Spiner Watches Old WWE PPVs

[canadaguy]

Hey man, you and I are aligned 100%

I kinda got back into it in like 2017-2018 (what a fuck of a time to chose that) and like it felt like all WWE was at that point was a brand. It's like oh we dont have fans, we have the WWE Universe. The weird cookie cutter commentary on entrances, "Its Boss Time!" "The Big Dog!". The product didn't even matter, everything was just a means to perpetuate the brand.


I will still call them PPVs, even the new ones and I don't give a fuck

 

[Spiner202]

I'm still annoyed that Brock was the one that broke the streak, either the Streak should have never ended or Bray should have been the one to do it

I'm sort of torn on it. The match itself was bad, but it elevated Brock. To be fair, Brock's return was disappointing until that moment, so they didn't really need to elevate Brock if they just had him go over more prior to 2014, but it basically turned him into a "final boss" type character.

On the other hand, Bray would have been much more fitting.

And on the third hand, I'm not sure the streak ever should have been broken.

Something about going back and calling old PPVs "PLEs" really gives me the ick lol

Eh it's just short form so that I don't have to write PPV/PLE every time. I'm also not 100% sure where the split started. I know the Network turned them into PLEs, but I presume you could still buy them as PPVs at that point? At least for a little while?

 

[VashTheStampede]

I don't think the PLE moniker was coined until much more recently, like after the Peacock deal.

It's really not a big deal, just a personal nails on chalkboard thing. I'm old and I resist change!

 

[rktaker]

but it elevated Brock. To be fair, Brock's return was disappointing until that moment,

thing is he didn't need to be elevated he's still Brock Lesnar. a younger guy like Bray, who people were calling the next Undertaker at the time. or any other young wrestler could have used it more. I always said that WWE can't make new stars and it's things like this that's why. like imagine how much a younger star could have been elevated by beating taker instead of a 40 year old part time wrestler that did two moves at the time

should have read the rest of the comment here that's my bad. we do agree on the same things here. I also probably just get irrationally angry about this because it was at a time when I really fell out of love with WWE. and it was really when WWE started to heavily rely on old wrestlers on part timers and just pushing them instead of the wrestlers that they have

 

[MC74]

I don't think the PLE moniker was coined until much more recently, like after the Peacock deal.

It's really not a big deal, just a personal nails on chalkboard thing. I'm old and I resist change!

If it makes you feel any better, I still call them PPVs too!

 

[TheKingOfGalaga]

I'm still annoyed that Brock was the one that broke the streak, either the Streak should have never ended or Bray should have been the one to do it

They really painted themselves into a corner with the streak. I think the only real good option was to have Taker retired undefeated. The problem they ran into is, if you wanna end the streak (and clearly they did), you either:

A) Have someone that people believe could break the streak.
B) Have someone break the streak that could use it to build themselves up.

There is the problem, anyone that would be believable (like Brock), didn't need the win. Yet the guys who could have used the win, didn't appear as though they could break the streak.

Personally I don't mind the streak ended and I don't mind that Brock was the one to do it, but I still think it was a mistake to end it, just have Taker retire and call it a day.

 

[MC74]

They really painted themselves into a corner with the streak. I think the only real good option was to have Taker retired undefeated. The problem they ran into is, if you wanna end the streak (and clearly they did), you either:

A) Have someone that people believe could break the streak.
B) Have someone break the streak that could use it to build themselves up.

There is the problem, anyone that would be believable (like Brock), didn't need the win. Yet the guys who could have used the win, didn't appear as though they could break the streak.

Personally I don't mind the streak ended and I don't mind that Brock was the one to do it, but I still think it was a mistake to end it, just have Taker retire and call it a day.

I recall Orton was supposed to be the one to end it at Mania 21, but he refused out of respect for the Undertaker. If anyone was the right choice to end it, it would've been him at that point in time imo.

Point B) is the reason I did not want Brock or anyone else who was already well established being the one to end it. You kind of want to use it as a platform to push a wrestler to that next level, and for that reason, Orton was the only guy I can think of who would've benefited the most from it, while also making sense from a gimmick standpoint. At least him being the Legend Killer makes sense storyline-wise.

But since that never happened, I think it would've been best to let Taker retire with the streak intact. Sure, it would've left us with a lot of "what ifs", but to me, that's far more prefereable than having the streak end in an anti-climatic fashion.

 

[TheKingOfGalaga]

I recall Orton was supposed to be the one to end it at Mania 21, but he refused out of respect for the Undertaker. If anyone was the right choice to end it, it would've been him at that point in time imo.

Point B) is the reason I did not want Brock or anyone else who was already well established being the one to end it. You kind of want to use it as a platform to push a wrestler to that next level, and for that reason, Orton was the only guy I can think of who would've benefited the most from it, while also making sense from a gimmick standpoint. At least him being the Legend Killer makes sense storyline-wise.

But since that never happened, I think it would've been best to let Taker retire with the streak intact. Sure, it would've left us with a lot of "what ifs", but to me, that's far more prefereable than having the streak end in an anti-climatic fashion.

Spot on. I remember wanting and thinking Orton should be the one, I mean he had a Legend Killer gimmick and it's not like Undertaker wouldn't have recovered from the loss.

The only other person I could think of that could have used it was Edge. I remember that Mania match being great and IMO, Edge outwrestled and outclasses Taker the whole way. Edge was already a main event but hadn't quite shot up like Cena or Triple H yet, and that win could have done it for him. He still did great though.

 

[MC74]

Spot on. I remember wanting and thinking Orton should be the one, I mean he had a Legend Killer gimmick and it's not like Undertaker wouldn't have recovered from the loss.

The only other person I could think of that could have used it was Edge. I remember that Mania match being great and IMO, Edge outwrestled and outclasses Taker the whole way. Edge was already a main event but hadn't quite shot up like Cena or Triple H yet, and that win could have done it for him. He still did great though.

Edge would've been a solid choice too.

Speaking of Cena, I remember being nervous as fuck when Taker won the Rumble in 2007. I had this feeling of dread they were going to do Taker vs Cena and have Cena go over. So glad we got Taker vs Batista instead. They went on to have a storied rivalry. ^^

 

[TheKingOfGalaga]

Edge would've been a solid choice too.

Speaking of Cena, I remember being nervous as fuck when Taker won the Rumble in 2007. I had this feeling of dread they were going to do Taker vs Cena and have Cena go over. So glad we got Taker vs Batista instead. They went on to have a storied rivalry. ^^

I remember the same thing that year, and I remember asking a buddy of mine how Taker was gonna go for the spinner title, which in hindsight him holding it up would have been hilarious. However I figured they'd have Cena go over anyway, which can you imagine if Vince actually did that? The heat, my god the heat would have been nuclear against Cena.

Taker/Batista feud was pretty damn good, and I enjoyed their Mania match more than Cena/HBK that year.

 

[MC74]

I remember the same thing that year, and I remember asking a buddy of mine how Taker was gonna go for the spinner title, which in hindsight him holding it up would have been hilarious. However I figured they'd have Cena go over anyway, which can you imagine if Vince actually did that? The heat, my god the heat would have been nuclear against Cena.

Taker/Batista feud was pretty damn good, and I enjoyed their Mania match more than Cena/HBK that year.

Unfortunately, they would make that very mistake with the company's future face, Roman Reigns. The heat for sure would've been just as nuclear, if not worse.

Agreed on the Taker/Batista match take, as I enjoyed that one more than the Cena vs HBK one too.