Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 2 Day 2

[Local Hero]

So basically both dimmerwit and Jon could literally be anything. Just not at the same time. Glad we've cleared that up.

 

[Ants!]

Also if they managed to switch it to the gunners target before the gunner was shot I'd assume the trickster and gunner would be coupled. You'd have to make the selection as the trickster wolf prior to the killing action taking place.

(I was a trickster wolf in a couple in the last game and had to remind myself to not use it on the target zell was about to shoot)

Not if it's public knowledge about who the gunner is going to shoot, like a ton of people saying "shoot Jon".

So Zell was the detective. For us to be all up in arms about a trickster wolf, it means the trickster wolf switched with dimmerwit before Zell's check.

The subterfuge still works if it was done after. Dimmerwit could have been good and Jon could have been wolf or evil, then Dimmerwit became the trickster after Zell's check. That would still leave Jon as the Other.

 

[A Punched Face]

He could be solo too, or hell dimmer could have been a solo

True. Dimmerwit could have been the solo killer (and perhaps a different wolf, I don't know if the trickster can swap with a different wolf actually) and Jon could still be town. I just think it's very unlikely to have hit the real trickster on a day 1 lynch.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I respect the pettiness

You better, you're the other one on my list

 

[Ants!]

But I don't believe he is either, based on his posts

I actually think so too, based on his behavior last game. Unless he could be more chipper about being SK...

 

[VashTheStampede]

I actually think so too, based on his behavior last game. Unless he could be more chipper about being SK...

He claims he'd be a lot quieter due to fear

Personally I dunno about that. I find being a solo way more freeing because the odds of winning are so low and I don't have a team to worry about letting down

 

[Jon]

So Zell was the detective. For us to be all up in arms about a trickster wolf, it means the trickster wolf switched with dimmerwit before Zell's check.

The switch only happens as the person is killed.

That's my point. If you are saying dimmerwit was a townie after all that was switch, then you are saying Jon isn't good.

What does @Jon Think about that?

I'm reading it wrong then. Are people trying to argue anything other than Jon not being town at this point? Otherwise Zells read tells us that if we assume dimmerwit was not the real trickster (which is decently likely)

All these are correct and what I stated above.

Zell's read was a night one random number selection. With him proven to be the detective with his death, it proves his blind read was people's ACTUAL roles. Dimmerwit is the real trickster and I am on a different team than him. Again, I can't yet prove I am not a solo, so you either have to take my word for it or not. Can't help you there, but I'll answer questions.

 

[Local Hero]

All these are correct and what I stated above.

Zell's read was a night one random number selection. With him proven to be the detective with his death, it proves his blind read was people's ACTUAL roles. Dimmerwit is the real trickster and I am on a different team than him. Again, I can't yet prove I am not a solo, so you either have to take my word for it or not. Can't help you there, but I'll answer questions.

It does not prove Dimmerwit is the real trickster.

He could be an actual townie and you could be wolf or solo

 

[Local Hero]

Dimmer could also be solo and you wolf or townie.

 

[Jon]

True. Dimmerwit could have been the solo killer (and perhaps a different wolf, I don't know if the trickster can swap with a different wolf actually) and Jon could still be town. I just think it's very unlikely to have hit the real trickster on a day 1 lynch.

Role specifies non-wolf.

@Benzine - does the trickster target fizzle upon death?

I'd ask @Zell 17 , but he's dead now. Unless it's ok for him to answer a rules question.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Zell's read was a night one random number selection. With him proven to be the detective with his death, it proves his blind read was people's ACTUAL roles. Dimmerwit is the real trickster

This is a leap in logic, though the rest of your post makes sense

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Another concern is (as Zell brought up yesterday) a shaman wolf also obfuscating shit on Night 1

 

[VashTheStampede]

Role specifies non-wolf.

@Benzine - does the trickster target fizzle upon death?

I'd ask @Zell 17 , but he's dead now. Unless it's ok for him to answer a rules question.

It's not Zell's game, it's Benzines interpretation of his game

 

[Local Hero]

Role specifies non-wolf.

No it doesn't.

Detective
Aura: Good
At night, can check if two other players are from the same team. The Detective is only told if the players belong to the same team or not. Teams are typically: Villagers, Wolves, Fool, Solo killer. Ability is used at night by PMing the names of the two players the detective wishes to check.

It says "same team" teams could be wolf, town, or solos

 

[Jon]

It does not prove Dimmerwit is the real trickster.

He could be an actual townie and you could be wolf or solo

So you're assuming the Trickster would have switched to dimmerwit before the lynch? I suppose.

