Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

[shortkut]

So @TD Is not claiming to have any extra knowledge? I was willing to vote local because he never made a claim with this level of certitude off of a cold read before, so I was not expecting it.

Going back to my Kelly train

Change vote back to @Smacktard

 

[Kat]

Who do we have that can protect people? Which roles?

Witch, tough guy, and me at a minimum (although it gets me killed with no benefit besides the other person living and I don't know that I've seen anybody I'm willing to die for).

 

[Local Hero]

I'll protect someone 9-16 and target someone I suspect the most (TD)

 

[VashTheStampede]

Witch, tough guy, and me at a minimum (although it gets me killed with no benefit besides the other person living and I don't know that I've seen anybody I'm willing to die for).

Kat hitting all of us with major shade

 

[Tubby23]

Witch, tough guy, and me at a minimum (although it gets me killed with no benefit besides the other person living and I don't know that I've seen anybody I'm willing to die for).

 

[shortkut]

 

[Kat]

I'll protect someone 9-16 and target someone I suspect the most (TD)

Oh yeah, I forgot about you... Assuming you're really the flagger of course.

Do we want Local to overlap with a guaranteed protector in case he's lying?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Do we want Local to overlap with a guaranteed protector in case he's lying?

yes but don't say which for the love of batman

 

[Tubby23]

Oh yeah, I forgot about you... Assuming you're really the flagger of course.

Do we want Local to overlap with a guaranteed protector in case he's lying?

Yes, if we have another

 

[Kat]

Yes, if we have another

There's two guaranteed, we just don't know who they are, which is fine.

I guess I can protect someone. If they're evil then they won't get attacked, so I'll be safe (since there's no solo killer).

 

[Zell 17]

nah, not really.

as I've said countless times before, and one of the reasons I stopped playing, this game has a significant town advantage, and removing the fool makes it an uphill for the wolves REGARDLESS of how many wolves there are.

the numbers should give us MORE pause to delay, not less.

a mislynch here has us hurting more than usual.

What if there were 15 wolves and 1 townie

 

[shortkut]

What if there were 15 wolves and 1 townie

That would be fun if there were 3 different groups of 5 wolves who didn’t know the others. Boring if everyone knew except the townie

 

[Jon]

That would be fun if there were 3 different groups of 5 wolves who didn’t know the others. Boring if everyone knew except the townie

But what if that townie was Kelly?

 

[Kat]

Okay I feel like we have three protector claims (two flaggers plus me) in addition to the witch and tough guy, right? Do we need to split it up more than 50/50? That number is high enough to be suspicious IMO but it'd be good to spread around what we can.

Maybe witch protect 1-8, tough guy 9-16, I'll do 1-6, Tubby (I think you were claiming flagger right) 7-12, and Local 13-18? That way if any randoms are lying, everyone still has a chance to be protected, but we minimize overlap for those being honest?

 

[Kat]

Unless we're still planning to kill Local today?

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (8 required):

TD - 7 (VashTheStampede, Local Hero, Jon, Jawneh, Raposuh, Kat, Dean)
Local Hero - 5 (TD, Alu, Tommy Boy, Smacktard, Raine)
Smacktard - 1 (shortkut)

No vote - 3 (Benzine, Cole, Tubby23)

Votes to skip (15 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 15 (Alu, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raine, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[Tubby23]

Okay I feel like we have three protector claims (two flaggers plus me) in addition to the witch and tough guy, right? Do we need to split it up more than 50/50? That number is high enough to be suspicious IMO but it'd be good to spread around what we can.

Maybe witch protect 1-8, tough guy 9-16, I'll do 1-6, Tubby (I think you were claiming flagger right) 7-12, and Local 13-18? That way if any randoms are lying, everyone still has a chance to be protected, but we minimize overlap for those being honest?

I'm down

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Gonna switch to abstain

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (8 required):

TD - 7 (VashTheStampede, Local Hero, Jon, Jawneh, Raposuh, Kat, Dean)
Local Hero - 4 (TD, Tommy Boy, Smacktard, Raine)
Smacktard - 1 (shortkut)

No vote - 4 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Tubby23)

Votes to skip (15 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 15 (Alu, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raine, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[Tubby23]

So in summary so far, we don't want to kill LH anymore but we are restraining ourselves from killing TD.

 

[Kat]

So in summary so far, we don't want to kill LH anymore but we are restraining ourselves from killing TD.

I'm okay with it, given his aura.

I asked Zell in another game, and he said protecting the fan will prevent them from being turned. Something to keep in mind when choosing your targets.

