[Not E-Fed] CM Punk Released From AEW

[Dean]

@Mark

Punk is definitely an opinionated asshole lol. I agree with that. I think he was "trying" to look out for this kid (Jack Perry, who is actor Luke Perry's son in real life btw) by telling him it ain't worth doing real glass spots for a match that isn't even on the paid portion of the show. It was on the free YouTube shit.

Anyway, I think about Braun Strowman a few years ago, getting too rough with Brock Lesnar. Lesnar gave him a couple of real punches to calm him down. Or when Daniel Puder almost broke Kurt Angle's arm during a segment and was thinking he was hot shit. Several wrestlers chopped his chest hard during a match later to humble him and teach him respect.

But honestly, this "argument" got out of hand. They should've handled Punk's stuff a year ago. They either approved of how he conducted himself or didn't. They decided the answer was giving him his own show lol. But it didn't work out, clearly. Glad he's gone now. Maybe things will get better. I just hope Jack Perry doesn't do more stupid things.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Even if he were claiming it as 100% fact, that’s still no reason to take it to a personal place, whether it’s just making comments about him personally or letting it affect you enough personally to make those comments. If you know better, you know better. If y’all have sources to cite, cite them. There’s a right way and a wrong way to go about proving a point, and insulting one another to do it isn’t it.

Don't give me this bullshit, because I don't particularly agree with it when it comes to reading a bunch of excuses and equivocations over someone who assaulted other people, just tell me straight to knock it off and I'll do so - and as I'm doing now.

 

[Mark]

@Mark

Punk is definitely an opinionated asshole lol. I agree with that. I think he was "trying" to look out for this kid (Jack Perry, who is actor Luke Perry's son in real life btw) by telling him it ain't worth doing real glass spots for a match that isn't even on the paid portion of the show. It was on the free YouTube shit.

Yeah, fuck that… it isn’t worth it when candy glass is cheaper. The unfortunate thing is, it could have been viewed as too little too late if he already had a bad rep, and at that point, even if he were right, it could still be viewed as him being a pain in the ass. Classic “boy who cried wolf” syndrome.

Anyway, I think about Braun Strowman a few years ago, getting too rough with Brock Lesnar. Lesnar gave him a couple of real punches to calm him down. Or when Daniel Puder almost broke Kurt Angle's arm during a segment and was thinking he was hot shit. Several wrestlers chopped his chest hard during a match later to humble him and teach him respect.

That’s one of those inevitable things, because although it’s all staged… everyone wants their name in lights and on signs and shirts. No one becomes a wrestler and beats the shit out of themselves to be a filler match or a mid-card match. There IS and WILL be a competitive aspect to it, and people will inevitably push boundaries and require being put in check for it.

But honestly, this "argument" got out of hand. They should've handled Punk's stuff a year ago. They either approved of how he conducted himself or didn't. They decided the answer was giving him his own show lol. But it didn't work out, clearly. Glad he's gone now. Maybe things will get better. I just hope Jack Perry doesn't do more stupid things.

That goes back to the money conversation… if he’s putting asses in seats, whether he’s a heel or face, that’s what matters most… when the asses in seats to backstage drama ratio gets fucked, then we see examples like this. Think about how many wrestlers we saw jump from WCW to WWF when we were kids for the same reason.

Don't give me this bullshit, because I don't particularly agree with it when it comes to reading a bunch of excuses and equivocations over someone who assaulted other people, just tell me straight to knock it off and I'll do so - and as I'm doing now.

If there’s indisputable proof one way or another, y’all are more than welcome to post it. Taking jabs isn’t proving anything other than the fact that you’re resorting to taking jabs over proving a point. I’m not gonna sit here and tell you that you’re wrong for your opinion or he’s wrong for his, but I’m gonna tell you with 100% certainty that taking shots at someone else because they hold a different opinion than you about wrestling is petty. Even if Punk assaulted people and you’re 100% right about everything you’re saying, showing him where he’s wrong with proof is a lot more substantial than just taking shots. I’m sure he’d appreciate being corrected and shown where he’s wrong if he is a lot more than being insulted for not knowing what you know. Anyone can be disrespectful, and people can only learn so much from being disrespected. So, either drop the hostility and go about changing his mind with something other than calling him deranged or his opinion bullshit, or drop the conversation until you’re able to have a civil one. There’s absolutely no need for that kinda hostility, especially when neither of y’all have a dog in the race.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

