Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf - Version IX - Day 3

[shortkut]

The wolf/town cupid dynamic does things to people man. We've seen it. The Cupid'd pair either has to try to win together or play against eachother knowing they'll die together.

I should have asked Zell if I could put myself as a member of the couple. Then I’d know more

 

[Jon]

The wolf/town cupid dynamic does things to people man. We've seen it. The Cupid'd pair either has to try to win together or play against eachother knowing they'll die together.

Understood. It's such an inefficient way to play though, with that as the primary win con. I personally would be aiming to win with my team first because it's the greatest chance at success.

 

[TD]

Which is why the wolves being so accurate with their hits

What do you mean so accurate? I think I missed this sorry.

 

[TD]

Understood. It's such an inefficient way to play though, with that as the primary win con. I personally would be aiming to win with my team first because it's the greatest chance at success.

So you're saying if you were Cupid'd, you would say fuck your partner and play to the win condition of the wolves/town?

Interesting.

 

[finlandguy]

And STILL not having a role claim on Jawneh is making me uneasy. He's dodged every attempt at asking.

Didn't mean to dodge it. I still at work for another 5 mins until half an hour drive home. Been sneaking on here and there if not on break.

Considering they'll probably try to kill you rather than anyone that will make my role useful at this point I can spill the beans.

I'm seer apprentice. The hint day one about being an anti-confusion/trixster (and later I realized corruptor too) is that I'd be able to grab a seer role anyhow from those if they died. Then the not paying thing thanks to being an apprentice. Basically working for free for the experience.

 

[Jon]

What do you mean so accurate? I think I missed this sorry.

Hitting 2 strong roles in the first two days. Either insane luck, or they had a blind, seer or both.

So you're saying if you were Cupid'd, you would say fuck your partner and play to the win condition of the wolves/town?

Interesting.

I didn't say that. I said I'd focus on the team first. I'd fully expect to be killed at some point and I would still want the win with my primary team, so I'd make sure I played to their win scenario. Wouldn't neglect the couple, but I wouldn't withhold info in a vital time for my team for the sake of a 1% win.

Didn't mean to dodge it. I still at work for another 5 mins until half an hour drive home. Been sneaking on here and there if not on break.

Considering they'll probably try to kill you rather than anyone that will make my role useful at this point I can spill the beans.

I'm seer apprentice. The hint day one about being an anti-confusion/trixster (and later I realized corruptor too) is that I'd be able to grab a seer role anyhow from those if they died. Then the not paying thing thanks to being an apprentice. Basically working for free for the experience.

Well...

@Zell 17 - Can an apprentice appear if there are no seers on the team?

We have two claimed seer roles that fit the bill there. And this makes sense. So I thank you for the info

 

[TD]

Hitting 2 strong roles in the first two days. Either insane luck, or they had a blind, seer or both.

I know how this is gonna sound but I need to say it because I want all honest thoughts out there if we're taking this shot, cause if we're wrong we need to play PERFECT from here on out.

Kat is a popular target too for early kills. The poor thing even had a Night 0 streak.

 

[TD]

This is not easy being the guy who knows this is a 15% chance.

Also I'm high and now I'm overthinking and should probably just sign out.

Hope we hit a consensus.

 

[Jon]

I know how this is gonna sound but I need to say it because I want all honest thoughts out there if we're taking this shot, cause if we're wrong we need to play PERFECT from here on out.

Kat is a popular target too for early kills. The poor thing even had a Night 0 streak.

Sure, doesn't change the fact that a blind would could have checked them both and saw her as strong and cut as solo non violent. They chose to kill kat and new they had a couple member and that confirms the solo non violent as a cupid. Makes a bell ringer claim amazingly easy to make in that case.

Or, they have a wolf seer who checked kut night 1, saw he's cupid, they get lucky on the Fool kill and then check Kat night 2 (since she is an early target), kill her night 2 and a bell ringer claim is still easy to make at that point.

I still think BOTH are a possibility because they both came up blue for you night one.

I'm CHOOSING to believe this right now because the other option here is that you've been lying all along and all three of you are straight up wolves. And if Jawneh is an apprentice, we could take you out to find out. I, personally, do not thin that is a great path forward. Mostly because I want to believe you're town.

But for you, Jawneh and Dean to be town, either Tommy is a wolf, or they have seer/blind combo and hid from your check.

 

[Local Hero]

Hi guys, just jumping back on for a minute before bed. Sorry I've been a bit absent.

My two cents, between Kelly, Jawneh, Dean, ???, I think we've got wolves.

I haven't had a chance to read, but I'm looking at the vote totals. We need a wolf kill to stay in it, so I'm fine switching to Kelly. I'm sorry if I missed some critical info. I'll see you in the morning.

 

[shortkut]

This is not easy being the guy who knows this is a 15% chance.

