintendo learned from Switch 1, at least 2 years of internal dev on how to get this new chip to be amazing, and creating good dev tools (and more importantly migration tools for existing games) it could be good.

Whatever it is, I'm still probably getting it at or close to launch. Hell, maybe the launch units will go up in price like Switch 1 thanks to being easier and more straight forward to jailbreak.
 

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I think all electronics are supposed to get more expensive, what with Tramp fucking everything up, so I wouldn't expect it to come down.

I believe I heard that they'd stated they're not worried about scalpers trying to buy up all the stock, or supply-chain issues, etc. I hope that's the case, and we're not in the same PS5 situation where you can't get one to save your life.

Still, if it's stepping up the quality and bringing titles like RDR2, I'm all about that. I'll be trying to get one, either for myself or my son, early on. $400 is a pretty big chunk of change, but honestly the amount of use my family gets out of the Switch and stuff has paid for itself, for sure.

Magnetic joycons though sounds like it's just asking to drop the center console, but we'll see...
 

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I fuckin love my Switch. It's probably my favorite console ever. That said, the leaks don't impress me too much. It doesn't appear to be a staggering leap like each successive Nintendo console was. Wii and Wii U expanded on previous systems in novel ways, but Switch 2 just seems like Switch++.

Now, that's not a bad thing, but I don't see myself picking one up at launch. Sure, prices might not come down for a while, and the reported launch price is pretty impressive tbh, but I might try to hold out for the inevitable mid-cycle OLED refresh.

I just don't see myself buying a Switch 2 to play multiplats like RDR2. Some games just feel like they are not made to be played in handheld mode, and gigantic sprawling lifelike action-adventure games are those games IMO. If I don't intend to play such games in handheld, I'd just play them on home consoles instead. I also already finished that game like half a decade ago.

My Switch 1 backlog is already gigantass so I can hold out...

...maybe........
 
$400 is a pretty big chunk of change, but honestly the amount of use my family gets out of the Switch and stuff has paid for itself, for sure.
Remember that's $400 CAD so a bit under $300 USD, if that rumour is right.

Now, that's not a bad thing, but I don't see myself picking one up at launch. Sure, prices might not come down for a while, and the reported launch price is pretty impressive tbh, but I might try to hold out for the inevitable mid-cycle OLED refresh.
I'd like to think I have the fortitude to hold out, but I don't. I will see that 3D Mario game and pre-order on the spot.

I agree on multiplats and I generally use my Switch as a first-party machine.
 
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If a multiplat is the definitive release of a game, it's totally a selling point. NFS Most Wanted U was considered the best [console] version of Most Wanted because the Wii U was more powerful than the PS3 and 360. Also, layer releases tend to be the most complete versions and come with all of the content previously released... as long as they don't do a Spyro Collection and make some of it a required DL.

Also, if the Switch 2 gets Fatal Fury City of the Wolves, that's a selling point for me, too.
 

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If a multiplat is the definitive release of a game, it's totally a selling point. NFS Most Wanted U was considered the best [console] version of Most Wanted because the Wii U was more powerful than the PS3 and 360. Also, layer releases tend to be the most complete versions and come with all of the content previously released... as long as they don't do a Spyro Collection and make some of it a required DL.

Also, if the Switch 2 gets Fatal Fury City of the Wolves, that's a selling point for me, too.
From what I've heard of the leaks, Switch 2 is supposed to be comparable to PS4 in terms of power.
 
I think that's probably underselling it even before you factor in DLSS, at least for docked mode.

One thing that was notable about the leaked docked specs was that the input was 60W compared to the original model Switch's 39W. Not a guarantee of course but it does tally with other leaks that have suggested that the delta between docked and portable mode is bigger with Switch 2 than the original.
 

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I guess the real question would be where the specs fall in regard to say, a Steam Deck. I'm guessing a bit lower, but the price is also likely better still.
 
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I have very little experience using the Switch as a handheld, but when I did, I missed having it docked almost always. Because of that, I stopped transporting it with me for long train rides and instead opt to bring along my 3DS.

I know the Switch is intended to be a dual handheld, but I've treated mine like a console exclusively. I want to like the screen. I just can't get into it.
 

