Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 3 Day 2

[A Punched Face]

Still have the possibility that CG is coupled with a wolf and didn't actually have a bellringer read the first night.

Also could have gotten really lucky and we have either a fool or a headhunter, and a random lynch could end the game.


Since it takes 5 votes to lynch and the wolves only have 4, if everyone else officially votes to not lynch then the wolves don't get a free day kill and they have no powers left.

 

[Jawneh]

Why was Jon so attached to this sorc thing though?

The smallest silliest things sometimes are very important. No reason why. They just are

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Have I mentioned how much I hate the Shadow Wolf?

 

[Jon]

Why was Jon so attached to this sorc thing though?

Because my math was questioned... and I was working through it? It's resolved and over with now, or would you like to turn this into another "Quagmire said shadow wolf" thing?

People aren't allowed to make mistakes?

 

[A Punched Face]

Why was Jon so attached to this sorc thing though?

Both him and Jawneh seemed to bring that up separately though, right? Like they had a plan that could have been thrown off by not being able to talk during the day and not anticipating a third wolf would die and be revealed to show what all the roles are?

 

[Local Hero]

Since it takes 5 votes to lynch and the wolves only have 4, if everyone else officially votes to not lynch then the wolves don't get a free day kill and they have no powers left.

Less votes to best the wolves if you count Christina's preacher ability.

...Which I'm just realizing this can't be confirmed to break a tie with shadow in effect

 

[Jawneh]

People aren't allowed to make mistakes?

From my experience last game, lolno.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Since it takes 5 votes to lynch and the wolves only have 4, if everyone else officially votes to not lynch then the wolves don't get a free day kill and they have no powers left.

I agree with this. We have overwhelming numbers right now, but if we lynch the wrong person that gives the wolves a closer chance.. I'm completely down with a no vote.

 

[Jon]

Both him and Jawneh seemed to bring that up separately though, right? Like they had a plan that could have been thrown off by not being able to talk during the day and not anticipating a third wolf would die and be revealed to show what all the roles are?

You're right, I must be the shadow wolf. You should vote for me. I'm THAT inept.

 

[Local Hero]

People aren't allowed to make mistakes?

 

[Jawneh]

Don't be mean to Quaqmire.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

People aren't allowed to make mistakes?

 

[Local Hero]

Don't be mean to Quaqmire.

I would never

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I voted no vote.

SKIP

 

[Local Hero]

Voting no vote guarantees a wolf lynch?

 

[A Punched Face]

Less votes to best the wolves if you count Christina's preacher ability.

...Which I'm just realizing this can't be confirmed to break a tie with shadow in effect

We don't need to break a tie. If everyone who isn't a wolf votes for no one then there's not enough votes to lynch anyone and no one gets lynched.

 

[Christina]

Still have the possibility that CG is coupled with a wolf and didn't actually have a bellringer read the first night.

Also could have gotten really lucky and we have either a fool or a headhunter, and a random lynch could end the game.


Since it takes 5 votes to lynch and the wolves only have 4, if everyone else officially votes to not lynch then the wolves don't get a free day kill and they have no powers left.

The problem here is the alchemist. So we have a wolf kill tonight and 2 alchemist kills maybe tomorrow.

 

[A Punched Face]

You're right, I must be the shadow wolf. You should vote for me. I'm THAT inept.

You could be the berserk wolf. Not saying who is who in this theory.

 

[A Punched Face]

The problem here is the alchemist. So we have a wolf kill tonight and 2 alchemist kills maybe tomorrow.

Do you have a guaranteed bad person for us all to lynch?

 

[Local Hero]

We don't need to break a tie. If everyone who isn't a wolf votes for no one then there's not enough votes to lynch anyone and no one gets lynched.

Correct, but it could be a strategy (now or future) for shadow to claim preacher. Since the vote is hidden, we can't verify if their power was used or not.

 

[Ants!]

Sounds like some of you should have played more Math Homework 64.

 

[A Punched Face]

Correct, but it could be a strategy (now it future) for shadow to claim preacher. Since the vote is hidden, we can't verify if there power was used or now

Preacher works every day. If Christina is who she says then she'll have one extra (at least) vote for the rest of the game (though it won't show in the poll, just would be used to break a tie if we have one, or get over the hump to lynch if there's not enough votes).

 

[Local Hero]

Preacher works every day. If Christina is who she says then she'll have one extra (at least) vote for the rest of the game (though it won't show in the poll, just would be used to break a tie if we have one, or get over the hump to lynch if there's not enough votes).

Sorry, thought it was one time use

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Voting no vote guarantees a wolf lynch?

No, voting no vote guarantees the wolves don't get an easy lynch on a rogue townie.

Lynch requires 5 votes. Wolves can only account for 4. Also, wolves can't talk to each other.

 

[Jon]

You could be the berserk wolf. Not saying who is who in this theory.

You're right...

@Jawneh our jig is up. We've been successfully outed. We better make sure we don't vote for ourselves in this shadowing we did. Wouldn't want to prove our innocence by death.

 

[Ben]

We don't need to break a tie. If everyone who isn't a wolf votes for no one then there's not enough votes to lynch anyone and no one gets lynched.

Unless someone got cupid coupled to a wolf though, right? Then they may be able to get more than 4 votes.

 

[shortkut]

@Local Hero @Jon @Kat @Ben

Still waiting on gifs

 

[Jon]

It's half the remaining players rounded down. I always took that to mean it would be 4 with 10 players left. But I've never paid attention to if that only matters to fractional results.