 

[TD]

I'll protect someone 9-16 and target someone I suspect the most (TD)

This works for me if you are who you claim.

Group - lynching me would be a bad idea.

 

[Dean]

This works for me if you are who you claim.

Group - lynching me would be a bad idea.

 

[shortkut]

But what if that townie was Kelly?

Then we would all be wolves and want to kill him

 

[finlandguy]

So protections seem good. Lynching seems like it's not happening. Seers? We got two who claimed auras. Do we want to check Local? The other one can check... someone? Do whatever they want I guess.

 

[TD]

initially agreed... but if he was actually busy today then that would explain that. Do you think his posts later in the day are still suspicious?

Yes. The way he approached the accusation was off to me. The summary he provided about my potential role? Also interesting. The flagger claim? Timing made no sense, I don't buy it.

Why?

I reiterate that bad guys continue to make one major mistake, you chatted with me a lot in the Morgue. It was the way he responded to me about random wolves.

So you weren't ever 100% sure of Local and it was all just a play to get people talking? I mean, fair enough, but yet you still feel we should lynch him? Cole eventually targeted someone else who was revealed by the conversation.

If I had a gun I would be targeting one of Local, Raposah, or Jon. I don't.

 

[TD]

I'm saying I would be completely okay with a wolf attack being redirected to me.

Why would that be?

 

[Tubby23]

I will say I don't fully buy LH's role claim

 

[Benzine]

So, the sorc finds the fan and shares the info and allows for hiding as protectors?

Are there any protectors out there who didn't save anyone but are protectors? It would help to know, cause maybe Kat and TD are both liars.

 

[Dean]

Switching vote to Abstain

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (8 required):

TD - 6 (VashTheStampede, Local Hero, Jon, Jawneh, Raposuh, Kat)
Local Hero - 4 (TD, Tommy Boy, Smacktard, Raine)
Smacktard - 1 (shortkut)

No vote - 5 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Tubby23)

Votes to skip (15 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 15 (Alu, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raine, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[Jon]

**Sigh**

Switch my vote to abstain as well...

 

[Kat]

I vote Smacktard.

Kind of a long shot at this point to get enough votes, but there's obviously no point in voting for Local or TD at this point.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (8 required):

Local Hero - 4 (TD, Tommy Boy, Smacktard, Raine)
TD - 4 (VashTheStampede, Local Hero, Jawneh, Raposuh)
Smacktard - 2 (shortkut, Kat)

No vote - 6 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Jon, Tubby23)

Votes to skip (15 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 15 (Alu, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raine, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[Tommy Boy]

The two people who claimed aura seer are Raposa and Tommy - there's a decent chance one of them is sorcerer.

There is a zero percent chance I'm the sorcerer. Just straight up, I cannot handle that role and would not be avidly claiming the info I know.

@Jon @Anal Anniversary Adventure Activities @Kat @Raine @Tommy Boy

Are you willing to move off Local Hero and onto TD? Tommy Boy seemed to think TD was likely innocent, IIRC, or I could be conflating posts.

Well it looks like switching my vote would ensure a TD lynching. [nevermind by the time I posted this shit changed lmao] I'm just really nervous about the aura being legit, but with the way the thread has gone the last few pages I'm just still not sure. He can be good or he can be fan/sorcerer. Just no way to tell, and since he's already been checked it feels like a bit of a stalemate.

Tommy Boy said TD has a good aura.

100% confirmed number seven has good aura. Unfortunately beyond that, we can only speculate based on the way anyone has reacted to accusations in this thread.

Well... We do have two guaranteed roles which can kill. If we can have a seer check Local overnight, and he turns out to be innocent, then we can use the killing roles to catch back up.

Yeah that can be done but I seriously need protection at this point. I know that old games shouldn't be considered, but the last time I blatantly asked for protection, I was jailer and won us the game. I need protection tonight as a seer in a game with no solo is crucial.

@Tommy Boy I'm working under the assumption you're a legit seer as well, I am going to pick someone from the top 8. So you seer someone from 9-16. Aaaaaand break!

I will go along with this, but I'm really worried about the protection wires getting crossed.

 

[Local Hero]

I will say I don't fully buy LH's role claim

I'm the mad bomber

 

[Cole]

This works for me if you are who you claim.

Group - lynching me would be a bad idea.

we're really still in the strategy of "don't do it it would be a bad idea".

does no one ever do anything original anymore?

 

[Dean]

Let's get this protection shit figured out for sure.

Do we know we even have a Tough Guy?