If there’s indisputable proof one way or another, y’all are more than welcome to post it. Taking jabs isn’t proving anything other than the fact that you’re resorting to taking jabs over proving a point. I’m not gonna sit here and tell you that you’re wrong for your opinion or he’s wrong for his, but I’m gonna tell you with 100% certainty that taking shots at someone else because they hold a different opinion than you about wrestling is petty. Even if Punk assaulted people and you’re 100% right about everything you’re saying, showing him where he’s wrong with proof is a lot more substantial than just taking shots. I’m sure he’d appreciate being corrected and shown where he’s wrong if he is a lot more than being insulted for not knowing what you know. Anyone can be disrespectful, and people can only learn so much from being disrespected. So, either drop the hostility and go about changing his mind with something other than calling him deranged or his opinion bullshit, or drop the conversation until you’re able to have a civil one. There’s absolutely no need for that kinda hostility, especially when neither of y’all have a dog in the race.

Not particularly certain why you decided to chastise me when I felt I was pretty clear that I was indeed disengaging.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

I mildly lied but sometimes you come across something after the fact and gotta post

 

[Mark]

Not particularly certain why you decided to chastise me when I felt I was pretty clear that I was indeed disengaging.

Nobody is chastising you, and if I were… you wouldn’t be questioning why. I tend to be pretty clear when I am. I want you both to be at a place where either side can prove their point without needless conflict, nothing more, nothing less. As it stood… you were the one making it personal, you were the one addressed. @Tubby23 tried defusing the situation in two separate posts and you weren’t having it, and even got disrespectful to him, someone acting as a mediator by sarcastically responding that “(you) don’t think (you) will”. Him saying that should have been your first hint that maybe you were crossing a line. You chose to continue. Did you decide to “disengage” in-between my response? Possibly, but when your response to me is telling me to not give you “bullshit” when I’m trying to diplomatically defuse the situation without having to be Mr. Dickhead Admin because we’re all grown here… that tells me you’ve still got hostility in you, so I addressed it further. Trust me, I don’t wanna have to be “that guy” to ruin people’s debates. I love having them myself, if you haven’t seen. I just can’t condone the same toxic bullshit here that we see on every other social media platform. We’re better than that.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Nobody is chastising you, and if I were… you wouldn’t be questioning why. I tend to be pretty clear when I am. I want you both to be at a place where either side can prove their point without needless conflict, nothing more, nothing less. As it stood… you were the one making it personal, you were the one addressed. @Tubby23 tried defusing the situation in two separate posts and you weren’t having it, and even got disrespectful to him, someone acting as a mediator by sarcastically responding that “(you) don’t think (you) will”. Him saying that should have been your first hint that maybe you were crossing a line. You chose to continue. Did you decide to “disengage” in-between my response? Possibly, but when your response to me is telling me to not give you “bullshit” when I’m trying to diplomatically defuse the situation without having to be Mr. Dickhead Admin because we’re all grown here… that tells me you’ve still got hostility in you, so I addressed it further. Trust me, I don’t wanna have to be “that guy” to ruin people’s debates. I love having them myself, if you haven’t seen. I just can’t condone the same toxic bullshit here that we see on every other social media platform. We’re better than that.

We have two entirely different outlooks on multiple parts of this so I'm just gonna be blunt that in the future, as I would have here, I'd prefer just a straight-up "hey, against the rules, cut it out"; with an addendum that I don't really intend for that to be necessary.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Anyway, beautiful content from all this

 

[VashTheStampede]

Punk was my all-time favorite for a while.

My first favorite wrestler was Mr. Perfect. Then it was Shawn Michaels. Then it was CM Punk.

Up to a certain point I had been a wrestling fan as long as I could remember. Then at one point, WWE was the only easily accessible wrestling program and I was clearly not the intended audience, so I fell away from wrestling for a while, aside from occasionally buying some older DVDs online from Ring of Honor, as that appealed a lot more to me at that point in my life than the kid-focused WWE product.

Punk quickly became one of my favorites on those old RoH DVDs and I would occasionally check in on how he was doing in WWE but he was rarely given a proper spotlight.

Then I tuned in one night because the rumor was that Punk was leaving WWE and I was curious to see what he'd do on the way out. That was the night of the "Pipebomb" promo and I was officially 100% hooked back on wrestling.

