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I haven't been able to play anything requiring a network connection since yesterday, and Sony so far haven't said anything about it.

Everyone seems to suspect a DDOS attack or some other breach. Hopefully not another 23 day outage like in the past...
 
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Ouch, not a good sign for Sony. Hopefully they're back up and running soon! Not saying anything definitely reeks of an attack of some kind, though, I would agree.
 
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Mine was down last night - though it does seem to be gradually returning as mine has been back since this morning, and I have quite a few friends online playing games.
 

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It came back up around 7pm or something. I haven't seen an explanation as to what went wrong. :shrug

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i wonder if it was some type of cyberattack--sony is particularly notorious for falling prey to those. the most infuriating part was that the PSN outage prevented using ANY type of service that required internet access, just specifically PSN. it's a bad system when you can stream something on crunchyroll just fine, as long as you close the popup telling you there's an outage every 5 seconds. and i was able to keep streaming apple music with no problem, as long as i accessed it from the menu and not from the console app.

this is what we're paying for?????????
 

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i wonder if it was some type of cyberattack--sony is particularly notorious for falling prey to those. the most infuriating part was that the PSN outage prevented using ANY type of service that required internet access, just specifically PSN. it's a bad system when you can stream something on crunchyroll just fine, as long as you close the popup telling you there's an outage every 5 seconds. and i was able to keep streaming apple music with no problem, as long as i accessed it from the menu and not from the console app.

this is what we're paying for?????????
Microsoft was apparently hit with a huge DDoS attack over Christmas, so everyone assumes it's the same deal. Of course, they'll never tell us that because lol transparency.

I really do appreciate the convenience of having everything digital, being able to access my library from anywhere, not have to dedicate space to a physical collection, but it sure does sting when "whoopsie no PSN" can effectively kill a console.
 

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I really do appreciate the convenience of having everything digital, being able to access my library from anywhere, not have to dedicate space to a physical collection, but it sure does sting when "whoopsie no PSN" can effectively kill a console.
Yeah this is where I'm at too. I might try to hunt down discs for my favorite games and hope I can find them cheap. It feels silly to buy them twice, but you know Sony will eventually stop supporting the PS5, and then what?
 

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Yeah this is where I'm at too. I might try to hunt down discs for my favorite games and hope I can find them cheap. It feels silly to buy them twice, but you know Sony will eventually stop supporting the PS5, and then what?
I assume "end of support" means they're just not actively releasing titles for whatever console generation, repairs, etc. I know they stated they're stopping support for PS4 in 2026 sometime, but I doubt that means they're removing access to those games.

I would like to further assume that they've locked themselves in to continuing backwards compatibility for future console versions, now that they finally got everything back to PS1 titles working. It's probably further locking us into continued online services though, as they're all emulated downloads and don't work off of the physical medium.

Also I'm just laugh-crying at "it feels silly to buy them twice" when we're stuck in the era of Skyrim and Grand Theft Auto 5, which released in 2011 and 2013 respectively... Literally, those came out when we were all still active on original GW as barely-not teens. I believe I got the PS5 versions of both for free from Playstation Plus, as opposed to having to actually buy them again, which is a small bonus... But it's again locking me in to continued subscription or else I'd lose those. Probably not great examples as I haven't touched either in year and just own them because I can, but still...

It's probably all a DRM thing for them, though. It's got to be infinitely easier to stop people pirating your software if you require that they be online when using it. Gone are the days of your friend from class burning a copy of Bushido Blade, holding the PS1 disc-tray button down with a BIC pen, and swapping between discs specifically when the drive speeds changed... Even more so if it came to modifying the console with a chip itself, I bet they've got diagnostics that would flag that immediately.

This is why we can't steal have nice things.
 

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I assume "end of support" means they're just not actively releasing titles for whatever console generation, repairs, etc. I know they stated they're stopping support for PS4 in 2026 sometime, but I doubt that means they're removing access to those games.
That's a lot of faith in Sony. If you don't happen to already have the game downloaded, will you be able to download it again? How long until the authentication quits working entirely?

IMO they'll keep it going until they can get away with shutting it off. They already tried to turn off the PS3 store years ago and it's only still around today due to backlash.


I would like to further assume that they've locked themselves in to continuing backwards compatibility for future console versions, now that they finally got everything back to PS1 titles working. It's probably further locking us into continued online services though, as they're all emulated downloads and don't work off of the physical medium.
Really? If I buy a PS3 digital game, I can play it on the PS5? First I've heard of that. I thought all the old stuff that's available through the store is just particularly popular titles they got working for the PS5, not general backwards compatibility.
 
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Really? If I buy a PS3 digital game, I can play it on the PS5? First I've heard of that. I thought all the old stuff that's available through the store is just particularly popular titles they got working for the PS5, not general backwards compatibility.
PS5 only has general backwards compatibility for PS4, PS3 games are streamable through PS+ i think, and there are some (not all) PS and PS2 games on the psn store
 

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That's a lot of faith in Sony. If you don't happen to already have the game downloaded, will you be able to download it again? How long until the authentication quits working entirely?

