Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version VI Night 2 / Day 2

[VashTheStampede]

Noted!

 

[Tubby23]

Noted!

 

[Tubby23]

I'll be voting for who I most think is a wolf and if Jawneh is revealed as a townie I can be happy going into the night phase that I didn't kill him

 

[Ants!]

I'm about to go to bed in the next 20 mins or so but I'm not comfortable enough with the reasons to vote for Jawneh. I agree with Benzine that LH seems a far more likely wolf candidate and I think until I have more certainty that Jawneh isn't a good guy then I will vote accordingly.

There are no good guy roles left.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Shit I'm all out of good guy roles

Is Pepsi okay?

 

[Tubby23]

There are no good guy roles left.

I know. I don't believe all the claims.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I know. I don't believe all the claims.

And yet no one has come forward saying "wait a second that's MY role" except Jawneh trying it once and then confessing it was a lie

 

[Fool's Requiem]

who am I voting for again? Jawneh or Local?

 

[canadaguy]

who am I voting for again? Jawneh or Local?

Seems Jawneh is the vote and throw your rock at local

 

[Tubby23]

And yet no one has come forward saying "wait a second that's MY role" except Jawneh trying it once and then confessing it was a lie

Judge not lest ye be judged

 

[Jawneh]

And yet no one has come forward saying "wait a second that's MY role" except Jawneh trying it once and then confessing it was a lie

But you know how neat it would've been if Kelly wasn't dead, I'd gotten the a-ok, and at that point Ben would... still be all confused by all my shit, but seeing I was cleared of all bad things, he would bro up and go with my nonsense!

 

[Ants!]

Wouldn't be the first time!

That’s why you have a kid! (Ba-dum-tss)

I know. I don't believe all the claims.

What Vash said. There’s been NO refutation, we have four people suspiciously silent, even though they made appearances or clicked on reacts. You’re being frustratingly obtuse right now. Thank goodness the shadow wolf is down two votes from yesterday so we can afford to lose yours.

Maybe just abstain so you don’t accidentally add your vote to the 6 that the wolves are getting.

 

[Ants!]

Seems Jawneh is the vote and throw your rock at local

This good plan.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

how sure are we about local?

 

[Tubby23]

That’s why you have a kid! (Ba-dum-tss)

What Vash said. There’s been NO refutation, we have four people suspiciously silent, even though they made appearances or clicked on reacts. You’re being frustratingly obtuse right now. Thank goodness the shadow wolf is down two votes from yesterday so we can afford to lose yours.

Maybe just abstain so you don’t accidentally add your vote to the 6 that the wolves are getting.

No refutation does not equal a guarantee when there is an instigated townie trying to hide from us all.

All I'm saying is I am coming at all unproven role claims far more sceptically it would seem, but I like Benzine have a very Wolfy odour coming in my direction from LH. Perhaps I should prescribe him an anti-fungal. Or better yet I will vote with what my guy tells me is right.

We only have a few roles actually proven, and unless others are proven I will be sceptical of them based on the instigation in effect

 

[VashTheStampede]

Why would an instigated townie hide their role?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Why would an instigated townie hide their role?

there is absolutely no reason to hide it outside of being killed by the wolves if you have a strong role.

 

[Tubby23]

So that if something questionable happened they had plausible deniability

 

[Ben]

Why would an instigated townie hide their role?

This. The best way they'll hide is by being incredibly useful and valuable so that we won't want to get rid of them.

P.S. I just realized that the role of Instigator sounds fitting for a Florida man...

 

[VashTheStampede]

This. The best way they'll hide is by being incredibly useful and valuable so that we won't want to get rid of them.

P.S. I just realized that the role of Instigator sounds fitting for a Florida man...

Missed opportunity there.

But when we kill the instigator, if I'm already dead and you aren't, PLEASE SAY "Later, instigator."

Let that be my legacy.

 

[Local Hero]

suspiciously silent

Suspiciously at work!

 

[Ants!]

No refutation does not equal a guarantee when there is an instigated townie trying to hide from us all.

All I'm saying is I am coming at all unproven role claims far more sceptically it would seem, but I like Benzine have a very Wolfy odour coming in my direction from LH. Perhaps I should prescribe him an anti-fungal. Or better yet I will vote with what my guy tells me is right.

