Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version3 Night 1/Day 1

[Cole]

I am happy voting Cole too. I protected him last night, no one visited. As if the wolves aren't killing Cole first go with the way it's been lately.

However, I would prefer witnessing another day one holy water attempt...

if I was a wolf, I wouldn't target me night 0. it's a safe assumption I'd be protected that night for exactly the reason you just said, though. then I've wasted a night 0 kill.

 

[Cole]

if I was a wolf, I wouldn't target me night 0. it's a safe assumption I'd be protected that night for exactly the reason you just said, though. then I've wasted a night 0 kill.

it does suggest we don't have a berseker though. because id also have burned THAT on me.

 

[A Punched Face]

if I was a wolf, I wouldn't target me night 0. it's a safe assumption I'd be protected that night for exactly the reason you just said, though. then I've wasted a night 0 kill.

Also just throwing out that we have 2 people claiming to have protected Cole last night as well. So assuming he'd be protected is reasonable.

 

[Cole]

Also just throwing out that we have 2 people claiming to have protected Cole last night as well. So assuming he'd be protected is reasonable.

wait did someone else say they protected me? I missed that.

 

[Benzine]

if I was a wolf, I wouldn't target me night 0. it's a safe assumption I'd be protected that night for exactly the reason you just said, though. then I've wasted a night 0 kill.

That could be it, but I think that'd be overthinking it. I'd kill you on the first night (queue this happening next game and me not being responsible) if I had the ability to.

Thought I'd add my info to the pot to see what comes of it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

wait did someone else say they protected me? I missed that.

Someone very subtly claimed to be a tough guy who protected you

 

[A Punched Face]

He had protection, though. *flex*

I am happy voting Cole too. I protected him last night, no one visited. As if the wolves aren't killing Cole first go with the way it's been lately.

However, I would prefer witnessing another day one holy water attempt...

 

[Cole]

That could be it, but I think that'd be overthinking it. I'd kill you on the first night (queue this happening next game and me not being responsible) if I had the ability to.

Thought I'd add my info to the pot to see what comes of it.

Its not though. in the first game I had 5 night actions on me night 0. 3 (I think?) in the second game.

why waste the attempt if it's gonna be blocked?

especially if you have a plan to fske an aura seer and have me lynched.

 

[Raine]

Someone very subtly claimed to be a tough guy who protected you

Fuel for this dumpster fire: Tough Guy is a Random Villager, there is no confirmed one in the list.

 

[Cole]

oh I missed that thanks.

 

[A Punched Face]

Fuel for this dumpster fire: Tough Guy is a Random Villager, there is no confirmed one in the list.

Odds (lol) are someone is lying about their role at this point. Ryan very successfully lied about his role in game 1, but was on the townie side in both his actual role and his lie.

Of course there's a good chance anyone (or everyone) who is a wolf is lying about their role.

 

[Raine]

That's what I'm saying, yeah. We have, uh, 4 Aura Seers, a Tough Guy and a Flower Child? Plus someone may or may not have been hinting at Avenger.

Damn near half the village is lying at this point. The blood god will drink well this day.

 

[Local Hero]

If there was a tough guy (ants), then someone is absolutely lying about their role.

 

[Local Hero]

That's what I'm saying, yeah. We have, uh, 4 Aura Seers, a Tough Guy and a Flower Child? Plus someone may or may not have been hinting at Avenger.

Damn near half the village is lying at this point. The blood god will drink well this day.

Only I and Eric (non-Canadian) are confirmed telling the truth with both targeting Canadaguy as Aura Seers and getting the same result.

 

[Local Hero]

Fight me, Warp

 

[Raine]

1v1 me Brosef! I don't trust any of you right now.

 

[Local Hero]

Lynch me right now and find out!

(In the style of Fool and Ryan, who are definitely wolves)

 

[TD]

So, I finished work 35 minutes ago and I just read through all the roles, specifically the new one.

We have to be aware of the possibility of someone trying to get someone who's a town member killed and then a Trickster exists. That would effectively render our "4 aura seers" useless at finding that wolf.

 

[Kat]

IMO Cole, Local Hero, and Ryan are all wolves.

Cole relentlessly making fun of Folks Requiem and discrediting them while also saying they're so lousy at the game we shouldn't even bother lynching is sus AF. Also his whole "I can't possibly give any analysis this early, there's not though info, even I'm not that good!!" There's plenty of info and a townie Cole would jump all over it.