I'll always appreciate him for reigniting my love of wrestling and I cannot understate how excited I was when he came back to wrestling with AEW, which has been my favorite wrestling promotion ever. More than RoH, more than even ECW. I was so excited to see Punk feud with my new favorite guys, Kenny Omega and Hangman Page.

REALLY fucking sucks how all that turned out. And honestly he really hurt his legacy in my eyes with how everything went. Depressing.

 

[Dean]

Punk threw fits when the current and future top guys wouldn't listen to him. He threw fits in WWE when the top guys there didn't listen to him. The difference now is he has "fuck you" money and apparently a much shorter fuse. His fighting at All Out last year should have been a big enough warning sign. He wasn't going to stop unless he was made to do so. Instead, Tony ley him keep the title and gave him his own show. He never sat both sides down to force them to either put differences aside and work together. I think having a mediator and trying to work through the issues after last year would have made it abundantly clear if things would ever work out. But instead, he tried separating them on different shows and schedules, but inevitably, two guys who don't like each other and are in the same promotion would see each other at a PPV.

All that being said (and here is where people will probably misunderstand me, but whatever), Jack Perry wasn't innocent. He was told by others not to do the glass spot. Honestly, doing it on the free preshow of a PPV where one of the featured matches that people paid for involved a vehicle being driven on stage and Orange Cassidy doing a big spot with glass - to me, and maybe just me - took away from the show. Jack shouldn't have run his mouth on the PPV about Punk either. He and Nemeth tried to hide behind the "I'm just doing it to get heat" lines about the unprofessional remarks, but there was no program, and no merch was going to be sold, so I don't believe that.

At the end of the day, I think Tony needs to get his staff in order. Yes, Punk was toxic, using physical violence on people who didn't agree with him, but if AEW is going to get better and attract major talent, then I don't think they came out of this looking too great either. Tony took a year to fire Punk or do something about it, and only after other incidents. AEW now has a reputation of having a lot of talent who don't listen to veteran wrestlers or professionals. Firing Punk isn't going to magically get their reputation back. They need to look in the mirror, too.

Punk should stay away from wrestling at this point. I mean, the last time he reportedly showed up backstage at WWE, they told him to leave. He's burned a bunch of bridges there, and he just burned a bridge between himself and AEW and RoH. It's a shame. Like Vash, Punk got me interested in WWE again and kept my interest going (along with AJ Styles) in wrestling in the early 2010s. But he needs to stay clear away. There is no future for him in wrestling.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Some men will literally attack the offspring of former teen heartthrobs rather than go to therapy.

 

[Dean]

The more that comes out about it, the worse Punk sounds, but I also have a general distrust of the reliability of the dirt sheets. They're going off the word of wrestlers with their own biases. I can't wait to hear Punk's side, because even if it is biased, it'll be entertaining.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I want the footage. They had all sorts of cameras backstage at Wembley. It exists. I need it.

 

[Tubby23]

Yeah I want to see the raw footage, if even just so I can resolve in my mind who is in the wrong the most.

Also if Tony has monitors fall on him I want to hear his squeals

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Setting other things aside, Punk is an...interesting case for me.

When I was watching wrestling, back when I was participating in efeds and such (prior to Benoit's horrible shit, which basically sent me packing for a longass time), Punk was a name I knew because of other people mentioning him on message boards but I had no real means of checking out ROH or whatever else that wasn't WWE at that point.

So fast forward to Wrestlemania 30, which I ended up watching quite randomly with some friends. That introduced me to Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson and he made me fall in love with wrestling all over again on that show. After that I learned that I had missed Punk's entire tenure and was actually very sympathetic to him as I learned about the staph infection stuff and even now find that whole thing super fucked up and it's shitty he had to deal with that. In any case, as mentioned earlier, the first time I saw Punk actually do anything was his, uh, less than stellar MMA debut. To be clear I don't begrudge him for trying to live that particular dream, he put in the work but after a wrestling career there was just nothing there. But the fact was he got wrecked and that was my introduction to him.

Fast forwarding to AEW, I was...I'll be honest, I largely didn't care that he was signed. But I was very happy that a lot of his fans were able to get some closure on his career via his first appearance. That was something a lot of folks needed, and it was cool to see that happen.