Also I'm high and now I'm overthinking and should probably just sign out.

Hope we hit a consensus.

We could just dwindle the town numbers and vote for some of the known townies. That could be fun

 

[Local Hero]

Voting Kelly

 

[shortkut]

@Zell 17 how many votes needed for a lynch?

 

[Jon]

This is not easy being the guy who knows this is a 15% chance.

Also I'm high and now I'm overthinking and should probably just sign out.

Hope we hit a consensus.

I'm gonna toss my vote on Kelly right now but Alu hasnt voted yet either.

Hi guys, just jumping back on for a minute before bed. Sorry I've been a bit absent.

My two cents, between Kelly, Jawneh, Dean, ???, I think we've got wolves.

I haven't had a chance to read, but I'm looking at the vote totals. We need a wolf kill to stay in it, so I'm fine switching to Kelly. I'm sorry if I missed some critical info. I'll see you in the morning.

Oh..... you're in for a surprise....

 

[Jon]

@Zell 17 how many votes needed for a lynch?

5, says it in the poll name.

 

[shortkut]

5, says it in the poll name.

I didn’t realize he gave the polls names

 

[finlandguy]

We have two claimed seer roles that fit the bill there. And this makes sense. So I thank you for the info

I was expecting there to be a seer body last night. One from the wolves, one from the corruptor. I even checked from Zell that I'd get the role from the corruptor kill as it happens before the wolves' kill. It sucks since I can't do much of anything useful, but does beat being another person in the hole.

Until we find out in post game that Jumpy targeted a wolf.

 

[Local Hero]

I'm gonna toss my vote on Kelly right now but Alu hasnt voted yet either.


Oh..... you're in for a surprise....

Lmao what happened

 

[finlandguy]

Aight. I'm off to bed now. Odds are I won't be awake for the day to end.

Currently 6 folks on Kelly: me, Jon, Local, TD, Vash, and Dean.

Yet to vote is Alu and Benzine. Benzine probably will also throw in the vote on Kelly as he brought it up. Then lastly kut who is still on Local from before.

Hopefully we'll get most everyone on Kelly just in case some weird last minute vote shuffling to lynch someone else or force a tie.

 

[shortkut]

I’ll move my vote to Kelly before I go to bed

 

[Jon]

I'm going to head off too. I'm not going to be up before the day ends. And I fully expect to die overnight so this is likely my last post in an alive thread.

Townies, go win it for us!

 

[finlandguy]

I'm going to head off too. I'm not going to be up before the day ends. And I fully expect to die overnight so this is likely my last post in an alive thread.

Townies, go win it for us!

I'd protect Tommy. He's the only one who can potentially sway everything tomorrow if he has extra vote power and if there's a tie today and no lynch. They can't voodoo him twice.

Otherwise the wolves just voodoo again, force a tie tomorrow, kill another person and win. All assuming Kit wasn't a wolf.

And that we don't murder a townie today. Man. Great time to figure this shit out as I'm going to bed.

 

[Benzine]

man cricket was wild today @Tubby23. crazy windy (i live somewhere extremely windy), we only had 8 players - and 2 of them need to go at 5pm (game goes from 3-6ish), and we batted first.. so ended up fielding with 4 people lmao. and won!

 

[Smacktard]

Good morning

Should I bother to read 13 pages of dumb rationales for why people are voting for me rather than Dean? I gave a logical plan and the town is too busy making another dumb lynch.

I've been pressing the Dean button since the very start of Day 2. I only moved to Raine to appease shortkut's dumb plan -- and only AFTER Dean already had enough votes for a lynch.

But then YOU all switched your vote to Raine too after I went to bed and got her voted off?

And now I'M the one being lynched? How the fuck is that logical?

 

[Smacktard]

Dean was threatening Avenger. I'm willing to sacrifice myself as his "target", but instead you're letting yourselves be manipulated by some bs threat.

But go ahead. Lynch me. Lynch a townie that the wolves are too afraid to attack.

 

[Smacktard]

Even if I coupled Dean, I wouldn’t know his role

Weak ass justification. I can't believe anyone is entertaining this. All Dean would have to do is go back and drop a few reacts on a few of your old posts that everyone already saw.





There. Now you can rub your almonds together and figure out that he's a wolf. The same way that Local signalled to Alu that he was a Dingo in Tubby's game.

Don't use this BS justification.

I'm sticking to Kelly. If for nothing else other than TD messing around with his vote and pulling it off of Kelly.

We don't got to entertain Kelly's idea about Dean. Whether Benzine is telling the truth or not, what he's offering is the first clear answer on what to do. Everything else has been based off of reads and plays. Sure, we can start playing around with whether he is telling the truth or not, but then we're back to square one and TD trying to confuse everyone.

Jawneh's breath smells like wolf food.