Fool could be a wolf setting up Cole, it wouldn't be a terrible play especially if Fool is the avenger wolf, but I don't think that's likely based on Cole's reaction.

Local Hero insisting that FR being lynched and a townie implies Cole is also a townie makes no sense. Fool has no reason to lie if they're a townie.

Ryan and Cole keep pointing fingers at each other very hard. It makes me think they know Cole is doomed and are trying to throw suspicion off Ryan.

I vote Cole.

 

[Local Hero]

"Fool has no reason to lie if they're a townie"

A wolf absolutely has reason to lie

 

[Kat]

"Fool has no reason to lie if they're a townie"

A wolf absolutely has reason to lie

... Which is why I said "if they're a townie."

 

[Ryan!]

What's with this whole "lynch me if you don't believe me" play?

If you're a townie and you're telling us to lynch you, that's a bad idea.

Yeah, wolves are gonna try not to get lynched, but if you're truly a townie with such a powerful role, why would you want yourself to get lynched?

That doesn't help us, killing wolves and the RK helps us.

Because they have a Confusion Wolf. They can kill and hide a role. They just did it to shortkut, maybe rest in peace.

I am a chess player. I believe that sometimes, strong pieces need to be sacrificed to damage their structure to set up mate easier. I may be a strong piece, but I am willing to die to win this game. I do not want them casting doubt on my claims. We lose one piece. They lose two. Possibly three. They are down powerful pieces, and we have more bishops at play. If you lynch me now, you see I'm telling the truth. You get Cole and FR in the next day phases before they kill again. They save me from a lynch using the Guardian Wolf power, they waste it. They Nightmare me tonight to cast doubt on me tomorrow, they waste a use.

I've given you a game plan. You can either trust me now and follow it, or you can have their pawn take the bishop to let your rook and queen mate them. The choice is yours.

 

[Local Hero]

"Local Hero insisting that FR being lynched and a townie implies Cole is also a townie makes no sense. Fool has no reason to lie if they're a townie."

I don't follow. I also acknowledged that I'm not good at this game and couldn't even follow my own logic

 

[VashTheStampede]

Local I'm glad you're playing, you're a breath of fresh air in this cursed town.

 

[VashTheStampede]

BUT I'M STILL WATCHING YOU

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

Cole - 5 (Fool's Requiem, TD, VashTheStampede, Ryan!, Kat
Fool's Requiem - 3 (Local Hero, aura seer, canadaguy)
Ants! - 1 (Raposa)
Raposa - 1 (Ants!)

No vote - Benzine, canadaguy, Cole, Holly, Killface!, Warp

Votes to skip (14 required):

Skip - 2 (Raposa, Fool's Requiem)

No vote - aura seer, Ants!, Benzine, canadaguy, Cole, Holly, Kat, Killface!, Warp, TD, VashTheStampede, Ryan!, Local Hero

 

[canadaguy]

BUT I'M STILL WATCHING YOU

Them's some sharp eyes you got there

 

[Kat]

"Local Hero insisting that FR being lynched and a townie implies Cole is also a townie makes no sense. Fool has no reason to lie if they're a townie."

I don't follow. I also acknowledged that I'm not good at this game and couldn't even follow my own logic

If Fool is a townie, then it's likely true that Cole is a wolf. Cole would be an excellent target for aura seer night one, especially because shaman can't do their thing yet. There's no benefit in setting up Cole unless Fool is evil.

I feel like you're playing up this "I have no idea how to play" thing. I don't buy it.

 

[canadaguy]

If Fool is a townie, then it's likely true that Cole is a wolf. Cole would be an excellent target for aura seer night one, especially because shaman can't do their thing yet. There's no benefit in setting up Cole unless Fool is evil.

I feel like you're playing up this "I have no idea how to play" thing. I don't buy it.

Nah Local is kind of an idiot at these things

 

[Ryan!]

Ah good, I hadn't fully read the Shaman abilities. It can't be used Night 0.

Therefore there is no Shaman effect happening.

Cole is evil. And you need to do the right thing and lynch him. If you don't believe me, then lynch me now, reveal me, and get the both of them the next day phases. This is how you play to win.

 

[Local Hero]

If Fool is a townie, then it's likely true that Cole is a wolf. Cole would be an excellent target for aura seer night one, especially because shaman can't do their thing yet. There's no benefit in setting up Cole unless Fool is evil.