Seems overtly silly for the wolves to not check how many votes would be needed before blowing their wad, but that's me.

I've been wrong before... even though we're not allowed to be.

 

[shortkut]

It's half the remaining players rounded down. I always took that to mean it would be 4 with 10 players left. But I've never paid attention to if that only matters to fractional results.

Seems overtly silly for the wolves to not check how many votes would be needed before blowing their wad, but that's me.

I've been wrong before... even though we're not allowed to be.

Stop ignoring me, bitch

 

[Jon]

@Local Hero @Jon @Kat @Ben

Still waiting on gifs

You're not getting one from me. I can't talk to the dead so.

 

[shortkut]

@Local Hero @Kat @Ben

 

[A Punched Face]

It's half the remaining players rounded down. I always took that to mean it would be 4 with 10 players left. But I've never paid attention to if that only matters to fractional results.

Seems overtly silly for the wolves to not check how many votes would be needed before blowing their wad, but that's me.

I've been wrong before... even though we're not allowed to be.

Half of 10 is 5 why would you round down from a while number

 

[A Punched Face]

Whole number

 

[Jon]

Half of 10 is 5 why would you round down from a while number

Like I said, I've never paid attention to whether it was only rounded when it's a fractional result. I swear I've seen Zell round down with whole numbers to avoid this EXACT scenario.

But again, I can't conrim. Just throwing it out there as an observation.

Or is that not allowed either?

 

[A Punched Face]

Unless someone got cupid coupled to a wolf though, right? Then they may be able to get more than 4 votes.

What a way for them to confirm there's a Cupid (unless the alchemist somehow votes with them) and that one of the paired is a wolf.

 

[A Punched Face]

Like I said, I've never paid attention to whether it was only rounded when it's a fractional result. I swear I've seen Zell round down with whole numbers to avoid this EXACT scenario.

But again, I can't conrim. Just throwing it out there as an observation.

Or is that not allowed either?

It's allowed I'm just confused as to why, especially after I believe Ants confirmed it was 5.

 

[Jon]

It's allowed I'm just confused as to why, especially after I believe Ants confirmed it was 5.

Tommy's death brings it down to ten players. I think the vote is still 5 but either Benzine or Zell are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Also about the discussing votes publicly thing. I thought the same as Jon but I've never heard a hard rule on it and what you're all saying about lying about your vote makes sense. I'll make an executive decision here with Benzine sleeping and allow it.

He said he THINKS

 

[Jawneh]

You're right...

@Jawneh our jig is up. We've been successfully outed. We better make sure we don't vote for ourselves in this shadowing we did. Wouldn't want to prove our innocence by death.

But I've been up front about myself the whole game though? I'm the ritualist.

 

[Ben]

@Local Hero @Kat @Ben

I don't know anything about the dead thread, so shrug? I can only assume you were referencing your favorite movie.

 

[A Punched Face]

He said he THINKS

How can you round from a whole number though? You're supposed to round TO a whole number.

Last game day 4: 10 players remaining 5 votes required.

 

[Ants!]

He said he THINKS

I said I think because I can't remember if it's rounded down or minus one. Alu is right: you don't round down whole numbers.

5.5 rounded down is 5.

5 rounded down is 5.

What you're thinking of isn't rounding down but just minus one.

 

[Ants!]

Last game day 4: 10 players remaining 5 votes required.

If that's what it was last game then that confirms it for this one too.

5 votes to lynch today.

 

[Local Hero]

@Local Hero @Kat @Ben

 

[Christina]

Ok. So the wolves biggest play here with their 4 votes, is to just not have a wolves lynched. They will jump on any vote that is non wolf to push it over.

The alchemist is just praying they don't end up collateral damage at this point. Because the wolves have no seer. They don't know the townie rolls or who is the alchemist anymore than we do.

So the alchemist could put a vote out for the wolves to jump onto, which as long as they didn't pick a wolf, would be a garentee jump on it from the wolves and a townie gets lynched.

But people be liars.

I don't know what to do with this thought process I'm going down other than to be suspicious of anybody really giving a name of who they are voting for. Which does the town no good.

 

[Jon]

I still vote for Benzine.

 

[canadaguy]

How can you round from a whole number though? You're supposed to round TO a whole number.

Last game day 4: 10 players remaining 5 votes required.

Rounding to the nearest multiple of 4

 

[A Punched Face]

Ok. So the wolves biggest play here with their 4 votes, is to just not have a wolves lynched. They will jump on any vote that is non wolf to push it over.

The alchemist is just praying they don't end up collateral damage at this point. Because the wolves have no seer. They don't know the townie rolls or who is the alchemist anymore than we do.

So the alchemist could put a vote out for the wolves to jump onto, which as long as they didn't pick a wolf, would be a garentee jump on it from the wolves and a townie gets lynched.

But people be liars.

I don't know what to do with this thought process I'm going down other than to be suspicious of anybody really giving a name of who they are voting for. Which does the town no good.

The wolves also can't coordinate in their chat at this point, so either they would have a predetermined target or they'd need to hope they both pick the same person.

 

[A Punched Face]

Trailed off there, or they could try to signal each other somehow.

 

[Christina]

That's right. I forgot they don't have their chat. Which means at this point they are either trying to signal something, or they too are just hoping for no lynch.

 

[shortkut]

@canadaguy @Al hominem @Fool's Requiem

I have come to the conclusion that none of Ben, Jon, jawneh, or local can actually speak to the dead. It’s ludicrous that @Jawneh would think he could trick us

Edit: added in local