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I have very little experience using the Switch as a handheld, but when I did, I missed having it docked almost always. Because of that, I stopped transporting it with me for long train rides and instead opt to bring along my 3DS.

I know the Switch is intended to be a dual handheld, but I've treated mine like a console exclusively. I want to like the screen. I just can't get into it.
I liked it just because I can play games in bed. Although it's kinda bad for the same reason. I occasionally played it while traveling but it's a pain to lug around.

I bet it's fantastic if you're a kid without your own TV though.
 
It just makes my hands go numb already to hold it so I don't want it to be heavier. I do agree the screen is a bit small for some games. (Can you believe we used to play on tiny Gameboys?) Maybe they can fix it by making it more ergonomic.
I also get numbness but for me it's the fact that the console is too thin.

I'm the opposite of you guys it seems - I almost always use my Switch handheld. The TV experience looks OK with some less intensive stuff like Mario Kart, but once you start stretching the Switch more it doesn't really scale well to today's large scale 4K TVs. In fact this is one area above all where I hope the Switch 2 improves on technically, and it's exactly where stuff like DLSS will help out enormously.
 
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I have a Switch with a range of games, but have never really played it. In the past that's been because I don't want the kids to know I have it. We've moderated their access to games so far and it's gone very well, but I feel like a Switch would be harder to control, and also lead to more conflict. That's not a situation that'll last forever though.

But with me spending more time playing games now, I could absolutely make a conscious decision to go all in on this at launch knowing I'll use it. Genuinely partly because of the excitement of getting the shiny new thing, which I haven't had in a while. I also have my eye on the 50 series graphics cards (my 3070 is doing absolutely fine, but I will upgrade at some point), and whatever comes along next in the Steam Deck and VR worlds, but this could be a tempting pivot.
 

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In the past that's been because I don't want the kids to know I have it. We've moderated their access to games so far and it's gone very well, but I feel like a Switch would be harder to control, and also lead to more conflict.
This is one of the things I think about a lot. If I were to have kids, I'd want to limit their amount of playtime, unlike my parents did with me. That said, I still spend a lot of time gaming and wouldn't want to give that up. Of course, parental duties would come first, but I wouldn't want to be a hypocrite and ban them from playing while I spend time playing. It's a conundrum for me.

How did you get back into gaming while still limiting your kids' playtime?
 
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This is one of the things I think about a lot. If I were to have kids, I'd want to limit their amount of playtime, unlike my parents did with me. That said, I still spend a lot of time gaming and wouldn't want to give that up. Of course, parental duties would come first, but I wouldn't want to be a hypocrite and ban them from playing while I spend time playing. It's a conundrum for me.

How did you get back into gaming while still limiting your kids' playtime?
They're all under the age of 10, so I game when they're in bed for the most part. We only moved house six months ago and don't currently have a television on the wall, and most of my gaming is in my office on my PC, so even on the odd occasion when they're in the house and I grab an hour, I'm in a different room to them. All in all though when I talk about getting back into gaming, I mean around 5-10 hours per week on average. It's nowhere near the levels of old, but substantial enough that I can actually play and finish games within a reasonable period of time. It's not like I'm playing for three or four hours a day and having to hide it from the kids.

They game mostly on the iPad (Blockcraft, which is a popular Minecraft clone) and on the arcade machine that I have in my games room. Both are pretty easy to control. We think we're only going to have a television up in that games room so it's not like it's going to be in an area of the house that you naturally move past. It'll be a conscious decision to go in there and use it for any of us, which I'm hoping will make it easier to control.

All of this is a big conundrum though, as parenting is as a whole. The science is pretty clear now that screen time alone isn't harmful for kids. The problem is when they spend so much time doing it that they miss out on other essential elements of their lives. That's not a risk with us, and really the key when it comes to controlling access to screens is to ensure that it doesn't become part of a daily routine. There isn't ever a time when the television or iPad is just simply on in a room. It's always a conscious decision to use it. That being the case they don't use it every day, and we've reached the point where, within reason, they can have that time whenever they ask for it. But because it isn't part of a routine and it isn't normal for it to be on, they simply don't ask for it that much. That may well become more difficult as they get older, and when they do I'm very open to them playing games a lot more. The key is just to ensure that there's balance between that and other aspects of their lives, which at times all of our parents may not have done.
 