We only have a few roles actually proven, and unless others are proven I will be sceptical of them based on the instigation in effect

Guarantee? You want to talk about guarantees? Okay, here’s a guarantee: abstaining is not possible this round thanks to the shadow wolf. It’s like Vash said: our choice is we maybe kill a townie, or let the wolves DEFINITELY kill a townie.

 

[Ants!]

Suspiciously at work!

Saying “my role is ________” would have taken the same amount of effort as this post, Lupine Hero.

 

[Local Hero]

I thought day one that perhaps Fool or Vash were instigator or instigated. Maybe Jawneh?

Vash has the perfect defense offering up a wolf if he's working on a solo team.

 

[Ben]

Missed opportunity there.

But when we kill the instigator, if I'm already dead and you aren't, PLEASE SAY "Later, instigator."

Let that be my legacy.

I'm also equally amused by the idea of an Antstigator.

 

[Local Hero]

@Ants!, I'm in meetings but I will drop it all soon.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Local Hero]

Okay guys.

I am the Spirit Seer.

I picked 3 and 6 night 1, coincidentally Ants! and shortkut, both blue.

Night 2 I picked canadaguy and Vash, both blue.

I didn't come forward day 1 because I didn't see red, and wanted to save it. I've said before that until a seer offers up a wolf, they can't be trusted.

Vash is not a the spirit seer. I thought he was the wolf seer, as I hinted at day 1, but I realize now he's the instigator. As part of the instigator team, he has complete knowledge of who the wolves are and the innocent townies. He didn't pick 1 and 16, he just knew (via the instigated wolf) that he needed Raine dead as the berserker wolf. Now that one wolf is down he needs to get a townie out of the way which is why he claims he only saw blue. If I were a wolf and he's most suspicious of me, he would have targeted me, but he didn't. He's claiming that he didn't seer me, "oopsie doopsie, local's a wolf anyway let's do lynch him". Bam, townie dead.

The fact that there's a second shadow wolf means they wolves just need to burn through the second shadow so they can communicate again, and also guarantee a townie lynch.

That's it. That's all I will say.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I applaud the attempt, Local. Nice job, man.

 

[Local Hero]

Thank you, Mr. Gater

 

[Local Hero]

 

[VashTheStampede]

I am very relieved to see my accusations towards you had merit.

 

[Local Hero]

What better way to earn the town's trust than immediately offer up a wolf.

Any other game that would be air tight. But with the instigator, you need to get a wolf out of the way, while also keeping the instigated wolf and townie from getting lynched.

You HAD to come in strong and drive the narrative.

Love you

 

[Local Hero]

It's actually a brilliant play. You cleared yourself of any suspicion, and the real spirit seer has to compete with someone who offered up a wolf.

 

[Local Hero]

@Fool's Requiem I would throw a rock at someone that's closely aligned with Vash, maybe someone he's cleared as being blue.

@Ants!, Vote Vash

Townies, vote Vash

 

[VashTheStampede]

There's one problem with that theory, Local.

I'm not that good.

I gave my (admittedly insane) reasoning for choosing 1 and 16 on the first night. You've given...well, NO reasoning for just HAPPENING to choose the fated couple of Ants and kut.

But let me give just a little more insight as to why I revealed as quickly as I did:

Zell has REPEATEDLY said between games that the best chance for the wolves was to get out there and role claim immediately. When I was given a townie role I figured I would do what I could to prevent that strategy by being open and honest as quickly as possible. We have seen time and again that when all roles are put on the table, the baddies are done. By the time the music stops, the wolves have no chairs to claim. And now here you are, awkwardly standing with no tunes in the air.

And now your following posts are starting to reek of desperation. I totally get it, the game was sliding away from you from the moment I first posted.

 

[Local Hero]

Any other game, 100%. The instigator changes it.

 

[Benzine]

Okay guys.

I am the Spirit Seer.

I picked 3 and 6 night 1, coincidentally Ants! and shortkut, both blue.

Night 2 I picked canadaguy and Vash, both blue.

I didn't come forward day 1 because I didn't see red, and wanted to save it. I've said before that until a seer offers up a wolf, they can't be trusted.

Vash is not a the spirit seer. I thought he was the wolf seer, as I hinted at day 1, but I realize now he's the instigator. As part of the instigator team, he has complete knowledge of who the wolves are and the innocent townies. He didn't pick 1 and 16, he just knew (via the instigated wolf) that he needed Raine dead as the berserker wolf. Now that one wolf is down he needs to get a townie out of the way which is why he claims he only saw blue. If I were a wolf and he's most suspicious of me, he would have targeted me, but he didn't. He's claiming that he didn't seer me, "oopsie doopsie, local's a wolf anyway let's do lynch him". Bam, townie dead.

