VTS Mafia Mafia Legacy Year (Night 4/Day 4)

[VashTheStampede]

@VashTheStampede

Is the Con Man a one time use or multiple?

One time

 

[shortkut]

Allows for Lawyer/judge shenanigans

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Hey Farva, whats the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?

 

[shortkut]

Hey Farva, whats the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?

I believe it was called @Fool's Requiem is mafia

 

[Jon]

If I remove Zell, I lose my leverage over you. I will state, that once the proper conditions are met, someone will be swapped for Mr. decimal

I obviously missed a HUGE chunk of yesterday at Disney because I have no idea what this means

Saying the request has to come from FR makes no sense because I'm positive FR is mafia with you. I don't know what his t*ll is, but he can't be the bomber. You know FR isn't going to ask you to kill yourself.

You are positively wrong sadly

I am not mafia and if he were he should have no issue at all asking me to

The thing is, kut already subbed himself in yesterday. He didn't affect the vote; rather, he did this to prove his role. It makes no sense that you would claim he's mafia/bomber when he's essentially already proven his role.

I will need to check this as I think I completely missed this part honestly if this is true and I can confirm then I do not have a problem killing myself

One time

Fuck this is why no one else got a tell from him

I was under the impression this whole time based on the wording the con man could do his thing every night

Changes my concepts completely

Based on everything and getting this out before my likely suicide my suspected mafia are Zell Smacktard and Tubby with Alu as the bomber

Honestly sad I will need to off myself to prove something to kut if he really is bailiff and I missed it because it give mafia and bomber a major advantage

 

[shortkut]

Alu proved himself to be the judge yesterday

 

[Jon]

Alu proved himself to be the judge yesterday

All right

I finished reviewing everything I missed in my exhaustion yesterday

Indeed kut and Alu proved they are the bailiff and judge respectively and I COMPLETELY missed it

That is on me and I apologize for the false judgment slinging

That new information around and I can prove who every citizen is but it will take trust

I am lumping mafia and bomber because that is the only thing I cannot separate at this point

Mafia and Bomber

• Smacktard is suspected mafia
• Tubby who is my suspected bomber at this point because I cannot find a discernable tell
• Zell is in my mind confirmed mafia
• Fool is suspected mafia
• Benzine who was the Consiglieri and is dead

Citizens

• Lawyer was Joseph Snapple
• Gumshoe was TD
• Judge is Alu
• Snitch was Local
• Clairvoyant was Dean
• Gypsy was Tommy
• Foreman is me
• Angry Man was Jawneh
• Bailiff is Kut
• Librarian is canadaguy
• Vigilante was Kat

@shortkut You do not need to believe me and I will still violate my tell if you request it but with both zell and tubby on my jury I will die if you do not intervene and remove zell

If you stand true to your position then I am dead anyway and will prove myself to you and my only request be that you go get those dirty mafia peoples because I know I am right lol

 

[shortkut]

@canadaguy hypothetically, if you were on this jury, how would you vote?

 

[Tubby23]

I've got to take my fiance for some blood tests but I have read the thread. Jon has some things correct in my view however he also has my role wrong.

Currently leaning towards a not guilty vote.

I was wrong Jon when I said it was indisputable.

 

[shortkut]

I've got to take my fiance for some blood tests but I have read the thread. Jon has some things correct in my view however he also has my role wrong.

Currently leaning towards a not guilty vote.

I was wrong Jon when I said it was indisputable.

Make a vote, you stingray worshipping heathen!

 

[Jon]

I will also add that even though the bomber has not triggered a bomb today likely to keep blame on me that they still could have tagged someone

That or they tagged me to kill me with a bomb if I survive the trial since I cannot be killed in jail

Additionally yesterday all remaining citizens posted less than zell and tubby thus leading us to be in danger of being tagged if either is indeed the bomber as they both made 30 posts

Which is proof they are mafia or bomber because they know canadaguy would shush them

The bomber can also tag someone who posts less than them today thus killing two of us tomorrow

Makes it imperative for us to find the bomber and means that if you really still suspect me of being mafia citizens are in serious danger because they could in theory knock three citizens off if they convict me and tagged citizens yesterday and today

 

[Zell 17]

I've got to take my fiance for some blood tests but I have read the thread. Jon has some things correct in my view however he also has my role wrong.