 

[Smacktard]

PS
Kinda sucks that I spend one night out with my wife and wolves and wolf-adjacents use it as an opportunity to control the nafrative and get my lynched in my absence

 

[A Maybe Baker]

There are currently 7 votes on Kelly, and none of them are mine. Either a couple of wolves have decided to make the sacrifice, or we're about to have a swing and a miss.

Or, final weird odds would be that the 3 people not voting for him would be the wolves.

 

[Smacktard]

There are currently 7 votes on Kelly, and none of them are mine. Either a couple of wolves have decided to make the sacrifice, or we're about to have a swing and a miss.

Or, final weird odds would be that the 3 people not voting for him would be the wolves.

Did you say what your role was in the past 13 pages?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Did you say what your role was in the past 13 pages?

Yeah, right after it was 100% confirmed that I'm a townie I let everyone know I'm the Avenger. (Page 1)

 

[Smacktard]

Yeah, right after it was 100% confirmed that I'm a townie I let everyone know I'm the Avenger. (Page 1)

Oh so we have 2 Avengers. That makes sense.

 

[Smacktard]

To be clear, I'm not doubting your claim

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Oh so we have 2 Avengers. That makes sense.

You guys want to know why I wasn't believing Dean yesterday, now that I've been cleared? (doing this because now that I'm clear the wolves will likely target me again to reduce the "known" pool)

I mean it's entirely possible that he truly is what he says he is and we have two of the same thing...but it means we have two of the same thing.

I mean that's exactly what I said at the time.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

You're the target pretty much because of:

Benzine choosing saying you're the opposite team of Raposa - this is a hedging of the bets to make sure a wolf is dead
You not having a claim of any kind (as far as I know)


Sure, Benzine is possibly full of shit. He could have "picked" you to add to the confusion. He could have been adamant to TD about reading him because he (Benzine) would come back as blue due to being a wolf seer or blind wolf.


But the suggestion came up to go with checking on if you're a wolf to verify if Raposa was one or not.

 

[Smacktard]

You're the target pretty much because of:

Benzine choosing saying you're the opposite team of Raposa - this is a hedging of the bets to make sure a wolf is dead
You not having a claim of any kind (as far as I know)


Sure, Benzine is possibly full of shit. He could have "picked" you to add to the confusion. He could have been adamant to TD about reading him because he (Benzine) would come back as blue due to being a wolf seer or blind wolf.


But the suggestion came up to go with checking on if you're a wolf to verify if Raposa was one or not.

But my point is that if people really believe Dean is avenger, have him set his avenge status to me instead of using it as a threat against a proven town.

The wolves can't kill a beast hunter. I didn't want to reveal it earlier because a team of 4 unknown wolves is dangerous, but
1. If they had berserk they would've used it already
2. Town is going to flub the vote on me anyway

 

[Smacktard]

You're the target pretty much because of:

Benzine choosing saying you're the opposite team of Raposa - this is a hedging of the bets to make sure a wolf is dead
You not having a claim of any kind (as far as I know)


Sure, Benzine is possibly full of shit. He could have "picked" you to add to the confusion. He could have been adamant to TD about reading him because he (Benzine) would come back as blue due to being a wolf seer or blind wolf.


But the suggestion came up to go with checking on if you're a wolf to verify if Raposa was one or not.

And let's do a thought experiment --
1. I turn up a wolf. What information does this give you about Benzine and Raposa?
2. I turn up not a wolf. What information does this give you about Benzine and Raposa?

In either scenario I don't see how this informs the next action. In both cases you could think Benzine is or isn't covering for me. In both cases you could assume Raposa is or isn't a wolf.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

But my point is that if people really believe Dean is avenger, have him set his avenge status to me instead of using it as a threat against a proven town.

The wolves can't kill a beast hunter. I didn't want to reveal it earlier because a team of 4 unknown wolves is dangerous, but
1. If they had berserk they would've used it already
2. Town is going to flub the vote on me anyway

Dean mentioned that he moved his target (first off Vash and onto me, and then off me and onto someone unnamed after he realized I was definitely town).

 

[Smacktard]

Dean mentioned that he moved his target (first off Vash and onto me, and then off me and onto someone unnamed after he realized I was definitely town).

And it can be changed at any time prior to death. What I'm saying is that killing Dean is the best way to hedge bets, not killing me.

 

[Smacktard]

But interesting how someone can use "I'm not a wolf but I'll kill the town if anyone votes for me lmao" as a valid defense.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

But interesting how someone can use "I'm not a wolf but I'll kill the town if anyone votes for me lmao" as a valid defense.

Vash had a legit reason to want to not be killed off, which turned into him killing the SK and saving a townie the very next night. Everyone else followed suit because Raine did herself no favors.