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Out of curiosity, what do your kids mostly fill their free time at home with? You mentioned gaming and tv is pretty minor, but I can't imagine they just read all day long.
Monday to Friday the older two are obviously in school during the day. The youngest is in nursery three half days a week (until 2pm). They also have activities after school, and some at the weekend (Saturday mornings mostly), so during the week there's not a lot of time that needs to be filled.

On 'free' days, so out of term time and a day and a half of any given weekend, we'll often do at least one thing with them outside of the house, whether that's going to somewhere like the zoo or a range of other museums and similar that we can go to locally, or a more defined day out to somewhere a bit further away. But we'll at least go for a work or get out of the house in some guise. For longer school holidays we usually go on some sort of holiday or trip ourselves.

So there aren't a massive number of days when there's a significant amount of dead time. But for when there is, never underestimate the ability of kids to occupy themselves. They really are very good at it when they don't have screens as an automatic fallback. Just off the top of my head from the past week, they play with Lego, we have a little music player with different discs (nursery rhymes and other sound effects) that our youngest loves, we have a piano and drums that they will often sit down and play (eldest is the piano player and middle child is the drum player, but they are learning each other's instrument too so often switch), they race around the house on indoor trikes and scooters, we have a marble run, play kitchen, train sets, they play football in the house, they build forts using both the play sofa that we have and other furniture, they used walkie talkies to speak to each other whilst at opposite ends of the house. As well as books they really enjoy board games, and can seriously come up with an absolutely limitless number of games themselves. They made 'human sandwiches' the other day using the play sofa. Yesterday when I was with the youngest whilst the others were swimming, we spent a solid half hour just emptying the jar of marbles, putting them on a little slide that we made from other toys, and then putting them back in the jar. All of which was apparently hilarious.

That is off the top of my head and just scratches the surface, and I haven't even mentioned when they go outside to play games. For the most part, it's great as a parent to engage with your kids (and you need to in order to give them that confidence to go and play and explore themselves), but you shouldn't need to constantly come up with things to occupy them. They're plenty good at doing that themselves. Even the two year old will play by himself for pretty extended periods of time. Obviously I can't just leave him to it, but giving him enough proper attention pays off later on. I had three hours with him yesterday while my wife was with the others, and I probably read for a solid hour of that in the room that he was playing in. It's obviously not the most relaxing and interruption free reading time, but it's not three solid hours of playing with toddler toys either.
 

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Monday to Friday the older two are obviously in school during the day. The youngest is in nursery three half days a week (until 2pm). They also have activities after school, and some at the weekend (Saturday mornings mostly), so during the week there's not a lot of time that needs to be filled.

On 'free' days, so out of term time and a day and a half of any given weekend, we'll often do at least one thing with them outside of the house, whether that's going to somewhere like the zoo or a range of other museums and similar that we can go to locally, or a more defined day out to somewhere a bit further away. But we'll at least go for a work or get out of the house in some guise. For longer school holidays we usually go on some sort of holiday or trip ourselves.

So there aren't a massive number of days when there's a significant amount of dead time. But for when there is, never underestimate the ability of kids to occupy themselves. They really are very good at it when they don't have screens as an automatic fallback. Just off the top of my head from the past week, they play with Lego, we have a little music player with different discs (nursery rhymes and other sound effects) that our youngest loves, we have a piano and drums that they will often sit down and play (eldest is the piano player and middle child is the drum player, but they are learning each other's instrument too so often switch), they race around the house on indoor trikes and scooters, we have a marble run, play kitchen, train sets, they play football in the house, they build forts using both the play sofa that we have and other furniture, they used walkie talkies to speak to each other whilst at opposite ends of the house. As well as books they really enjoy board games, and can seriously come up with an absolutely limitless number of games themselves. They made 'human sandwiches' the other day using the play sofa. Yesterday when I was with the youngest whilst the others were swimming, we spent a solid half hour just emptying the jar of marbles, putting them on a little slide that we made from other toys, and then putting them back in the jar. All of which was apparently hilarious.