Currently leaning towards a not guilty vote.

I was wrong Jon when I said it was indisputable.

Bud if you think Jon is innocent, you are saying that you are confirmed evil. Seems more likely you are mafia trying to save your buddy

 

[Zell 17]

Additionally yesterday all remaining citizens posted less than zell and tubby thus leading us to be in danger of being tagged if either is indeed the bomber as they both made 30 posts

Which is proof they are mafia or bomber because they know canadaguy would shush them

The fact that we made 30 or fewer posts to avoid being shushed is proof we are mafia? That's literally everybody left except Alu.

 

[canadaguy]

@canadaguy hypothetically, if you were on this jury, how would you vote?

Hypothetically I am leaning to guilty

 

[Jon]

Hypothetically I am leaning to guilty

Question

If I suicide to prove I am the foreman do you think you can find the bomber and win as citizens and get us the win

Wasting more time on me is fruitless as I have nothing else I can do to prove I am a citizen and I have all the roles right especially as being willing to suicide to prove it

I am the only one with a clear tell and admitting it serves no purpose

Killing myself here proves I am a citizen AND that there is a con man

If removing myself will allow you guys to focus on the three guilty members then I am happy to do it

 

[canadaguy]

I'm not sure there is a path to victory for the good guys if it turns out you are foreman and you die here.

 

[Jon]

How else can I prove it to you then

I cannot see a reason for me to be lying about this at this point so I do not know what more to do

Kut is the only one that can let me off the hook here as the bailiff so short of him kicking zell and he and the replacement voting to acquit I will die here anyway

Keeping in mind I probably got tagged by the bomber anyway

 

[Zell 17]

How else can I prove it to you then

I cannot see a reason for me to be lying about this at this point so I do not know what more to do

Kut is the only one that can let me off the hook here as the bailiff so short of him kicking zell and he and the replacement voting to acquit I will die here anyway

Keeping in mind I probably got tagged by the bomber anyway

You can't be, you were in jail

 

[Jon]

It sucks the only way for me to prove it would be to get off then prove it by breaking a tie if I am on the next jury

I got the most useless role lol

 

[Jon]

You can't be, you were in jail

As far as I read it I can still get TAGGED but the bomber could not trigger the bomb on me in jail

@VashTheStampede would need to confirm if my thought is correct though

 

[Zell 17]

I'm not sure there is a path to victory for the good guys if it turns out you are foreman and you die here.

Quite frankly there's not much of a path for us if we vote not guilty. Tomorrow would be 3 town vs 3 mafia and the bomber. The only shot we have is if we vote guilty for Jon AND he's mafia (not the bomber). Anything else requires the evils to make significant errors.

 

[Jon]

Quite frankly there's not much of a path for us if we vote not guilty. Tomorrow would be 3 town vs 3 mafia and the bomber. The only shot we have is if we vote guilty for Jon AND he's mafia (not the bomber). Anything else requires the evils to make significant errors.

You keep talking like you are one of the citizens when I know you are not and I do not think anyone else believes it at this point either

And yet you have not alluded in any way to what citizen roll you are

 

[canadaguy]

Too bad @VashTheStampede didn't include a count of guilty/not guilty votes.

Then we could have just checked FRs trial.

 

[Jon]

Too bad @VashTheStampede didn't include a count of guilty/not guilty votes.

Then we could have just checked FRs trial.

I did mention this earlier but I tried to allude to my role in that trial by saying when I cast my not guilty vote that he is guaranteed exonerated

Because my third not guilty even if both others voted guilty meant he was getting off because i had a second vote and the tiebreaker

I do not know if that is enough for you

 

[canadaguy]

@shortkut who do you think is a citizen?

 

[canadaguy]

I did mention this earlier but I tried to allude to my role in that trial by saying when I cast my not guilty vote that he is guaranteed exonerated

Because my third not guilty even if both others voted guilty meant he was getting off because i had a second vote and the tiebreaker

I do not know if that is enough for you

I did see and it's making me think

 

[Jon]

I did see and it's making me think

I was trying to honor the respect of the game by hinting and alluding without downright saying my role as vash says at the start of each new day

 

[canadaguy]

I was trying to honor the respect of the game by hinting and alluding without downright saying my role as cash says at the start of each new day

I get that. But you were Not Guilty vote #3 at that point, which was enough on its own to save him. So it's open to some interpretation.