I did not like him in AEW. He was athletically washed from the get-go, and he by and large wrestled no matches I was impressed by - like Jericho, he mostly landed at "fine" at best for me, largely because if nothing else he had experience and does have a good mind for stuff. I feel his arrival marked a shift in the company to a more WWE-lite direction, and I had stopped watching WWE for a reason. I said earlier that Danielson made me fall in love with wrestling all over again, but it was Kenny Omega and his matches with Okada that actually got me to stay as WWE reached a nadir point that almost caused me to just say fuck it and stop watching altogether yet again. Punk's stuff just isn't what I want out of wrestling in 2023. Didn't like his run, didn't like his matches, didn't like that he put essentially no one over without caveats (I steadfastly do not believe in any kind of "rub" from losing to an old-timer, particularly when that old-timer's last appearances were getting beaten up by tune-up fighters). Tony offering up Page to him is one of the worst decisions he's ever made, and that was before it was made clear that Page would never, ever get his win back.

But whatever. I don't like New Japan a lot of the time during the last few years either. It's easy to tune out what I don't care to see, and Punk seemed to be good for AEW so I just shrugged. Then Brawl Out happened, and frankly speaking Tony should have fired his ass then. But he was a huge Punk mark, who was obviously desperate to try to make things work with him. He gave the dude literally everything he possibly could to try to make him happy in the aftermath - his own show with a curated roster complete with apparent veto powers over other wrestlers' segments, a sweet do-nothing job for his buddy Ace Steel. And then it happened a-fucking-gain, because why the fuck wouldn't it? And I can't even respect Tony for doing the right thing this time, because no part of me believes that some excuses wouldn't have been found if this a) hadn't happened right in front of Tony, b) hadn't apparently been caught on film; and c) had not involved Tony himself to the point where he feared for his safety.

I'm not disappointed in the dude, or even remotely heartbroken that he's gone. I think the most positive thing I can say is that I wish his tenure in AEW had gone more positively, if for no other reason than that would have meant a bunch of other people didn't have to deal with a lot of his toxicity and out-of-date views on how a locker room should be.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Dean]

CM Punk & The Elite Meeting Was Canceled Days Before AEW: All In - Exclusive

CM Punk was terminated by All Elite Wrestling today following an internal investigation into a backstage altercation between him and Jack Perry at AEW: All In London. His termination from the company comes just a few days before the one-year anniversary of his infamous AEW: All Out media scrum, where he denied rumors he held Colt Cabana back in AEW and took aim at The Elite, who he perceived as not capable of leading the company.

Following the scrum, Punk, The Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, and others were involved in a locker room brawl that resulted in those holding titles being stripped of them, and all included being taken off TV. In the months since, tensions between The Elite camp and CM Punk’s have remained frosty, at best. While Punk has been open to clearing the air, he has been told by lawyers that no communication is welcome.

Haus of Wrestling has learned that a sit-down with the relevant members of The Elite, CM Punk, and Tony Khan was scheduled to take place last week, ahead of AEW: All In London, but was called off at the last minute by The Elite’s camp. From what we understand, it was going to take place in Atlanta, and Tony Khan would have been present.

The summit was intended to bury the hatchet between both sides ahead of the historic AEW pay-per-view, and the cancellation of it appears to have added to Punk’s overall frustrations with the situation heading into the event.

Source: Haus Of Wrestling

 

[Joseph Snapple]

I'm glad the Elite never worked with him. They had no obligation to, and there was no benefit to them whatsoever in entering a program with someone so obviously thin-skinned who could give it out but not take it. Punk needed things to work out far, far more than they did as his AEW career ending without a Punk/Elite program would have meant that he actually was that toxic -much like it ended up doing anyway. Laying low was the best thing they could have possibly done over the last several months.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I still wish we could have gotten an angle out of it, and I maintained for months that the Bucks were kinda bitches for not entertaining the idea...but obviously it would never have worked.

As Meltzer so eloquently put it: "Hindsight is always, y'know, whatever."

 

[Joseph Snapple]

I saw Dave's dog for the first time today and he is very adorable.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I hope his name is Scoop

 

[Tubby23]

I hope his name is Scoop

I hope its Kayfabe

 

[Mark]

I'm glad the Elite never worked with him. They had no obligation to, and there was no benefit to them whatsoever in entering a program with someone so obviously thin-skinned who could give it out but not take it. Punk needed things to work out far, far more than they did as his AEW career ending without a Punk/Elite program would have meant that he actually was that toxic -much like it ended up doing anyway. Laying low was the best thing they could have possibly done over the last several months.