What are your thoughts on Jawneh's suggestion that there's a Nightmare wolf and also Tommy's absence potentially meaning a voodoo wolf? No one has claimed to be a librarian at this point.

 

[Smacktard]

What are your thoughts on Jawneh's suggestion that there's a Nightmare wolf and also Tommy's absence

Jawneh's been weird. He's been implying marksman since day 1, but he hasn't taken a shot.

Tommy's absence is sus. I don't know if there's a voodoo wolf, but I would bet that at least one wolf would hold their vote against me -- and he's the only one that hasn't voted for me.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Jawneh's been weird. He's been implying marksman since day 1, but he hasn't taken a shot.

Tommy's absence is sus. I don't know if there's a voodoo wolf, but I would bet that at least one wolf would hold their vote against me -- and he's the only one that hasn't voted for me.

Jawneh has claimed outright to be Seer's apprentice today, and yesterday claimed that he wasn't a kill role (I believe it was yesterday).

If someone has been voodooed/librarianed they can't vote either. He was active on the forums yesterday and hasn't posted or voted (or reacted as far as I can tell).

 

[Dean]

@Smacktard I still don't see the logic behind killing me just so I can revenge kill you when we can just lynch you outright. I was fine with lynching either you, Local, Jawneh, or TD. I could've been convinced to vote Benzine, too. The rest of the town settled on you.

I still think you're probably a wolf, but I may look like a dumbass in an hour or so.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

@Smacktard I still don't see the logic behind killing me just so I can revenge kill you when we can just lynch you outright. I was fine with lynching either you, Local, Jawneh, or TD. I could've been convinced to vote Benzine, too. The rest of the town settled on you.

I still think you're probably a wolf, but I may look like a dumbass in an hour or so.

He's saying he thinks you're a wolf and either bluffing or the avenger wolf, and volunteered to be your target to take the sacrifice to get you out.

So now we have:

Proven:
Vash = Witch
Alu = Avenger

Claimed:
TD: Spirit Seer
Benzine: Violinist
Jawneh: Seer's Apprentice
Tommy: Preacher
Jon: Doctor
Kelly: Beast Hunter
Local: Bell Ringer
Dean: Avenger 2

 

[Dean]

I claimed Avenger well before you, Alu, and way before Jawneh, Kelly, and maybe Local made their claims.

 

[Smacktard]

Jawneh has claimed outright to be Seer's apprentice today, and yesterday claimed that he wasn't a kill role (I believe it was yesterday).

I must've missed that. So that legitimizes TD's seer claim, right? Unless the two are in cahoots.

@Smacktard I still don't see the logic behind killing me just so I can revenge kill you when we can just lynch you outright

And I don't think it makes any sense to try to lynch the guy who was saying yesterday that voting Raine made no sense and that you were holding the town at gunpoint to NOT vote for you. If the town votes for you, you can still use your avenger status on me. It would be a 1 for 1 trade of a townie for a wolf. But I find it interesting that you're not willing to do that despite threatening confirmed town members the day before.

 

[Dean]

I don't want to put my tinfoil hat back on, but how can we say 100% that Vash is the witch? Because nobody disputed him yesterday?

Vash or someone could be Voodoo Wolf and silenced Tommy Boy, who's the actual Witch, so they can lead the town astray.

Just saying, you can't say anybody is 100% innocent.

 

[Dean]

I must've missed that. So that legitimizes TD's seer claim, right? Unless the two are in cahoots.

And I don't think it makes any sense to try to lynch the guy who was saying yesterday that voting Raine made no sense and that you were holding the town at gunpoint to NOT vote for you. If the town votes for you, you can still use your avenger status on me. It would be a 1 for 1 trade of a townie for a wolf. But I find it interesting that you're not willing to do that despite threatening confirmed town members the day before.

I was willing to do it yesterday when it was harder to narrow people down. After I compared notes with Jon, and with Vash and Alu supposedly being cleared (but see my previous post for my paranoia on how they may not truly be 100% cleared), I felt more confident on the people I named (you, Jawneh, Local, and TD).

It would be epic if it turns out that the wolves silenced Tommy and Vash took credit for the witch kill and Alu claimed Avenger so when you (Kelly) die, they can cast a ton of doubt on me and win the game... They would have to kill Tommy tonight to pull it off, though.

 

[Dean]

@A Subcontractor's Ass if you aren't too busy starting at your Subcontractor's ass, any response to my conspiracy theory? Talk me off the ledge and tell me why that isn't possible.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I don't want to put my tinfoil hat back on, but how can we say 100% that Vash is the witch? Because nobody disputed him yesterday?

Vash or someone could be Voodoo Wolf and silenced Tommy Boy, who's the actual Witch, so they can lead the town astray.

Just saying, you can't say anybody is 100% innocent.

Vash came out as the witch today after there were two in successful potions last night. Tommy claimed preacher.

Who else could be witch?