I feel like you're playing up this "I have no idea how to play" thing. I don't buy it.

It's more of an admission to bad logic than a complete misunderstanding of how to play.

I mainly did not like Fool's approach. Especially his, "lynch me next if Cole's not a wolf" statement.

 

[Benzine]

The chess bit convinced me. I'm easily convinced nowadays.

I vote for Cole too.

 

[canadaguy]

@Zell 17 wondering if Flower Child/Guardian Wolf can protect themself?

 

[TD]

Because they have a Confusion Wolf. They can kill and hide a role. They just did it to shortkut, maybe rest in peace.

I am a chess player. I believe that sometimes, strong pieces need to be sacrificed to damage their structure to set up mate easier. I may be a strong piece, but I am willing to die to win this game. I do not want them casting doubt on my claims. We lose one piece. They lose two. Possibly three. They are down powerful pieces, and we have more bishops at play. If you lynch me now, you see I'm telling the truth. You get Cole and FR in the next day phases before they kill again. They save me from a lynch using the Guardian Wolf power, they waste it. They Nightmare me tonight to cast doubt on me tomorrow, they waste a use.

I've given you a game plan. You can either trust me now and follow it, or you can have their pawn take the bishop to let your rook and queen mate them. The choice is yours.

If you are who you say you are - you're not a piece worth sacrificing this early when there's now 5 wolves instead of 4. We need facts to be able to narrow this down.

We lynch you, we lose you. Then who knows what happens with the wolves? Do they have a berserk? There's lots of people claiming seer right now, they're protection targets which is a prime target. They have one more night to confuse us, we aren't going to be able to confirm the identity of anyone who dies. We'll only know if they're not a wolf if they happen to be killed.

When you throw in the solo killer who is lurking around too, the town could be down 3 people plus you during the day. That leaves 11 players remaining.

Let's just say hypothetically the solo killer also hits town members. That leaves us with 5 town members, 5 wolves, and the solo killer. All while the town has received confirmation on nobody but you.

Your strategy would be interesting for an avenger, but we should not be aiming to kill a townie to prove they are a townie.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Can confirm Flower Child can

 

[Local Hero]

Which is also a large reason why I'm limping Ryan in there, because he's making similar "Lynch me to prove I'm innocent" statements.

Even further, both are claiming Aura Seer roles, while I 100% believe Eric and I are truthful in our Aura Seer roles, with separately (somehow) identifying Canadaguy as Aura Unknown.

Too suspicious, Fool and Ryan are wolves.

No opinion on Cole at the moment

 

[Local Hero]

The chess bit convinced me. I'm easily convinced nowadays.

I vote for Cole too.

You're playing chess while we're all playing checkers.

 

[canadaguy]

Can confirm Flower Child can

K, so I will assume Guardian as well since they are pretty much the wolf equivalent.

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 wondering if Flower Child/Guardian Wolf can protect themself?

Yes

 

[A Punched Face]

There's too many posts with "aura seer" in it and I don't like it. Makes me need to read everything twice just to make sure the person didn't accidentally not tag me in it.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

Cole - 6 (Fool's Requiem, TD, VashTheStampede, Ryan!, Kat, Benzine)
Fool's Requiem - 3 (Local Hero, aura seer, canadaguy)
Ants! - 1 (Raposa)
Raposa - 1 (Ants!)

No vote - canadaguy, Cole, Holly, Killface!, Warp

Votes to skip (14 required):

Skip - 4 (Raposa, Fool's Requiem, Benzine, Kat)

No vote - aura seer, Ants!, canadaguy, Cole, Holly, Killface!, Warp, TD, VashTheStampede, Ryan!, Local Hero

 

[Cole]

Only I and Eric (non-Canadian) are confirmed telling the truth with both targeting Canadaguy as Aura Seers and getting the same result.

except there's no reason to believe YOU are telling the truth.

Cole relentlessly making fun of Folks Requiem and discrediting them while also saying they're so lousy at the game we shouldn't even bother lynching is sus AF. Also his whole "I can't possibly give any analysis this early, there's not though info, even I'm not that good!!" There's plenty of info and a townie Cole would jump all over it.

a: fools is horrible at this game. fact. b: there is not nearly enough information to do a full writeup, it's not even 12 hours in. townie OR wolf Cole would never bother this early, that's ridiculous.