That is off the top of my head and just scratches the surface, and I haven't even mentioned when they go outside to play games. For the most part, it's great as a parent to engage with your kids (and you need to in order to give them that confidence to go and play and explore themselves), but you shouldn't need to constantly come up with things to occupy them. They're plenty good at doing that themselves. Even the two year old will play by himself for pretty extended periods of time. Obviously I can't just leave him to it, but giving him enough proper attention pays off later on. I had three hours with him yesterday while my wife was with the others, and I probably read for a solid hour of that in the room that he was playing in. It's obviously not the most relaxing and interruption free reading time, but it's not three solid hours of playing with toddler toys either.
Thanks for the very detailed answer. You're a good dude, and a good dad, I can tell.

Now that you mentioned it, I remember playing alone and making my own fun, or with kids my age a LOT when I was younger. I imagine it is more difficult to keep them entertained if you only have a single child and there aren't other children their age nearby -- and also if you live in a place that isn't kid-friendly. Saudi doesn't lend itself to outside play, for example.

It's good to hear that traditional toys are still alive too. Nowadays all the kids I see around are iPad babies. It's awful.
 
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They're all under the age of 10, so I game when they're in bed for the most part. We only moved house six months ago and don't currently have a television on the wall, and most of my gaming is in my office on my PC, so even on the odd occasion when they're in the house and I grab an hour, I'm in a different room to them. All in all though when I talk about getting back into gaming, I mean around 5-10 hours per week on average. It's nowhere near the levels of old, but substantial enough that I can actually play and finish games within a reasonable period of time. It's not like I'm playing for three or four hours a day and having to hide it from the kids.

They game mostly on the iPad (Blockcraft, which is a popular Minecraft clone) and on the arcade machine that I have in my games room. Both are pretty easy to control. We think we're only going to have a television up in that games room so it's not like it's going to be in an area of the house that you naturally move past. It'll be a conscious decision to go in there and use it for any of us, which I'm hoping will make it easier to control.

All of this is a big conundrum though, as parenting is as a whole. The science is pretty clear now that screen time alone isn't harmful for kids. The problem is when they spend so much time doing it that they miss out on other essential elements of their lives. That's not a risk with us, and really the key when it comes to controlling access to screens is to ensure that it doesn't become part of a daily routine. There isn't ever a time when the television or iPad is just simply on in a room. It's always a conscious decision to use it. That being the case they don't use it every day, and we've reached the point where, within reason, they can have that time whenever they ask for it. But because it isn't part of a routine and it isn't normal for it to be on, they simply don't ask for it that much. That may well become more difficult as they get older, and when they do I'm very open to them playing games a lot more. The key is just to ensure that there's balance between that and other aspects of their lives, which at times all of our parents may not have done.
Monday to Friday the older two are obviously in school during the day. The youngest is in nursery three half days a week (until 2pm). They also have activities after school, and some at the weekend (Saturday mornings mostly), so during the week there's not a lot of time that needs to be filled.

On 'free' days, so out of term time and a day and a half of any given weekend, we'll often do at least one thing with them outside of the house, whether that's going to somewhere like the zoo or a range of other museums and similar that we can go to locally, or a more defined day out to somewhere a bit further away. But we'll at least go for a work or get out of the house in some guise. For longer school holidays we usually go on some sort of holiday or trip ourselves.

So there aren't a massive number of days when there's a significant amount of dead time. But for when there is, never underestimate the ability of kids to occupy themselves. They really are very good at it when they don't have screens as an automatic fallback. Just off the top of my head from the past week, they play with Lego, we have a little music player with different discs (nursery rhymes and other sound effects) that our youngest loves, we have a piano and drums that they will often sit down and play (eldest is the piano player and middle child is the drum player, but they are learning each other's instrument too so often switch), they race around the house on indoor trikes and scooters, we have a marble run, play kitchen, train sets, they play football in the house, they build forts using both the play sofa that we have and other furniture, they used walkie talkies to speak to each other whilst at opposite ends of the house. As well as books they really enjoy board games, and can seriously come up with an absolutely limitless number of games themselves. They made 'human sandwiches' the other day using the play sofa. Yesterday when I was with the youngest whilst the others were swimming, we spent a solid half hour just emptying the jar of marbles, putting them on a little slide that we made from other toys, and then putting them back in the jar. All of which was apparently hilarious.