We tend to see that a lot across different sports, too… think Antonio Brown most recently. Yeah, his can be attributed to mental health and CTEs… but we all know those exist in wrestling as well, Benoit being one of the most notable cases as you mentioned.

 

[Tubby23]

I'm pretty glad they didn't put MJF straight back against him on his return, this angle with Cole is a lot more interesting and also MJF doesn't get dragged into Punk's mud

 

[VashTheStampede]

More importantly than all of this, the Chicago crowd is chanting MEAT every time Hobbs and Miro hit each other

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Joseph Snapple]

The fact that MJF just straight-up didn't acknowledge him the entire time since his return is extremely funny

More importantly than all of this, the Chicago crowd is chanting MEAT every time Hobbs and Miro hit each other

and yes that owned

 

[Tubby23]

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[Joseph Snapple]

While we're chatting, Kenny/Takeshita is going to be so fucking good.

 

[VashTheStampede]

While we're chatting, Kenny/Takeshita is going to be so fucking good.

Literally bought the PPV for that one match mainly

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Also I'm glad Ricky got a great make-good for Punk imploding in Danielson

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Joseph Snapple]

lol tony making good use of that freed up punk money with final countdown again

 

[Tubby23]

Jon Moxley is what CM Punk thinks he is. Even if he isn't my favourite there's a go that actually loves and works for the betterment of everyone.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Jon Moxley is what CM Punk thinks he is. Even if he isn't my favourite there's a go that actually loves and works for the betterment of everyone.

It's a broken record thing at this point but that "Fragile ego, Fragile body, Weak mind, Weak Spirit" promo has aged finer than any wine ever has

 

[Tubby23]

Body slam.net jumping on the pile

Multiple sources have confirmed to me details about an incident that took place between CM Punk and William Regal, which took place when Regal made his AEW debut. In the altercation between the two men, Punk refused to shake Regal’s hand, and would then get in the legends face, telling him that he did not like him, he did not trust him and that Regal was a “stooge for Triple H.”

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Literally bought the PPV for that one match mainly

Unsurprisingly this completely delivered

 

[Joseph Snapple]

 

[VashTheStampede]

Haha I saw someone mention last night that Ricky Starks didn't have a chance because Bryan always powers up when Punk leaves a company.

 

[Dean]

This is along the lines of what I was saying previously.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

I hope he returns to a Stone Cold style glass break.

 

[VashTheStampede]

"If he never came back" is a stretch for me (first offense and he did something Punk got away with multiple times) but I wholeheartedly agree he should have been suspended.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

And again, for the billionth time: the spot was approved by AEW. It was cancelled only because of Punk, who decided to bitch to the sheets about it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

BTW "cry me a river" was the most milquetoast shitty whiny thing he could have said

He should steer into that and just use a bunch of old timey disses and act like he's dropping hot fire.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

BTW "cry me a river" was the most milquetoast shitty whiny thing he could have said

He should steer into that and just use a bunch of old timey disses and act like he's dropping hot fire.

This is why the seething hatred for Perry at this is so wild to me. The receipt he gave Punk for taking shots at him literally could not have been milder and the only reason they were an issue is because Punk is a fragile hypocrite.

 

[Dean]

And again, for the billionth time: the spot was approved by AEW. It was cancelled only because of Punk, who decided to bitch to the sheets about it.

Didn't a bunch of AEW agents and veterans tell him not to do it, and they asked Punk to talk to him? I'm talking about that first time, on Collision.

 

[Dean]

"If he never came back" is a stretch for me (first offense and he did something Punk got away with multiple times) but I wholeheartedly agree he should have been suspended.

I agree. He doesn't have a history of troublemaking or whatever previously. I'm hoping he learned something from this. The guy has been coming into his own as a heel.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

Didn't a bunch of AEW agents and veterans tell him not to do it, and they asked Punk to talk to him? I'm talking about that first time, on Collision.

As am I.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Didn't a bunch of AEW agents and veterans tell him not to do it, and they asked Punk to talk to him? I'm talking about that first time, on Collision.

That's the way I heard it too

 

[VashTheStampede]

Jungle Jack's new shitty catchphrases:

Cry me a river!
You better watch yourself!
I'm gonna tell on you!
Calm down, Buster Brown!
I'm gonna kick your butt!
I'm the Miz, and I'm AWESOME!