IMO they'll keep it going until they can get away with shutting it off. They already tried to turn off the PS3 store years ago and it's only still around today due to backlash.
I didn't mean the old console stores themselves persisting and being able to buy titles ON the old ones, specifically. That'd fall into the support of that generation, which will always eventually end.

I guess I'm thinking of it from corporate software in business angle. Licenses generally come with a limited support life cycle, not just as an incentive to sell an upgrade, but because eventually the majority of employees only understand the new generation systems. If I have a problem with a version of software from 2021, and that company has only been training developers on an entirely new architecture, trying to get anything solved becomes a matter of praying they still have some old dev who remembers it all.

We're probably all acutely aware of turnover in technical jobs. Them keeping anyone around that understood the original Playstation is probably unlikely.

Really? If I buy a PS3 digital game, I can play it on the PS5? First I've heard of that. I thought all the old stuff that's available through the store is just particularly popular titles they got working for the PS5, not general backwards compatibility.
Certainly not everything is on there. They'd only bother with stuff they think it's going to continue to sell, or at least keep people using the service.


Looks like they've got 150 classic titles, and about 393 PS4/PS5 titles.

I guess this post turned into more of a defense of digital VS physical mediums, but I'll qualify my acceptance of digital to have the caveat that they build a strong infrastructure where this doesn't happen and are transparent about service issues when they arise. Sony definitely fucked up the last part, as they've still only explained it as an "operational error".
 

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PS5 only has general backwards compatibility for PS4, PS3 games are streamable through PS+ i think, and there are some (not all) PS and PS2 games on the psn store
Backwards compatibility is a huge selling point for the Xbox consoles. While, not every game is backwards compatible, there is still a solid number and many are quality games. It's biggest reason I'm considering getting an Xbox One. And it's not like the PS3 where is just takes the game straight, there are actual improvements to framerate and resolution.



You can either buy the digital versions (some games were apparently removed from the store at some point) or pop in the original discs and let the emulation program they're using do the work.

I'd get a Series X if it didn't cost two or three times as much as a Xbox One (depending on the version). But the Series S/X has nothing worth buying over an Xbox One for.
 

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Backwards compatibility is a huge selling point for the Xbox consoles. While, not every game is backwards compatible, there is still a solid number and many are quality games. It's biggest reason I'm considering getting an Xbox One.
Take a close look at that backwards compatibility list. There are really not that many worthwhile titles on it, and some of the titles that ARE worthwhile come with caveats that affect gameplay (like GTAIV).

I bought one thinking of all of the great Xbox and 360 games I could play, and then when I started looking up all of those games, most of them weren't compatible. Ended up returning the Xbox One before even opening it.

Yeah this is where I'm at too. I might try to hunt down discs for my favorite games and hope I can find them cheap. It feels silly to buy them twice, but you know Sony will eventually stop supporting the PS5, and then what?
This is why I only buy physical. I bought a bunch of games on the Wii Shop, and when they discontinued that service, I learned from my mistake. These are corporations. They only care about profits. They'll shut down online stores eventually when it serves them to. At least with physical, you always know you can play it, one way or another.
 

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Take a close look at that backwards compatibility list. There are really not that many worthwhile titles on it, and some of the titles that ARE worthwhile come with caveats that affect gameplay (like GTAIV).

I bought one thinking of all of the great Xbox and 360 games I could play, and then when I started looking up all of those games, most of them weren't compatible. Ended up returning the Xbox One before even opening it.
There are an absurd amount of compatible games that I own that are at the very least backwards compatible with slight improvements and then there are a solid number that also get a Xbox One X boost.

Not to mention, some games on the Xbox One that I kinda want to play (even if some are on Steam)...
 

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There are an absurd amount of compatible games that I own that are at the very least backwards compatible with slight improvements and then there are a solid number that also get a Xbox One X boost.

Not to mention, some games on the Xbox One that I kinda want to play (even if some are on Steam)...
Fair enough, I'm just saying because a fair number of the Xbox OG games you recommended to me before weren't playable
 

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Fair enough, I'm just saying because a fair number of the Xbox OG games you recommended to me before weren't playable
I looked through the thread you posted last year regarding OG Xbox, and the only game I specifically mentioned in that thread was Crimson Skies, which IS playable all the way to the Series X. I see others mentioned more titles.

You were looking for exclusives that weren't racing games (or fighting games), so I provided a solid one that you wouldn't have initially considered (since I'm sure EVERYONE knows about Halo). I can recommend some other titles, but outside of Ninja Gaiden Black, Forza, PGR, Halo, or Dead or Alive, few will be exclusives. A decent number of backwards compatible OG Xbox games may have been released on the PC as well. I can look through what I have and see what I can rec that is backwards compatible.

Panzer Dragoon Orta for starters looks to be backwards compatible, but that actually is Xbox exclusive.

I can do more on that original thread, since this is PS exclusive, but since you chose to return your XBONE, I assume you're no longer interested?
 

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I looked through the thread you posted last year regarding OG Xbox, and the only game I specifically mentioned in that thread was Crimson Skies, which IS playable all the way to the Series X. I see others mentioned more titles.