I choose to trust Zell's read. And if not a wolf, dimmer was a solo role.

 

[Jon]

No it doesn't.

I was responding to Alu about the trickster. He cannot target a wolf with his power.

 

[Local Hero]

So you're assuming the Trickster would have switched to dimmerwit before the lynch? I suppose.

I choose to trust Zell's read. And if not a wolf, dimmer was a solo role.

Yeah, not only is it possible but it's probable.

We had like 12 hours of dimmerwit having the most votes before the day ended. The wolves very easily could identify the big brain strategy of PMing Benzine to target dimmerwit with trickster wolf.

 

[Jon]

Sure. So I will let you all make up your minds about me then. I've claimed villager. My role is claimed as well. It's also not one I'd personally gravitate to if I was trying to hide.

 

[Christina]

Yeah, not only is it possible but it's probable.

We had like 12 hours of dimmerwit having the most votes before the day ended. The wolves very easily could identify the big brain strategy of PMing Benzine to target dimmerwit with trickster wolf.

But the detective read was last night. So again, if you are saying it happened, then you are implying Jon is wolf,solo role and/or dimmerwit was solo role.

So people can decide if they are really all freaked out about a trickster and the seer reads being worthless or not.

 

[Jon]

@Local Hero who was your target last night?

 

[VashTheStampede]

@Local Hero who was your target last night?

Fools don't get targets, Jon

 

[Jon]

Fools don't get targets, Jon

I'm giving him a chance to keep his cover lol

 

[Benzine]

Role specifies non-wolf.

@Benzine - does the trickster target fizzle upon death?

I'd ask @Zell 17 , but he's dead now. Unless it's ok for him to answer a rules question.

Benzine is the trickster. Benzine tricksters Jon. Benzine takes a bullet to the head. Jon is not the trickster.

 

[Quagmire]

True. Dimmerwit could have been the solo killer (and perhaps a different wolf, I don't know if the trickster can swap with a different wolf actually) and Jon could still be town. I just think it's very unlikely to have hit the real trickster on a day 1 lynch.

Zell would know....wait never mind

 

[Jon]

Benzine is the trickster. Benzine tricksters Jon. Benzine takes a bullet to the head. Jon is not the trickster.

So it does fizzle. Good to know. Thank you sir.

 

[Jawneh]

I'm here! And not muted!

Fuck you Vash lol.

i need to go sit in the nearest restroom for a short while, but i will be back to absorb all of today after.

 

[Christina]

I'm here! And not muted!

Fuck you Vash lol.

i need to go sit in the nearest restroom for a short while, but i will be back to absorb all of today after.

I don't suppose your a seer?

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm here! And not muted!

Fuck you Vash lol.

i need to go sit in the nearest restroom for a short while, but i will be back to absorb all of today after.

Ok but when you get back I need your thoughts on Cyclops to know if I should feel guilty for you being my random mute

 

[Local Hero]

@Local Hero who was your target last night?

Wouldn't you like to know

 

[Local Hero]

But the detective read was last night. So again, if you are saying it happened, then you are implying Jon is wolf,solo role and/or dimmerwit was solo role.

So people can decide if they are really all freaked out about a trickster and the seer reads being worthless or not.

I'm so confused by this.

I'm saying, as per Zell's read, dimmerwit and Jon are on different teams.

Yes it's possible that dimmerwit was THE trickster wolf (in which case Jon is either town or solo), but it's just as likely that dimmerwit was town or solo and Jon is wolf or solo.

Zell's read is accurate, they're in different teams, but (if dimmerwit was not wolf) trickster power was able to be moved towards dimmerwit once it was likely he would be lynched to sow confusion.

 

[A Punched Face]

So it does fizzle. Good to know. Thank you sir.

What do you mean fizzle? It doesn't change anything until a person is killed who was tagged. If the real trickster is killed before using the power successfully no one else would ever appear to be the trickster.

 

[Jon]

What do you mean fizzle? It doesn't change anything until a person is killed who was tagged. If the real trickster is killed before using the power successfully no one else would ever appear to be the trickster.

Benzine is saying that if the trickster dies before the person they targeted dies, the ability doesn't go off.

Doesn't change anything in this situation, just in general. The only thing in this game that it affects is if dimmer is THE trickster, then his power is now dead with him. That's all.

 

[Banana]

this conversation is a bit hard to follow to so for now im going to focus on what i was tagged on.

@Banana the whole game got a whole new layer of confusing with the revelation of the wolf trickster, so if you were already frazzled yesterday, it's only going to get worse lol.

this makes me feel much better. i read that role like five times and i was still very confused. but it seems like im not the only one so i guess i feel a bit better.