We've got a Witch, two Flaggers, and I assume Kat is Bodyguard

 

[TD]

we're really still in the strategy of "don't do it it would be a bad idea".

does no one ever do anything original anymore?

I'm saying that if a flagger truly exists and you "want me dead", redirect the wolf kill to me as opposed to lynching.

 

[Kat]

Let's get this protection shit figured out for sure.

Do we know we even have a Tough Guy?

We've got a Witch, two Flaggers, and I assume Kat is Bodyguard

Tough guy is a guaranteed role.

Village team:
Aura Seer
Marksman
Ritualist
Warden
Witch
Tough Guy

 

[Kat]

Wait isn't warden a protection role too?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Voting Smacktard

 

[Tubby23]

Tough guy is a guaranteed role.

Dean knows that. He is acting dense

 

[Tommy Boy]

Just some summary from my notes, correct me if I'm wrong:

• Tubby claimed a protection role - can only be bodyguard based on other claims
• Raposa claimed seer - no way to tell who is the guaranteed one and who is the random one (at least I didn't see any way of knowing)
• Local Hero is potentially the flagger - within my span of players to check this evening if he survives
• Kat is potentially the tough guy since there was no attack information provided
• Kelly was a spitfire cannon in the beginning and waned off - all of that should be reviewed again
• More than one person asking for summaries because they want cliffnotes - red flag IMO. I know this gets overwhelming but there has been a surprisingly low amount of shitposts. I think each and every one of us needs to diligently catch up on anything we may have missed. There is no place for apathy in these games.

Wait isn't warden a protection role too?

Yes but this would prevent seers from using their powers and should not be used on me.

 

[TD]

Wait isn't warden a protection role too?

Kinda sorta. Also blocks the ability and can accidentally kill a townie or get killed if they target two wolves.

It's also a good way to validate good vs bad since bad guys cannot see the weapon. The warden should always drop a weapon.

If unsure - don't use it but then the warden can verify if they are good if they name the right weapon.

It's kind of a seer, protection, kill role all in one.

 

[Cole]

I'm saying that if a flagger truly exists and you "want me dead", redirect the wolf kill to me as opposed to lynching.

yes you're "saying" the same thing you "say" every game.

you're trying to buy yourself time.

 

[Benzine]

Just some summary from my notes, correct me if I'm wrong:

• Tubby claimed a protection role - can only be bodyguard based on other claims
• Raposa claimed seer - no way to tell who is the guaranteed one and who is the random one (at least I didn't see any way of knowing)
• Local Hero is potentially the flagger - within my span of players to check this evening if he survives
• Kat is potentially the tough guy since there was no attack information provided
• Kelly was a spitfire cannon in the beginning and waned off - all of that should be reviewed again
• More than one person asking for summaries because they want cliffnotes - red flag IMO. I know this gets overwhelming but there has been a surprisingly low amount of shitposts. I think each and every one of us needs to diligently catch up on anything we may have missed. There is no place for apathy in these games.

Yes but this would prevent seers from using their powers and should not be used on me.

low amount of shit posts

947 posts

 

[Tubby23]

Just some summary from my notes, correct me if I'm wrong:

• Tubby claimed a protection role - can only be bodyguard based on other claims
• Raposa claimed seer - no way to tell who is the guaranteed one and who is the random one (at least I didn't see any way of knowing)
• Local Hero is potentially the flagger - within my span of players to check this evening if he survives
• Kat is potentially the tough guy since there was no attack information provided
• Kelly was a spitfire cannon in the beginning and waned off - all of that should be reviewed again
• More than one person asking for summaries because they want cliffnotes - red flag IMO. I know this gets overwhelming but there has been a surprisingly low amount of shitposts. I think each and every one of us needs to diligently catch up on anything we may have missed. There is no place for apathy in these games.

Yes but this would prevent seers from using their powers and should not be used on me.

I think you are close on a few things but you may need to have a re-read if that's where you have got to in total

 

[Tommy Boy]

I'd also like to remind everyone that Raine has specifically admitted to altering data in the past, meaning charts, tables, post quotes, etc. Yes, we like pretty tables, and I enjoy the recaps, but I am weary to blindly trust her gathering of data knowing that she could alter it at any point. This brings me back to my point of diligence. If someone needs something clarified, clarify it. Go beyond quoting and link the post. Check the URL and make sure it leads to the actual post.

low amount of shit posts

947 posts

Yeah but less than 50 were gifs. That's progress for us!

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm saying that if a flagger truly exists and you "want me dead", redirect the wolf kill to me as opposed to lynching.

I get what you're appearing to do but boy howdy that would be a great Fan play