The fact that there's a second shadow wolf means they wolves just need to burn through the second shadow so they can communicate again, and also guarantee a townie lynch.

That's it. That's all I will say.

I will investigate local tonight and that will sort this idea out. Very late to be going like this.

What if the flagger is on the instigator team and doesn’t protect me? That would be really bad. I think doctor tubby is the good role orientated instigator friend.

@Ants! i assume you won’t listen to local, we still need to vote together to beat potentially 9 votes! The instigator and friends won’t be aligning themselves with the town this time. We have 7 in our side for this vote with you having two extra votes to tie it at nine @Holly you are probably required to attempt a kill here as the vote will split.

@Tubby23 with the above knowledge plain to everyone and your insistence not to vote with the town, for what can only be called a made up reason of maybe killing an innocent (are you pretending this game is real life and don’t want to kill someone?). It’s maddening to see you not want to support the towns team and give free kills to the wolves? If you hadn’t been making many mistakes in previous games I’d say without doubt you are the instigators partner.

Flagger, in the hope you are good, I think you have some juicy targets.

I think I’m getting lynched here if the town don’t all vote in unison for jawneh. Keep it simple (stupid).

 

[Benzine]

Vash you are that good, have some faith, it’s not a crazy strategy if you have done that. I believe in you.

 

[Jawneh]

Zell has REPEATEDLY said between games that the best chance for the wolves was to get out there and role claim immediately. When I was given a townie role I figured I would do what I could to prevent that strategy by being open and honest as quickly as possible. We have seen time and again that when all roles are put on the table, the baddies are done. By the time the music stops, the wolves have no chairs to claim.

I mean, the same goes for you too. Whereas I'm not sold on LH role claim and that contradicting yours, but assuming he is a wolf, he'd also have a clear reason to get you: the wolves need the instigator team dead as well.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I mean, the same goes for you too. Whereas I'm not sold on LH role claim and that contradicting yours, but assuming he is a wolf, he'd also have a clear reason to get you: the wolves need the instigator team dead as well.

Yeah, if you ignore everything else, that one little piece does make sense.

 

[Ben]

 

[Jawneh]

I think I’m getting lynched here if the town don’t all vote in unison for jawneh

So why not go with some semblance of my idea? Get my weird ass cleared and a lot of this confusion goes away. Local is still mighty fried and grasping now so he would be on the chopping block tomorrow barring clear and conclusive seer info. At worst, you'll get me tomorrow if I'm lying about lying about being a weirdo. But at best, we can get wolf and not lose a townie.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I am 100% okay with lynching Local at this point. I would totally switch my vote IF we had enough other people willing to do it.

Might be tough to pull off this late though, and I suggest NO ONE change their vote until we know we have a quorum.

 

[Benzine]

So why not go with some semblance of my idea? Get my weird ass cleared and a lot of this confusion goes away. Local is still mighty fried and grasping now so he would be on the chopping block tomorrow barring clear and conclusive seer info. At worst, you'll get me tomorrow if I'm lying about lying about being a weirdo. But at best, we can get wolf and not lose a townie.

You’re not even slightly being helpful or giving me a reason to want to do that though? And we get the same info by killing you? Help me help you.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Zell 17 I need to ask two really dumb questions with likely obvious answers: Are there any roles the Instigator cannot instigate? Are instigated players able to use their abilities after the first night?

 

[Jawneh]

You’re not even slightly being helpful or giving me a reason to want to do that though? And we get the same info by killing you? Help me help you.

After the farmer nonsense I did say I'm the judge. Push comes to shove, especially if it's a tied lynch, vash will be gone. And if vash is good then I die. That is in a tie vote which is my last saving grace.

 

[Jawneh]

As for Holly's claim, it was big and grandiose from the beginning. And just like in vash's mafia game, you forget what the numbers mean and you get a free pass for the whole game. Why not a new role and how that operates as well?

 

[Tommy Boy]

As for Holly's claim, it was big and grandiose from the beginning. And just like in vash's mafia game, you forget what the numbers mean and you get a free pass for the whole game. Why not a new role and how that operates as well?

yeah I gotta say, no role claims have really been questioned until the last one or two