I will ask you this, if you could go back in time to that trial, what would you vote?

 

[Tubby23]

Make a vote, you stingray worshipping heathen!

Oi mate, if you're going to post the name of that filthy murdering fish at least attach a trigger warning.

If I make the vote that puts the power straight into the hands of the mad bomber.

Just because shortkut answered questions at 4am my time about the bailiff doesn't make him the bailiff.

As far as I see based on roles and people left:

Zell, FR and Kelly/Jon are the Mafia.
Shortkut is the Mad Bomber. Jon/Kelly are an unconfirmed town role, which Jon has claimed to be the foreman (TBC). Alu Judge, canadaguy Librarian and I'm the Bailiff (which I hinted at yesterday but had previously hidden behind being a Patsy which is IMO a fractionally weaker role but worth keeping around)

 

[Jon]

I will ask you this, if you could go back in time to that trial, what would you vote?

Depends if you mean if I knew then what I know now

Because I would have voted guilty knowing what I do now

Especially if he turns out to be the con man because I would have been able to post punctuation again and I would not be here

I'm the Bailiff

I do not believe this

Especially because when I went back to review yesterdays posts after alu intimated that kut proved he was the bailiff and just said yesterday that one of his early posts alluded to his role

And I went and found that too and in his first post he said for us to all rise and pay respects to Kat

Kut is the bailiff

You are not

And to me that proves you are mafia

If it makes you feel better that also makes me feel like you are not the bomber

which means fool is likely the bomber

@canadaguy with this all said now knowing what I know now yes I would have voted fool guilty because I think we let the damn bomber off

 

[canadaguy]

Oi mate, if you're going to post the name of that filthy murdering fish at least attach a trigger warning.

If I make the vote that puts the power straight into the hands of the mad bomber.

Just because shortkut answered questions at 4am my time about the bailiff doesn't make him the bailiff.

As far as I see based on roles and people left:

Zell, FR and Kelly/Jon are the Mafia.
Shortkut is the Mad Bomber. Jon/Kelly are an unconfirmed town role, which Jon has claimed to be the foreman (TBC). Alu Judge, canadaguy Librarian and I'm the Bailiff (which I hinted at yesterday but had previously hidden behind being a Patsy which is IMO a fractionally weaker role but worth keeping around)

I mean if that's who you are prove it

 

[Jon]

Oi mate, if you're going to post the name of that filthy murdering fish at least attach a trigger warning.

Also there is your animal post folks

 

[canadaguy]

Depends if you mean if I knew then what I know now

Because I would have voted guilty knowing what I do now

Especially if he turns out to be the con man because I would have been able to post punctuation again and I would not be here



I do not believe this

Especially because when I went back to review yesterdays posts after all intimated that kut proved he was the bailiff and just said yesterday that one of his early posts alluded to his role

And I went and found that too and in his first post he said for us to all rise and pay respects to Kat

Kut is the bailiff

You are not

And to me that proves you are mafia

If it makes you feel better that also makes me feel like you are not the bomber

which means fool is likely the bomber

@canadaguy with this all said now knowing what I know now yes I would have voted fool guilty because I think we let the damn bomber off

Fool was exonerated from being bomber since a kill occurred while he was arrested

 

[Jon]

Fool was exonerated from being bomber since a kill occurred while he was arrested

Fair I forgot about that

Which leads me back to tubby being the suspected bomber

Because either he proves I am not the bomber and eliminates another suspect OR he tagged me and cannot trigger it

 

[Jon]

Two more things

First I am getting close to 30 posts and if I am going to continue helping and have a chance to prove innocence do you plan on shushing me @canadaguy

Second @VashTheStampede I am absolutely loving this game thank you and @Christina

 

[canadaguy]

I've only intended to use it to show who I am

 

[Tubby23]

Also there is your animal post folks

If you're going to pick someone don't pick someone who didn't post an animal on the day they were shushed

 

[Jon]

If you're going to pick someone don't pick someone who didn't post an animal on the day they were shushed

Honestly I was just pointing it out because it was such a dramatic thing lol

 

[Tubby23]

Yeah but all that's done in my mind is flip it so I should vote you guilty. Because it seems a desperate ploy to shift blame

 

[Jon]