That is off the top of my head and just scratches the surface, and I haven't even mentioned when they go outside to play games. For the most part, it's great as a parent to engage with your kids (and you need to in order to give them that confidence to go and play and explore themselves), but you shouldn't need to constantly come up with things to occupy them. They're plenty good at doing that themselves. Even the two year old will play by himself for pretty extended periods of time. Obviously I can't just leave him to it, but giving him enough proper attention pays off later on. I had three hours with him yesterday while my wife was with the others, and I probably read for a solid hour of that in the room that he was playing in. It's obviously not the most relaxing and interruption free reading time, but it's not three solid hours of playing with toddler toys either.
As a DINK, I honestly feel better about the world knowing people like you are out there raising kids. With all the negative news we get every single day, knowing that my pals at GW are all raising great families is a really nice feeling. Props to good parenting. 🍻
 
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As a DINK, I honestly feel better about the world knowing people like you are out there raising kids. With all the negative news we get every single day, knowing that my pals at GW are all raising great families is a really nice feeling. Props to good parenting. 🍻
As much as I'm happy to soak up the praise, I really do want to stress that I am very far from perfect as a parent, and parenting is really fucking difficult. I make mistakes as a parent constantly, there are things that bother me constantly, and I regularly come up against situations that I just don't know how to deal with. Now, the fact that I acknowledge these things as mistakes and try to improve upon them does probably mean that in the end my kids are going to turn out fine, and in a way there is a benefit to them seeing me as a flawed human being, but I don't want anyone to think that I've somehow cracked the parenting code. Like most other parents, I'm just doing the best that I can.

Man, you all got to play games as much as you wanted? I wasn't even allowed to have my own TV.
Not technically, no. There were various restrictions in place at various times of my life. But my parents were really quite naive about it, which meant that circumventing those restrictions wasn't difficult. And once I did get a tv in my room, which was around the age of 14 or so I think, any hope of restricting my time gaming was pretty much out the window. It's one the many areas that my wife and I are keen not to repeat our parents' mistakes. There is absolutely no scenario where any of our kids get a television in their room, and there are going to be restrictions on access to devices (phones, iPads etc) as and when they do get their own, even if that means that their phones aren't in their bedroom when they're going to sleep, for example. That might mean that we need to enforce those rules on ourselves as well, but honestly I don't see that being a bad thing.
 
Not a huge amount new for those following the leaks - a quick look at the design and a Switch 2 Direct for 2nd April.

Seems like Mario Kart 9 there, again as expected.

Also the new joycons sliding around like mice. I did vaguely mention this capability on the first post (the "lasers" bit) but I didn't really think Nintendo would actually do it. At least if that's actually what's happening there rather than some artistic flourish.
 

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Pretty underwhelming. The premise of the video was a complete deconstruction of the Switch, only to rebuild it virtually identically lol

It looks substantially larger than the OG Switch, too. My OLED is already pretty sizable. It'd be uncomfortable using an even BIGGER Switch while travelling or playing incognito at work.

Consoles are all about games though, so let's see what that brings. I doubt MK9 will have the same success as MK8. I don't think it will bring enough new, fresh content to the series to satisfy the casual gamers that helped propel MK8 to the huge success it's been. If Switch 2 plays Switch 1 games, I can also see uninformed parents in the video game aisle opting for MK8 if there's a price difference between the two.
 
I was really excited while watching the video, but I'm kind of torn on whether or not I'll buy one. It's so hard to justify paying near-full price for every game, and admittedly I am a trophy addict and don't like the idea of spending time away from my Playstation.

I've put enough hours into my Switch that it was worth buying, but I also haven't played it in probably about a year. The big draw for me is backwards compatibility, because at least I could still have Mario Kart/Party/Smash ready to go if people come over, even if it is the old versions of those games.
 
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Switch 1 systems are going to be dirt cheap on the secondary market when this gets released.
Predictions for the April reveal? I'm suspecting they'll reveal Sakurai's next game. And I don't think it'll be Smash.

Also: inb4 Silk Song (timed) exclusive
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