You were looking for exclusives that weren't racing games (or fighting games), so I provided a solid one that you wouldn't have initially considered (since I'm sure EVERYONE knows about Halo). I can recommend some other titles, but outside of Ninja Gaiden Black, Forza, PGR, Halo, or Dead or Alive, few will be exclusives. A decent number of backwards compatible OG Xbox games may have been released on the PC as well. I can look through what I have and see what I can rec that is backwards compatible.

Panzer Dragoon Orta for starters looks to be backwards compatible, but that actually is Xbox exclusive.

I can do more on that original thread, since this is PS exclusive, but since you chose to return your XBONE, I assume you're no longer interested?
I thought you recommended Crimson Sea too, which isn't playable. The GTA games also replace the Xbox versions with the modern remakes. Some others, like Fable and OG Ninja Gaiden Black don't work.

I plan to start collecting OG Xbox at some point, but probably not for a couple of years at least.
 

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Some others, like Fable and OG Ninja Gaiden Black don't work.
According to Wikpedia, Ninja Gaiden BLACK is playable up to the Series X, it got a 4K resolution boost no less. The original Xbox Ninja Gaiden isn't backwards compatible, but Black is the version you should be playing anyway. Also, Fable isn't backwards compatible, but Fable Anniversary for the 360 is.


I thought you recommended Crimson Sea too, which isn't playable.
I've never played that game.
 
I just can't get too upset about how everything played out. We lost 1 day of PSN and got 5 back.

I get what people are saying about ownership of games and backwards compatibility, but I've never been at a point in my life where I've run out of games to play. Sure, it might be nice to be able to play every game I've ever owned across every system, but I'm not sure how much I would ever actually do that. I tend to play them when they get re-released. I think if I had a library of that many games, I might play one once in a while, but I'd probably stick with trying games I've never played before.
 

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According to Wikpedia, Ninja Gaiden BLACK is playable up to the Series X, it got a 4K resolution boost no less. The original Xbox Ninja Gaiden isn't backwards compatible, but Black is the version you should be playing anyway. Also, Fable isn't backwards compatible, but Fable Anniversary for the 360 is.
My memory is butts. I thought it was Sigma that was playable, but Black that wasn't. Good catch on Fable Anniversary being playable. Wasn't aware that even released on the 360. I'll have to see the differences.
I've never played that game
My bad. I was sure there was a second game you referenced that wasn't BC, but I can't remember what it was. I guess I was mistaken. I remember going through a list of my wants after I first bought the XSX (or whatever the fuck it's called) and deciding there was too much missing to be worthwhile.

Oh! Jet Set Radio Future is one that's not BC.
 

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I just can't get too upset about how everything played out. We lost 1 day of PSN and got 5 back.
Losing access to the store or online play or whatever is one thing, but Sony sells a version of the console which doesn't play discs at all, and that was essentially bricked during the outage. IMO that needs to not happen, and extra days of PS+ don't address that problem at all. We all know Sony and Microsoft would love to kill discs entirely. What then?

I get what people are saying about ownership of games and backwards compatibility, but I've never been at a point in my life where I've run out of games to play. Sure, it might be nice to be able to play every game I've ever owned across every system, but I'm not sure how much I would ever actually do that. I tend to play them when they get re-released. I think if I had a library of that many games, I might play one once in a while, but I'd probably stick with trying games I've never played before.
That's a fair point. It's more about the principle of it for me I guess. So much tech can just be bricked by the manufacturer at their whim with no warning nowadays and it causes a lot of problems.

I'm actually fine with consoles not being backwards compatible. My point was only that it's not an answer to older consoles not working anymore.
 
Losing access to the store or online play or whatever is one thing, but Sony sells a version of the console which doesn't play discs at all, and that was essentially bricked during the outage. IMO that needs to not happen, and extra days of PS+ don't address that problem at all. We all know Sony and Microsoft would love to kill discs entirely. What then?
Is that what happened to people? My understanding is that if it's your primary console, you can still play everything offline.

I have two PS5s, and I think I was playing the one that wasn't my primary. I initially logged in and it said I couldn't play the game I had downloaded. Then I logged out, logged back in, and it worked.
 

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Is that what happened to people? My understanding is that if it's your primary console, you can still play everything offline.

I have two PS5s, and I think I was playing the one that wasn't my primary. I initially logged in and it said I couldn't play the game I had downloaded. Then I logged out, logged back in, and it worked.
It weirdly worked for some people in some cases, but I know some people who couldn't play anything even though it's their only PS5 and they can typically play all the games on the console, even those belonging to other profiles. I think it still needs to connect to confirm you haven't made another console your primary one. I suppose I can take mine offline and try it later.
 

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It weirdly worked for some people in some cases, but I know some people who couldn't play anything even though it's their only PS5 and they can typically play all the games on the console, even those belonging to other profiles. I think it still needs to connect to confirm you haven't made another console your primary one. I suppose I can take mine offline and try it later.
I think it was more something regarding having title sharing turned on, where others on the and console can access your library on the same console, not necessarily if it was your primary console or not. If you don't have that off, you couldn't play anything.

I'd have to go look at what the actual setting was.
 
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