Also @Banana we need to know what you did/didn't do last night. You mentioned having a killing role and that's invaluable to the town if you're a villager.

@Banana did you decide against killing Local last night?

soooo i started to have doubts about killing local hero but then when everyone said it would be fine to accidentally kill a townie that is what i set out to do.

but when the night started benzine told me that i had been targeted by the nightmare wolf so i couldnt kill him last night.

 

[A Punched Face]

But the detective read was last night. So again, if you are saying it happened, then you are implying Jon is wolf,solo role and/or dimmerwit was solo role.

So people can decide if they are really all freaked out about a trickster and the seer reads being worthless or not.

This is exactly what people are saying. The odds of hitting someone who was trickstered on day 1 are much higher than hitting the actual trickster. If Jon is a townie, then it most likely means dimmerwit was solo.

Is it possible that he was the real trickster wolf? Yes. But it's more likely than not that he wasn't.

Also all I was trying to get across initially is that because there was a trickster wolf confirmed we can't trust aura reads anymore. If dimmerwit was solo there's now an additional wolf possibility of unknown, and if dimmerwit was town there's a possibility of a good.

 

[A Punched Face]

If banana is to be believed then we have two wolf roles confirmed. One is either dead or used up, and the other is half used up.

Preventing a person from using a night kill they said they were going to use is a good use of nightmare.

 

[Jawneh]

I don't suppose your a seer?

Nope, but I maybehaps be of use in some regard in terms of seering things.

Ok but when you get back I need your thoughts on Cyclops to know if I should feel guilty for you being my random mute

I liked playing as him in X-Men Legends in teh GameCube. Character wise, he really should pine less for Jean Grey

 

[Christina]

this conversation is a bit hard to follow

Just the way the wolves like it.

 

[Jon]

Character wise, he really should pine less for Jean Grey

Pine less? My man HAD her. It's that fucking wolverine that pined for her.

 

[Jawneh]

Pine less? My man HAD her. It's that fucking wolverine that pined for her.

Not in my head canon.

 

[Jon]

The only X-Man i might have liked more than Cyclops was Gambit. Either way, Nightcrawler was number 3.

 

[Jon]

Not in my head canon.

You may set yourself up to be muted again.

 

[A Punched Face]

Just the way the wolves like it.

Considering I thought you were the one adding confusion into the conversation...

 

[A Punched Face]

Voting vash for muting out loud.

I'll change it later

 

[Ants!]

Zell's reading is open to interpretation.
My readings are open to interpretation.

Only infallible info we have so far is that Canadaguy is either townie team or solo team but not wolf team.

 

[Local Hero]

Zell's reading is open to interpretation.

No it's not. They're on different teams.

 

[A Punched Face]

Zell's reading is open to interpretation.
My readings are open to interpretation.

Only infallible info we have so far is that Canadaguy is either townie team or solo team but not wolf team.

We also know kut was town, for what it's worth.

 

[A Punched Face]

No it's not. They're on different teams.

But you can interpret what teams they're on differently than someone else might.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I liked playing as him in X-Men Legends in teh GameCube. Character wise, he really should pine less for Jean Grey

I slightly prefer Scott/Emma to Scott/Jean so I hereby apologize for muting you unless you're a wolf

 

[Ants!]

No it's not. They're on different teams.

Yes. And one of them is dead and may or may not have been a wolf. The other is alive and could be townie, solo, or wolf depending on what argument you want to make.

So yes, Zell's reading is open to interpretation. We just have to figure out which scenario is the most likely.

 

[Ants!]

We also know kut was town, for what it's worth.

From what my conservative friends tell me, we can still get him to vote if he was registered democrat in life.

 

[Jawneh]

Alrighty. Lets make things more confusing. Or clearer. Y'all can be the judge of this info. Though I was silenced, I did get to have a nice chat with folks during the night. FrOm BeYoNd ThE GrAvE!!! OoOoOoOoOoOoHhHhhhhh...!

Nonsense alive, here's what I got.

Dimmerwit is still claiming to be a preacher. Seemed convincing enough, but can't really prove this or that.

Zell got his last check in. He said he checked Vash and Kat and they came out as same. Reasoning being trying to also double verify Ants's aura claim of Kat and Vash librarian/voodoo conundrum. So either they're all townie, or all wolves. I guess technically Ants could be solo and pretending to be an aura seer hoping to land a correct claim, but that seems very risky.

There's a revive up on a person. Even if I'm nuked that will still persist. Unless there's enough protection to go around making it worthwhile to tell everyone who it is in, I'll keep it to myself for now.