Yeah but all that's done in my mind is flip it so I should vote you guilty. Because it seems a desperate ploy to shift blame

You can because your vote is irrelevant

Zell already voted guilty and my fate is in kuts hands

The only way I survive is if he replaces zell with a citizen and they both vote not guilty

There is no other way for me to prove innocence than what I have done

Either you believe me or you do not but I was not trying to shift blame at all

I have a long post about everyones roles and I know it is accurate with the exception fool is simply guaranteed mafia and not the bomber

My mind has been made up on you and I am am less concerned with blame shifting than I am trying to help my citizens win

 

[canadaguy]

@Tubby23 if you have the means to prove @shortkut is not the bailiff, by all means

 

[Tubby23]

You can because your vote is irrelevant

Zell already voted guilty and my fate is in kuts hands

The only way I survive is if he replaces zell with a citizen and they both vote not guilty

There is no other way for me to prove innocence than what I have done

Either you believe me or you do not but I was not trying to shift blame at all

I have a long post about everyones roles and I know it is accurate with the exception fool is simply guaranteed mafia and not the bomber

My mind has been made up on you and I am am less concerned with blame shifting than I am trying to help my citizens win

Yes but blatantly getting your animal post call wrong means that the detail of your longer post is automatically weakened or up for debate.

@Tubby23 if you have the means to prove @shortkut is not the bailiff, by all means

I do however my risk here is still getting the right vote on Jon, if I remove kut from the jury I need to add someone he doesn't have tagged with a bomb

 

[Tubby23]

Alu would be the only option actually as the bomber has killed every day and shortkut posted less than Alu yesterday

@A Leftover Bowl of Alphabet Soup in the New ABODE

Blue thumbs up for Guilty
Red thumbs down for Not Guilty

 

[Jon]

I have a very hard time believing you are the bailiff

You made zero attempt to dissuade the perception when kut alluded to the role twice and once again on day 1

There is zero evidence you are bailiff that I can see but prove me wrong

 

[shortkut]

Alu would be the only option actually as the bomber has killed every day and shortkut posted less than Alu yesterday

@A Leftover Bowl of Alphabet Soup in the New ABODE

Blue thumbs up for Guilty
Red thumbs down for Not Guilty

Just sub him in already

 

[Jon]

Look you were shushed so if you are the bailiff stop pussyfooting and prove it

Otherwise because you were shushed you didn’t have any visible tell and you are the bomber

Either way we have our answers as citizens

If you still think i am mafia there is nothing I can do to prove it so whether i live or die is irrelevant but likely give the win to the bomber

My story has not changed

Again zell is the one that needs to go not kut if I have any chance to survive and give the citizens the win

Either way as I said before but updating context my life is in the bailiffs hands

 

[shortkut]

@shortkut who do you think is a citizen?

My gut for a while has been Jon or Fool. Zell and Tubby are 100% evil. I can remove Zell or Tubby even if they vote guilty and save Jon if I want. I can sub an Eric into the jury and we can vote together not guilty if we feel Jon is innocent

 

[Jon]

My gut for a while has been Jon or Fool. Zell and Tubby are 100% evil. I can remove Zell or Tubby even if they vote guilty and save Jon if I want. I can sub an Eric into the jury and we can vote together not guilty if we feel Jon is innocent

if you believe this would the logical decision not be to exonerate me regardless and make sure we put one of them on trial to try and find the bomber

I am updating my vote in case I survive to arrest tubby because if he is not the bailiff he is the bomber and as much as I want the con man dead I want the bomber dead more

 

[Tubby23]

I have a very hard time believing you are the bailiff

You made zero attempt to dissuade the perception when kut alluded to the role twice and once again on day 1

There is zero evidence you are bailiff that I can see but prove me wrong

I must have missed his claims on Day 1 (if so my bad that's on me), couldn't say anything about it Day 2 and then tried to address it yesterday especially making sure the last message of day was the clearest hint I could make within the confines of my role.

Just sub him in already

And risk the wrong decision? I'd rather at least have his indication on what he thinks first.

 

[canadaguy]

My gut for a while has been Jon or Fool. Zell and Tubby are 100% evil. I can remove Zell or Tubby even if they vote guilty and save Jon if I want. I can sub an Eric into the jury and we can vote together not guilty if we feel Jon is innocent