Ah good, I hadn't fully read the Shaman abilities. It can't be used Night 0.

Therefore there is no Shaman effect happening.

Cole is evil. And you need to do the right thing and lynch him. If you don't believe me, then lynch me now, reveal me, and get the both of them the next day phases. This is how you play to win.

more bold unverifiable statements.

The chess bit convinced me. I'm easily convinced nowadays.

I vote for Cole too.

that's fine.

you guys still haven't figured out the meta. Zell spelled it out for you, I spelled it out for you, and still you guys choose to just trust whoever is claiming aura seer.

I'll save myself from the lynch regardless, you guys can waste more aura checks on me (thankfully we have 7 of them), and we can do this all over again tomorrow.

why people are still under the assumption that role claiming IS guaranteed to be truthful when Ryan used it so expertly in the first game is beyond me.

but okie dokie.

I'll be sure to write up that analysis post before the end of this day phase so that when I wake up having been erroneously attacked by a townie again, you'll have some information to go on.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Especially his, "lynch me next if Cole's not a wolf" statement.

Hey, man, I'm not so great at this, okay. I don't have a lot of games under my belt here. I'm still trying to figure out what works and what doesn't.

Cole is still 100% wolf, though.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

You're playing chess while we're all playing checkers.

I thought we were playing Connect 4...

 

[A Punched Face]

I think I've followed along well to this point:

Most people seem to agree that some subset of the wolves include at least one of the following: Cole, FR, and Ryan.

We have no idea what role Kut had and likely won't be able to find that out until the end of the game.

The wolves get 1 kill tonight (if no berserk and not protected).
The RK gets at least 1 kill tonight (maybe 2, depending on the role...maybe 0 if they're a freaking weirdo).

So if we choose wrong between the suspects, we could be down up to 5 townie roles by day 2?

 

[Local Hero]

I agree that, typically, there's no reason to believe me as being truthful, especially with so many seer claims.

But @aura seer apparently made some coded messagedirected at Canadaguy about being a seer and identifying him, then later I made the same claim.

Perhaps not guaranteed from the outside perspective, but it's enough for me to believe that I and Eric are Seers.

 

[Local Hero]

I think I've followed along well to this point:

Most people seem to agree that some subset of the wolves include at least one of the following: Cole, FR, and Ryan.

We have no idea what role Kut had and likely won't be able to find that out until the end of the game.

The wolves get 1 kill tonight (if no berserk and not protected).
The RK gets at least 1 kill tonight (maybe 2, depending on the role...maybe 0 if they're a freaking weirdo).

So if we choose wrong between the suspects, we could be down up to 5 townie roles by day 2?

What's the situation if we all vote to skip day one?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

What's the situation if we all vote to skip day one?

Do you mean abstain or skipping?

Skipping means that if the required number of players vote to skip, the day phase ends and we go into nights.

Abstaining just means you choose not to vote.

 

[Ryan!]

except there's no reason to believe YOU are telling the truth.

a: fools is horrible at this game. fact. b: there is not nearly enough information to do a full writeup, it's not even 12 hours in. townie OR wolf Cole would never bother this early, that's ridiculous.

more bold unverifiable statements.

that's fine.

you guys still haven't figured out the meta. Zell spelled it out for you, I spelled it out for you, and still you guys choose to just trust whoever is claiming aura seer.

I'll save myself from the lynch regardless, you guys can waste more aura checks on me (thankfully we have 7 of them), and we can do this all over again tomorrow.

why people are still under the assumption that role claiming IS guaranteed to be truthful when Ryan used it so expertly in the first game is beyond me.

but okie dokie.

I'll be sure to write up that analysis post before the end of this day phase so that when I wake up having been erroneously attacked by a townie again, you'll have some information to go on.

It will be verified when we lynch either you or myself. I die tomorrow, we still know who to go after, and I have more info for the Dead Thread.

Sometimes the sacrifice play works early. I'm the one willing to make the play on myself to win. I'm not going to put another townie at risk. I'm going to put myself at risk. I read you. You're evil. If there's a Shaman, his ability wouldn't work Night 0 per the rules, as he has to tag someone during the day phase. Which means you are everything I've said.

If you think they have a Berserk, don't risk the protection on me. Use it on someone else. Do not protect FR.

Oh and Vash, maybe pay canadaguy or FR a visit tonight.